Rudey I'm not saying that Israel shouldn't have responded, I'm saying that the response has been more than a little over the top...

I guess I must have missed something, because I thought this was supposed to be a response directed against Hizbullah, not Lebanon in general... because it wasn't the Lebanese military that kidnapped the soliders.

Oh and as for you example, please look into "Fenian Raids"...

Hezbollah is deeply infiltrated into all aspect of Lebanese govt and society. Its basically what we did with Afghanistan. If you can't keep a hold on your country, then we'll help you with that.

Hezbollah is the strongest piece of the Lebanese government. Hezbollah votes. Hezbollah controls the entire South.

To me it's not over the top. On top of that Hezbollah has fired hundreds of rockets into Israel. Yes there weren't as many casualties, but not for trying. Hezbollah has attacked deep into Israel, not even along the border anymore. And Hezbollah has not returned the people it kidnapped. Obviously the Lebanese who support Hezbollah, the government which Hezbollah is a part of, have decided it's not over the top since they didn't stop doing what they're doing.

So until the rockets stop and until the Israelis are returned, nothing is over the top. I said it before and I'll say it again. Israel should kill 100 men within its prisons every hour until the hostages are returned.

I googled the Fenian raids. It sounds like a bunch of crazy Irish people that attacked Canada. And the US stopped most of them from attacking and then went and caught the rest and hung them. I don't really see the similarity but it doesn't sound like a bad deal for Canada.

-Rudey

What about Gaza?
 

Is the Isreali army using new chemical weapons in Gaza?

http://www.pnn.ps/english/archive200...06/report5.htm

Director of Public Relations at Gaza City’s Al Shifa Hospital, Dr. Juma Al Sakka, confirmed the Palestinian Ministry of Health’s report from earlier this week which stated that Israeli forces are using toxic weapons in the Gaza Strip.

The doctor spoke on Thursday, giving the death count at 85 Palestinians in the Strip since the latest Israeli attack began. Among the dead are 34 children under the age of 13. And as of Thursday afternoon, 300 Palestinians are injured.

Dr. Al Sakka told Voice of Palestine Radio that the Israeli army is using new types of non-conventional weapons against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip during the recent attacks. He said, “They are targeting the Palestinian body with unconventional weapons and with that comes a phenomena we have not seen before in any Israeli bombardment we have lived through for many years.”

He continued, “The hospital is central and sees almost all cases of injuries and deaths as a result of Israeli against the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip. These Israeli bombings are entering the body and fragmenting, causing internal combustion leading to up to fourth degree internal burns, exposing the bone, and affecting the tissue and skin.”

The doctor added, “These tissues die, they do not survive, which obliges us to perform arm or leg amputations, and there are fragments which penetrate the body and do not show up on X-rays. When entering the body they spark like a combustion firearm, but not chemically. They seem radioactive.”

He confirmed that there were dozens of wounded legs and arms. Many of them had been burned from the inside, and distorted to the point that they cannot return to life again.

Yesterday, Wednesday, was one of the most bloody of all in the recent attacks. Israeli forces killed 25 Palestinians. Dr. Al Sakka said, “It is escalating day after day. Yesterday alone Israeli forces killed 25 and injured dozens. Among them so many were children.”

Dr. Al Sakka revealed that the Israelis completely destroyed by the lab which would help in diagnosing such cases. “We no longer have the ability to make these examinations on phenomena that we see is not normal.”

He called on the international community to examine the latest weapons however the doctor reported that “no one has lifted a finger.” Dr. Al Sakka complained that he did not see any foreign medical institution interested in the use of new weapons and their affects on the human body. He said, “What we found were journalists who came to take pictures, but as for the medical community, nothing.”

An attack on civilians?
 

This is an article from June 29th, 2006

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006...srlpa13662.htm

(Beirut, June 29, 2006) – Israel's destruction of Gaza’s only electrical plant needlessly punishes the civilian population and has created the potential for a serious humanitarian crisis, Human Rights Watch said today. Human Rights Watch also said that Palestinian militant groups are committing a war crime by using a captured Israeli soldier as a hostage to seek the release of Palestinians imprisoned by Israel.

