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sigmadiva 06-20-2006 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide4
I was "bothered" by it until I found out it was Greek skit day and the men were doing tributes to the members of those sororities. The jackets were not worn as a diss.

.....ummmmm, okay......skit day......riiiiiiiiightttt, yeah, a 'skit'. ;), :p (just teasing)

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That shirt that is shown in the original post is meant to be a diss. I am no longer bothered by it like I was a year ago because it is another Greek trend.
Quite frankly, neither am I. In the realm of dissing other NPHC greeks, this shirt is very mild by comparison. I've seen and heard much worse. The 'much worse' is usually from the fraternities.

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But possibly the wearer of this shirt is insecure about her affiliation. :)
Why would you assume that? I'm assuming here that she did it just for the picnic just to get a rise out of people, which as one poster has said, the shirt really did not cause a stir.

And, quite frankly, I know of other NPHC members who became unsure about their affiliation. For those of us who live in glass houses, we should not throw stones.

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2006 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Why would you assume that? I'm assuming here that she did it just for the picnic just to get a rise out of people, which as one poster has said, the shirt really did not cause a stir.

That's insecure and lame as far as I'm concerned. It didn't cause a stir because people hopefully thought "that's insecure and lame" when they saw the shirt. More money down the drain. :o

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
[B]And, quite frankly, I know of other NPHC members who became unsure about their affiliation. For those of us who live in glass houses, we should not throw stones.

What are you talking about right now? Are people getting sensitive just because this is their soror?

CrimsonTide4 06-20-2006 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Why would you assume that? I'm assuming here that she did it just for the picnic just to get a rise out of people, which as one poster has said, the shirt really did not cause a stir.

And, quite frankly, I know of other NPHC members who became unsure about their affiliation. For those of us who live in glass houses, we should not throw stones.

I am not assuming one little thing about her. It's just a possibility.

Well said in your last 2 or 3 posts, Soror DSTChaos. :)

2Tuff2Quit 06-20-2006 08:05 AM

shakes head
 
I don't know where the thread is but I think that this is the picture that you all were talking about.......:(

http://photos-077.facebook.com/ip007...06077_4440.jpg

mulattogyrl 06-20-2006 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Yeah, that is what I thought about too. And that thread where it had those guys wearing Delta and AKA line jackets. People did not seem bothered about that.

The people I talked to were bothered. It's all a hot mess.

dzdst796 06-20-2006 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
That's insecure and lame as far as I'm concerned. It didn't cause a stir because people hopefully thought "that's insecure and lame" when they saw the shirt. More money down the drain. :o



What are you talking about right now? Are people getting sensitive just because this is their soror?

I am with Chaos on this. Don't get sensitive because we are commenting about your crass soror. You should be checking for her because she is the one that made you all look bad. Trust if that would have been one of my lovely Delta sorors she would definitely have been checked.!!

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2006 09:57 AM

teehee........

mulattogyrl 06-20-2006 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
None of ya'll are innocent. :p

LOL

sigmadiva 06-20-2006 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dzdst796
I am with Chaos on this. Don't get sensitive because we are commenting about your crass soror. You should be checking for her because she is the one that made you all look bad. Trust if that would have been one of my lovely Delta sorors she would definitely have been checked.!!


My only question is why do you assume she is insecure? Like I said, in the realm of disses, this is pretty mild. Maybe that is the problem, you feel dissed. If *you* were secure in your membership, then this would not bother you either. You'd probably be 'ehhh, whatever' and move on. Really, y'all are sweating this too much.

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2006 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
My only question is why do you assume she is insecure?

Because.

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Like I said, in the realm of disses, this is pretty mild.

That's like a mild case of diarrhea. Still diarrhea.

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Maybe that is the problem, you feel dissed.If *you* were secure in your membership, then this would not bother you either. You'd probably be 'ehhh, whatever' and move on. Really, y'all are sweating this too much.

teehee....

I have seen diss 'nalia that had no reference to DST on it and still thought "that's insecure and lame." It's not about feeling dissed since I personally don't think anyone has the credentials nor capacity to effectively diss my sorority and receive more than a chuckle or sympathy glance. ;)

The problem is that you're wearing your blue and gold cape right now and have been doing some explaining in this thread. I don't think anyone would be commenting as much if the SGRhos hadn't have come in here like hit dogs as if they are from this girl's home chapter. Truth of the matter is that there are insecure and lame people in every organization--based on whatever standards WE use to determine insecurity and lameness. Some have just been taught not to display their insecurities and lameness on their organization's 'nalia.

:D

FeeFee 06-20-2006 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap
People who are SECURE in their choice of NPHC GLO wouldn't do that. JMO. It's about doing you. There's a fine line between clowning and insecurity.:rolleyes:

I believe this bears repeating.

All I know is my dear prophytes will snatch ole FeeFee's behind up with the quickness if I ever did something like that. Then again, I wouldn't even think of playing myself out like that.

dzdst796 06-20-2006 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
My only question is why do you assume she is insecure? Like I said, in the realm of disses, this is pretty mild. Maybe that is the problem, you feel dissed. If *you* were secure in your membership, then this would not bother you either. You'd probably be 'ehhh, whatever' and move on. Really, y'all are sweating this too much.

