You don't want me to have absolute power to ban whatever I choose? :(

Or did you think I meant that I would ban the word "frat"? What I meant was, I would ban anyone from ever again posting "well, you wouldn't call your country . . . ."

Um... thanks for the uh.. defense, I think... but I do not think that "phrase" means what you think it means. Most guys don't want their uh.. Wang... uh.. filled by anything....

Lol

Lol, no, I agree with you.. and was saying, in response to your thank you
No... Thank YOU MysticCat

I'm just glad to have someone agree with me about the country thing.

I guess before I seize absolute power, I'd better get a little more comfortable with the whole comma thing, huh? Eats, shoots and leaves, anyone? ;)

Great book.

Hey man, Pandas are DANGEROUS!

up as in ^, not as in full of something.

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Here is my issue with the usage of the word frat instead of fraternity. It relates to the amount of respect a certain chapter is being afforded. Some chapters do not want to be associated with the frat mentality, thus the backlash upon usage of the word. In instances such as frat house, or frat party, the frat is an unnecessary adjective being use. Simply say house or party, if you need to be more specific "I'm going to the Beta house" or "I'm going to the SigChi party."

Keep it in your pants.

Of course you can.:) Phi Mu Alpha = Power, Music, Authority.

(Ok, so Phi = F, but I couldn't think of anything good with "F")

That's as bad as Phi Nu Mu ;)

And MysticCat you can have mostly absolute power, I'd like to horde a little for myself... maybe a line-item veto sort of thing.

I know, I thought of that.:p :p

Can you and Drolefille talk to my wife?

Sorry, if you're a King or Sultan, that makes her automatically at least 1 higher rank...Godess maybe???

(Watch what you say here, or we'll tell her :p )

That and atleast for NIC fraternities, I can't speak nor would I want to try to speak for NPHC orgs since I don't belong to one, the word frat has a negative conotation. "Look at those frat boys", "I can't stand that frat brother in our calc class." It's seen as demeaning to alot of use because it is used, in most cases not all, to draw references to the "Animal House" mentallity that alot of use have tried so hard to get away from being associated with. When GDI's, faculty, and just general people use the word frat they assume that all we do is get drunk, take advantage of women, and waste our parents money to graduate with a Comm Degree we'll never use.

It makes her SWoMBO -- She Who Must Be Obeyed.

Foiled again. Oh well.

It cracks me up that people are still answering this thread all seriously - like the same argument hasn't been had 6,857 times.:p ;)

Oh wait, sorry, I'm not supposed to hijack the all important "Frat" discussion. Carry on.:p

At least you get it. My husband's still working on it, but he's getting there.;)

I was just makiong a point that there are more people out there who feel this way. So, in your mind set you'd say that in an election what's the point of more than 3 or 4 people voting, becasue, hey, the argument and opinion has been made a hundred, a thousand, or maybe even a million times, reference the 2000 Presidential Election. So, on the next election day just sit at home or in the office and don't bother voting, making your opinion and argument heard, don't worry because a hundred, a thousand or even a million others will make it known and heard for you, what does one more vioce count right? What does it matter if some of the population of Florida was disenfranchiced, there were others out there making the same statement as they did, right? All that matters is that it was put out there, not that there are many other people who feel this way and want to make it known? The importance of making our opinions and arguements known is so that people know it is not one held by a person or two but to see how many out there hold this ideal. Just because it's been stated once or a million times does not mean it shouldn't be stated again.

I equate the use of the word frat to the way in which the Phi Mu Alpha brothers on this campus hate being called Phi Mu's and I'm sure the Phi Mu sisters on GC would feel the same way if they ever heard someone say it. I'm sure if any post I make replying to MysticCat if I called him a Phi Mu brother he would become quite upset.

No, it's not that I don't vote because I think everyone else will do the right thing for me. I don't vote because I don't feel like I should have to choose between the lesser of two evils. And yes, I can still complain about it.

There were some folks on my old campus who did just that, out of pure ignorance, of course. Nevertheless, you are quite right -- neither we nor the actual Phi Mus on campus appreciated it at all.

Unlike the "analogy" we were discussing above, I think that the argument you made is the valid and persausive argument as to why the use of "frat" should be avoided, except in those contexts (such as in the NPHC) where it doesn't carry the negative connotation you describe.

The Sinfonians on my campus didn't mind it AS MUCH, because the closest chapter of Phi Mu was about a hundred miles away at UofI, but they did MUCH prefer to be Sinfonians. (I lived on a co-ed floor, and I swear half of the guys side were Sinfonians...but then again, it was the fine arts floor, so that makes sense:p ).

I'm probably particularly sensitive to it, since we did have a Phi Mu chapter and since my sister is a Phi Mu.

We're using our female powers to talk to her now... did you leave the seat up again? Tsk tsk... :p


And I agree that's a valid argument. And while most guys prefer fraternity, some don't mind "frat" thus teaching it to each class of freshman girls (because that's who the guys hang out with, right?) and it gets passed along.

When in doubt, default to fraternity.

That was our son. I've been trying to teach him.

Rules of the Toilet Seat (feel free to print out for him):

1. If the females outnumber the males in the house, the toilet seat must remain down.

2. If the females in the house do not outnumber the males, the toilet seat must remain down.

3. If there is a slight possibility a female may enter the house anytime in the current month, the toilet seat must remain down.

4. If you sprinkle when you tinkle, please be neat and wipe the seat.

Awww how old?

And remember, a man's home is his castle, it's just that he isn't the king!

I don't understand that. I worked at a local movie theater and had to clean the bathrooms... EW... How do you pee on the wall in a WOMEN'S restroom!?

Women who don't want to sit on other women's pee squat over the seat, therefore peeing on the seat themselves. Ironic, no??

But on the WALL!
*shudder*

er on-topic, peeing on the wall is something "frat" guys would do
Fraternity men never pee on walls.

/Kind of a Goofus and Gallant thing

[quote=ladygreek]He would be more offended by the word boy than the word frat. quote]

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It's not!!!!! I was gonna have some of my friends apply there!!! Bummer, now I guess I'll tell them about UCF!!!!:p

Every year, 100s of women join UCF sororities. They know virtually nothing about Greek Life and PC terminology. They get bids because they have good applications and they're nice people. I have no doubt that in other parts of the world, someone might be dropped from recruitment for not already knowing everything about Greek Life and the correct PC terms.

In the following weeks, they will attend their first social. Some new member will invariably use the word "frat" at said event and get a 30-minute lecture from the 5th year senior in the fraternity about word usage. Her sisters will laugh at him, but the new member will take his speech to heart. And from that point forward, the new member will use the word fraternity. To summarize-- not much of an issue if you're a newbie.

However, also in my experience, we referred to houses by name. And if you were dating a guy, the question was never, "Is he in a fraternity?" or "What fraternity is he in?" 99 times out of 100 you would be asked "What is he?"-- the response to which could be any of the fraternities or the succinct "GDI" (to which the person would respond "Ohhh" and walk away).

Wasn't that from that Highlights magazine that was always in hospital/dentist waiting rooms? Anyway that would make a hilarious cartoon.

That was the exact image I had in my head when I typed that :)

He's 8.

And he's usually in such a hurry to get back to what he was doing that we have to yell "Did you flush?!" That, of course, is followed by "Did you wash your hands?!," and (from me) "Did you put the seat down?!"

whats wrong with saying frat? isnt that what im in? what else do we call it?

Here it is slowly for you: Fra-ter-ni-ty, Fraternity

And for what it's worth, I also don't believe that you are in one.:p

does anyone really?

nothing good on tv maybe?