" Militants are using Corporal Gilad Shalit as a hostage to bargain for the release of Palestinians in Israeli custody, and that’s a war crime. But Israel must minimize the harm to Gaza’s civilian population during any military operation to rescue the corporal, and that includes not destroying vital power plants.

On Sunday, Palestinian militants attacked an Israeli military post on the border with Gaza, killing two Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers and capturing Shalit. Three Palestinian militant groups – the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigade, the military wing of the ruling Hamas party; the Popular Resistance Committees; and the little-known Army of Islam – took responsibility for the attack and the abduction on Monday, and demanded the release of all Palestinian women and children held in Israeli jails in return for information about Shalit. The Popular Resistance Committees also claimed responsibility for killing Eliahu Asheri, an 18-year-old Jewish settler kidnapped in the West Bank, apparently in response to Israel’s current military action.

A hostage is a person held in the power of an adversary in order to obtain specific actions, such as the release of prisoners, from the other party to the conflict. International law prohibits the taking of hostages, which is a war crime under the laws of war. The summary execution of anyone held captive, such as Asheri, is also a war crime. Human Rights Watch calls on the Palestinian Authority to do all it can to ensure that Shalit and any other captured Israelis are treated in accordance with the laws of war, and urges militant groups to stop using Israelis as bargaining chips.

Human Rights Watch also expressed concern about the intentional and frequent use of sonic booms by Israeli military aircraft over Gaza, which has caused great fear among the civilian population, particularly among children. Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits “measures of intimidation” against the civilian population. As there appears to be no military justification for the use of the sonic booms, other than the prohibited practice of intimidation, Human Rights Watch urges Israel to immediately halt the practice.

Israel’s Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced that Israel is willing to take “extreme measures” to rescue the corporal. On June 28, Israel began offensive military operations into Gaza. Among the first Israeli targets was the only electrical power station in the Gaza strip, which was hit by multiple missiles and reportedly destroyed. The station provides power to the majority of the Gaza Strip, and is responsible for powering the water pumps and other systems essential to the survival of Gaza’s civilian population. The destruction of the power station could quickly cause a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, as electricity is essential to power the water system, sewage treatment, and medical services.

The laws of war prohibit attacks on “objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population.” Israel’s attack on Gaza’s only power plant is in violation of its obligation to safeguard such objects from attack. Even though Israel unilaterally withdrew its troops and settlements from Gaza in 2005, it continues to have obligations as an occupying power in Gaza because of its almost complete control over Gaza’s borders, sea and air space, tax revenue, utilities, and the internal economy of Gaza. At a minimum, Israel continues to be responsible for the basic welfare of the Palestinian population in Gaza, in particular the health, educational, and humanitarian needs of the population to the extent these are affected by the restrictions imposed on Gaza by Israel. Olmert reportedly threatened to block the entry of fuel and food to Gaza if Shalit is not released, which would violate these obligations.

Human Rights Watch urges Israel to take all possible precautions to limit the impact of its military campaign in Gaza on the civilian population. In particular, the laws of war require Israel to ensure that the impact of its military actions on the civilian population is not disproportionate to the military objectives it seeks to achieve, and that it does not target objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population.

riiiiiight.... with the scrutiny that Israel's assault is under, and the many news groups out there - only the Palestinian News Network manages to scoop this story? :rolleyes:

Anyways as to this alleged "weapon" being used - I also call BS on it. Sorry but the only thing capable of causing burns from the "inside out" and "distorting tissue" would be something along the lines of a microwave or high burst radiation (to have an immediate effect)... and last I checked microwaves don't come in bomb form, and high intensity/burst radiation would immediately show on an x-ray...

For shame _Opi_ to fall for such amatuerish and sloppy propaganda obviously aimed at the already convinced...


Anyways on to your other article - while they cite the Geneva Convention which follows:
They also fail to point out that it is specific in it's application of when this applies; ie. against an occupied civilian population, or attacks specifically directed at terror or intimidation with no strategic/tactical military application... and so far Israel hasn't violated this as far as I can see from news sources.

If they are refering to the broader application under against the collective punishment of enemy civilian populations in times of conflict under 3rd Protocol (1977) then it doesn't matter as none of the combatants (or even possible combatants in the Middle East) have signed onto that protocol.... in fact very few countries have (ie. the UK and US haven't)

Yes, and while this may be true, temperance should be used.

Now that I have said that, who is not to be harmed in an armed conflict and who should be immune? Who helps the attackers and who doesnt?

There is little work that a Bomb doesnt do to The Bad Guys that it doesnt do to the innocent. Then the innocent are presented as being persecuted only.:(

So, then let them who do not point out the bad guys be implicated too? Hasnt that been the way of military incursions?

All one has to do is look at Iraq. Who is getting killed at a greater rate?

They are afraid to point out the baddies, they are afraid of getting killed. Well, what is happening there now?:(

What you said may very well be the truth, as I have no weapon knowledge background. However, as you will notice from my post, I posed a question. I did not say anything about its validity. I saw the article and passed it on. However, I do wonder if there is validity to it.

As for propoganda, there's many propoganda being perpetrated from both sides :-) We always get reports from the Israel news media here, don't we not?

As to the application of the Geneva convention to this conflict, are you saying because they have a "strategic military planning", that it justifies what their doing in Lebanon/Gaza? You don't think their terrorizing or punishing the civilians , rather than Hizbullah?

No it isn't a "May..be the truth". It is the truth.

You posted a BS article so you believe in the validity and are aiding in spreading lies. There is ZERO validity to that.

What "propoganda" is being spread from both sides? I'd love to know what the Israelis propoganda is.

Again Opi let me break it down for you.

Gaza:
1) Israel is not in the area because of a pussy, and the Israelis get attacked without justification.
2) Israel elects a pussy peace government and the Palestinians choose a terrorist government.
3) Israel is attacked daily by rockets and has its citizens kidnapped.
4) Palestinians gave the terrorists power and keep them in power.
5) At any point the Gazans can stop firing rockets and release the soldier.
6) The Gazans are determining that they are fine with the consequences.
7) It is Syria and Iran that pushed to make sure that Hamas didn't return the soldier.

Lebanon:
1) Hezbollah is a part of the government.
2) Hezbollah controls the entire Southern border of Lebanon.
3) No Lebanese national troops were moved into the South.
4) Hezbollah, a part of the government, attacked Israel. Hence Lebanon started a war.
5) It is Iran and Syria that provide support to Hezbollah.
6) Given that you know nothing about the civil war, I'm sure you don't know that the Southern Beirut neighborhoods are Hezbollah members and supporters.
7) Israel did not indiscriminately attack civilians. The Lebanese did.
8) Israel destroyed an airport, a main highway, Hezbollah buildings, and blocked all the sea ports so that they can't move the kidnapped Israeli into Iran.
9) At any point Hezbollah can move away from the South, Lebanon can put national troops there, and the Israeli soldiers can be returned.
10) There is no justification to Hezbollah or Lebanon doing this. ISRAEL HAS NO OCCUPYING FORCES IN LEBANON AS CERTIFIED BY THE UNITED NATIONS.
11) Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, and many gulf states BLAME LEBANON AND HEZBOLLAH AS WELL AS IRAN AND SYRIA.

So tell us what the propoganda is. I would love to know what it is. Instead of reading Arab news that is fully fabricated, read something with a bit more truth to it.

-Rudey

"These acts will pull the whole region back to years ago, and we cannot simply accept them," Saudi al-Faisal told his counterparts.

Supporting his stance were representatives of Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, delegates said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.

-Rudey
--But I'm sure France and Opi are fine with Hezbollah and Lebanon attacking Israel because they read fabricated news articles

Amazing how little people know of that region isnt it?

The many Arab Countries have Pledged to have Isreal eradicated from the Region. They may not profess this now, but they did for years.

They ahd better figure out a way to live in peace with each other NO DAMN matter what single God They each beleive in!

Hell, The Arabs cant even get along!

Just Check Iraq!:mad:

Only word I can use is MORONs! Let Me Add, STFing Morons!:mad: :(

Don't get your panties in a bunch, Rudey. I know how passionate you can get about these topics.

Let me make myself clear, I read articles from many sources keeping in mind that both medias from either side has their own interests/agenda.

As for "reading fabricated news articles", are you talking about the one about the doctor speculating if Israel is using new weaponry? This isn't so far-fetched, and it's definately not the first time Israel has used chemical weapons in Gaza. You can google that if you wish.

Yes, I concede with France and Russia on the single issue of EXCESSIVE RESPONSE to a kidnapping of three soldiers. Does that make me pro-france and Hezbollah? What kind of logic is that. lol

You gotta be joking.

Again, I ask you to show me this Israeli propoganda you talk about that's in the main news. You don't have any but claim there is some.

You read fake news. It's that simple. It doesn't make you more educated but ignorant. Just like the people that think Elvis is alive and there are aliens and read websites on those topics with fabricated research, you do the same.

And if you want to post something, post it but don't tell me to google anything. So far I've broken everything down for you very simply and you can't respond to those things (law school should prepare you for that no?).

-Rudey
--Pro-France and Pro-Hezbollah? Wow someone has trouble with basic comprehension.

Hmmm... it seems to be ratcheting up still without much being done to mitigate the violence...

Personally I'm worried about the hardening of the Israeli public opinion towards peace and the increasing acceptance of force as the first response. What is also very worrisome is the increasing chance that the Lebanese government will fall and Hezbollah will sieze power.

In other news it has been reported that 5 Canadians were killed in todays air strikes on Lebanon :( ... and of course our asshat Conservative government is out of touch with reality when it comes to helping citizens ~ Peter Mckay telling them to check the "website" for info on how to get out of Lebanon - he might be forgetting that internet access isn't really all that easy to get at in a warzone... perhaps they should actually get about doing something that parroting Bush's policies and statements.

Rob the Lebanese military provided precise info on an Israeli ship to Hezbollah in their attack. Hezbollah has a large number of seats in the Parliament and has the power of patrolling the South. The government is 98% Hezbollah, 1% Syria, 1% Iran. If it crumbled what would change?

-Rudey

Gee I'm shocked that the Lebanese military provided info to help attack an Israeli ship :rolleyes: I'd being doing all I could to help strike back at someone bombing me... it's human nature to want to strike back at someone hitting you.

It's pretty clear that Lebanon started a war with Israel.

They hit Israel.

Israel hit back.

So let's not pretend that the Lebanese government had nothing to do with starting or continuing a war with Israel or pretend that its dissolution would change anything.

-Rudey

No... it's pretty clear that Hezbollah started this particular conflict.

Hezbollah attacks and kills Israeli soldiers, and kidnaps 2.

Israel retaliates against Lebanon as a whole.

Unlike you I'm more than capable of looking beyond the simplistic black and white, and see that the Lebanese government wouldn't have been involved - simply because it would further risk their already tenuous position, it would further risk giving Hezbollah more public/political power, and finally because the government subsits from grafts on the newly booming tourist business I can't see them willing to risk that lucrative skimming.

Now as for the Israeli demands... well they are pretty f*cking ludicrous right now - demanding that Lebanon disarm Hezbollah... how they hell is the Lebanese government and military supposed to disarm them in the middle of a warzone? Face it the hawks were looking for an excuse to flex some military muscle and they leaped on this as an excuse to bombard Lebanon once again...

Hezbollah occupies 23 seats in the Parliament. It has not surrendered a single one since the war began. The 1990 Taif Agreement gave Hezbollah the state sanctioned right to police Lebanon's southern border with Israel. This agreement is still in effect despite a 2004 UN resolution demanding that Lebanon dismantle Hezbollah's presence along the border.

Hezbollah is the government. The government is Hezbollah.

Israel attacked weapons stockpiles, bridges, airports, and roads so that they couldn't move Israelis into Iran. It then attacked Hezbollah strongholds like headquarters, tv stations, and residences/neighborhoods of leaders.

Lebanon has attacked Israel pretty hard except hasn't been able to do the same amount of damage.

And yes, Lebanon should move its troops into the South. That was the demand. Otherwise they can continually do this over and over again. If the government is supposedly different from Hezbollah and can't do this, there is no reason why it should exist. It's just a mask.

Return the soldiers and move Hezbollah out of the South. It is a demand that the entire world has asked Lebanon to make.

-Rudey

RUDEY I know that both You and RA COOPER are true on in this Situation to just call it that, But,Hezbollah, seems to have the same mentality and power to do what thay want no matter what.

But one must remember the mentality of these type of people!

They do not care much as Hammas do.:(

But, give credit due if it is true that other Arab Countrys are trying to get this calmed down.

This is going effect all of us no matter what, and now to see what Syria and Iran are going to do?

Tom I agree. I think it's the same in Iraq. The Arabs have been brainwashed for generations now and it's impossible to just fix things with a gunshot or missile every once in a while. If we had nuked Iraq instead of just invading and let Israel woop some ass, then they'd understand.

The only problem with bombing Lebanon is that it's filled with some smoking hot girls. Smoking TOM!

-Rudey

I'm still wondering how Canada is going to get the 40000+ citizens out of Lebanon (Israeli evacuation really isn't an issue)... including some 11000 in the south were communication is extremely difficult, and movement more so...

From the emails I've gotten from friends working on digs in the south things are really bad - landline phones are almost all down, cellphones and radios are being heavily jammed, no fuel to be had as the stations have all been bombed or shelled, in fact their only real method of communication is via a satelite hookup to their laptops... but that'll last only as long as the generator. Their immediate concern beyond their saftey is the food and water situation - which is really tight after having their host's house was destroyed... so far the locals have been generous with some food and water, as well as a gift of some batteries and supplies from a Hezbollah group passing through.

As for the other group of students on the other side of the border, things have gone alot better - the Israeli military was very efficient in getting them out of the immediate area (well to set up a arti-bat) and last I heard the spent the night outside of Hiafa at the Carmelite convet before heading further south to get out of the country.

didn't Lebanon just kick out Syrian overlords and try for a normal country. It really is sad when the majority of a country would rather fight to end another country than work to set up their own.

some levity...
 

Iran's President Ahmadinejad calls President Bush

Ahmadinejad calls Bush and tells him: "President Bush, I called because I had a dream."

"What was the dream about, Ahmadinejad?"

Ahmadinejad: "I dreamt that USA was rebuilt and on the top of each house there was a flag."

Bush: "And what was written on the flag?"

Ahmadinejad: "Allah is big, Allah is great!!!"

Bush: "You know what Ahmadinejad, it's good that you called because I had a dream too. In my dream Teheran was rebuilt and on the top of each building there was a flag too."

Ahmadinejad: "What was written on the flags?"

Bush: "I don't know, I can't read Hebrew!!!!"

A good friend and colleague who does freelance satellite transmission engineering left for Tel Aviv today to work for FOX. It is likely that he will end up in Haifa as well.

They wanted him to go to Beruit. He declined.

He's at least a little smarter than I though.

I'm on Rudey's team for this one, kids. Israel MUST take out Hezbollah, not just for their sake, but for ours as well.
They're a tool for Iran and Syria, and the reason their cannot be a next time for this kind of flare up is that in three or four years they will have weaponry that will not just hit a few buildings in Haifa, it will cause the crater that USED to be Haifa to glow in the dark.
And then it will be Katie bar the freaking door.:eek:

So all of this stuff is really scary. I hope all of the Canadians, Americans, other foreign people to those countries, find a quick safe way to get out of there because they're just blowing each other up it seems :(

Ummm most of them aren't "Foreign" to those countries and are Arabs that also have citizenship in another country.

-Rudey

While I am afraid You are right on this, the two major Countrys who are backing them will forever be a thorn in the side of the whole Middle East!

Unless the Arab Nations put a leash on them, there will always be problems. and one would think that they should not screw with Israel as they have tried and got thier asses kicked!

They are a thorn in our side too. Iran and Syria arm terrorists and send their murderers into Iraq to kill US troops. Also Hezbollah murdered several hundred US Marines in the 1980s.

When this is done, Israel will have finally done what the European and UN pussies never had the balls to do. And while the Israelis are doing that, we Americans are busy beating the European pussies in the Tour De France.

-Rudey

I heard that most arabs are seeing this as shi'ia trying to take control of sunnis' lifestyle and that they viewed it more as sunni vs. Shia than an Arab vs. Rest of World type thing. I hope so, because I couldn't really imagine being just an average Lebanonese or Syrian citizen just sitting back like "wow, my gov.t is a puppet."

I was in Israel last month on a State of Illinois Homeland Security Trade Mission for my company. As a security professional I'll throw in my two cents.

The mission met with high level government officials and business executives. We toured several universities engaged in "security" related research such as The Technion (Israels version of MIT) and Tev Aviv University. We had the opportunity to see behind the scenes security infrastructure at such places as Ben Gurion international airport in Tel Aviv, the worlds "most safest airport". We had a briefing by the airport director who candidly told us that our airport security was a failure. He mentioned many examples but the most telling was profiling. Here of course it's a PC thing and it can't be done. He said it may be the ruin of us because we don't profile. I tend to agree. What does everyone else think?

If there is a safer and more secure country I don't know where it is. It certainly did not feel like a police state, but the security presence was palatable. You had to open all bags at the entrance to every building, public or private for inspection. I noticed in resturaunts people would look under the tables as they sat down. A member of the mission who is Israeli but now lives in Chicago told me they were looking for anything out of the ordinary, like a package or bag that may be an explosive. Oddly enough, I saw virtually no police while in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv or Haifa. When I did see a police car, they always had their light bar flashing, whether there was an emergency or not. I was told that this is standard practice.

When you consider that military service is compulsatory, you basically have a country that is one giant army. If you put a rifle in an old womens hands she would know how to use it. I saw 18 year old girls laying out at the beach with their M16s stuck in the sand next to them. They can't go anywhere with out their rifle. These beautiful 18 year old girls with automatic weapons at the beach...only in Israel:rolleyes:

I think Israel can handle just about anything short of every single arab nation attacking at once. Things are bad right now. Let's hope they don't get worse.

Here's a theory. No basis in known fact on my part.

Maybe the real reason the US isn't demanding a cease fire is that we will support Israel (as our surrogate) in striking Iran (and maybe Syria) under the theme that they are supplying Hezbollah.

We give Israel lots of equipment, and they do our dirty work.

I'm not sure that would be wise, but...

As I said, just a theory.

Probably. I don't really know who to trust if anyone anymore. I used to not beleive in things like Puppet Govts and Conspirary Theories but as I grow older things look shaider and shadier.

Well...

the countries that have said they want a cease fire, haven't done anything to back that up.

For example, none have dedicated peace keeping troops but keep discussing it. Germany said they'd get involved only if Hezbollah invites them in and a bunch of other conditions are met - essentially if those conditions are met there wouldn't be a need for any troops since there wouldn't be a war. The same goes for France and America since they don't want to dedicate troops there. Britain has said it's stretched out as well.

At the same time, the majority of the Arab world is Sunni and against the Iranians and Hezbollah so they want to see Hezbollah weakened. That's why they've condemned Hezbollah and really just played PR games with their own people and the news, but nothing more.

Really it's Russia, Syria, Iran, and Lebanon here against everyone else. Russia supplies weapons to Syria and Iran and those two then supply weapons and money to terrorists in Lebanon.

So what is the point of a ceasefire? Israel has blocked Lebanon off so it's harder to send in weapons, has been attacked by several thousand rockets, destroyed another several thousand rockets, and is letting the world know that status quo is unacceptable. Why would anyone want the cease fire? They have come to accept that same conclusion.

-Rudey

I think that maybe the rest of the world (not mid east) is saying "this is their war, it needs to be fought, let them fight"

I'd be against sending troops there as that would be a tacital error of judgement.

Just wanted to clarify that it is NOT Lebanon itself, but the terrorist group of Hezbollah that is doing the bombing.

Let me clarify some things for you:

Hezbollah occupies 23 seats in the Parliament. It has not surrendered a single one since the war began. Aside from the seats it has, other Lebanese leaders including Lahoud are their supporters.

The 1990 Taif Agreement gave Hezbollah the state sanctioned right to police Lebanon's southern border with Israel. This agreement is still in effect despite a 2004 UN resolution demanding that Lebanon dismantle Hezbollah's presence along the border.

Hezbollah is the government. The government is Hezbollah.

-Rudey

While the world focuses on Lebanon, the Israeli atrocities continue on in Gaza
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5212870.stm

The Israeli army has been accused of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in an operation in northern Gaza.

According to the Israeli human rights group, B'tselem, six civilians including two minors were subjected to the illegal tactic during an incursion into the town of Beit Hanoun last week.

From Israel to Lebanon
 

Not for the faint of heart

http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/