A Delta feeling dissed by a member of SGRho what a joke. Obviously you know that your soror's shirt was worn in bad taste and if you weren't feeling "dissed" you would be 'ehhh, whatever' and move on. So who's is sweating this too much?!:rolleyes:

sigmadiva 06-20-2006 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Because.

That's like a mild case of diarrhea. Still diarrhea.

teehee....

I have seen diss 'nalia that had no reference to DST on it and still thought "that's insecure and lame." It's not about feeling dissed since I personally don't think anyone has the credentials nor capacity to effectively diss my sorority and receive more than a chuckle or sympathy glance. ;)

The problem is that you're wearing your blue and gold cape right now and have been doing some explaining in this thread. I don't think anyone would be commenting as much if the SGRhos hadn't have come in here like hit dogs as if they are from this girl's home chapter. Truth of the matter is that there are insecure and lame people in every organization--based on whatever standards WE use to determine insecurity and lameness. Some have just been taught not to display their insecurities and lameness on their organization's 'nalia.

:D

Whenever you go around pointing your finger, you always have the three others pointing back at you. ;)

sigmadiva 06-20-2006 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dzdst796
A Delta feeling dissed by a member of SGRho what a joke. Obviously you know that your soror's shirt was worn in bad taste and if you weren't feeling "dissed" you would be 'ehhh, whatever' and move on. So who's is sweating this too much?!:rolleyes:

Can't be much of a joke to you. You keep chewing the rag. I was 'ehhh, whatever' for a good portion of this thread. I did not get that upset about the 'I look good in any colors' t-shirt, and I'm not too bothered by this. Like I said, the shirt does not promote greek unity, but in the realm of disses (since I know some members of all of our orgs do diss each other), this is mild.

I think the shirt was only meant to be shocking and upsetting. Based on the responses in this thread, the goal was accomplished, whether you agree with the message or not.

KSUViolet06 06-20-2006 01:54 PM

I'm a lil late on this but:

I personally think the jacket is pretty lame. Like, isn't your jacket supposed to be about YOU and how proud you are of YOUR sorority? Alot of times when people make shirts to diss other orgs, the members of the other org barely bat an eyelash over it and the other person just feels dumb.



DSTCHAOS 06-20-2006 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Whenever you go around pointing your finger, you always have the three others pointing back at you. ;)

Seriously, what is your point? ;)

The girl looks insecure and lame for having that 'nalia on. You don't have to agree but that's that. LOL.

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2006 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JocelynC
I'm a lil late on this but:

I personally think the jacket is pretty lame. Like, isn't your jacket supposed to be about YOU and how proud you are of YOUR sorority? Alot of times when people make shirts to diss other orgs, the members of the other org barely bat an eyelash over it and the other person just feels dumb.



SisterGreek, be careful about forming an opinion on the lameness of that 'nalia because you don't want someone to point fingers at YOU and YOUR failure to wear lame 'nalia like that. :D ;)

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2006 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
You keep chewing the rag.

As do you.

AKA_Monet 06-20-2006 03:43 PM

Wow... Do I miss the days of ivies, pyramids, and archons...

Hayle, after the crap you went thru when there was legalized above ground pledging, you dayum sho have been happy to wear only your 'nalia and have YET to wanna disrespect other organizations on your own stuh...

KSUViolet06 06-20-2006 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
SisterGreek, be careful about forming an opinion on the lameness of that 'nalia because you don't want someone to point fingers at YOU and YOUR failure to wear lame 'nalia like that. :D ;)

LOL. I mean really, it MIGHT get a rise out of a few people for a little bit, but at the end of the day, you just spent YOUR money on a jacket with 3 other sororities colors/letters on it and a wack TI quote.

Sidenote: And don't NPHC's have some sort of official rules about what they can buy/have made with their letters on it?

SummerChild 06-20-2006 06:02 PM

Right. That's odd...wearing other folk letters.
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Originally Posted by kiml122
See, that is what I am saying


sigmadiva 06-20-2006 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Seriously, what is your point? ;)

The girl looks insecure and lame for having that 'nalia on. You don't have to agree but that's that. LOL.


Yeah, I guess we'll have to agree that we don't see it exactly the same way. Would I wear a shirt like that. No because I am not going pay, on a khaki shirt, or any other kind of shirt, to put someone else's letters on my back. But she obviously wanted to to get a response from people and she has, that's all I'm saying.

I don't see it as her being insecure either. It is probably not the best use of judgement to diss other orgs, but like I've said, I seen worse from other greeks. And, who is to say that my sorhors did not check her for wearing the shirt. All we know is what is presented in the picture. We don't know what happend before or after the picture was taken.

sigmadiva 06-20-2006 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JocelynC
LOL. I mean really, it MIGHT get a rise out of a few people for a little bit, but at the end of the day, you just spent YOUR money on a jacket with 3 other sororities colors/letters on it and a wack TI quote.



I can understand your amazement to this. For you, you'd have to put 25 other groups on your back. I'd imagine the shirt would weigh a ton and cost about as much. :p

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Sidenote: And don't NPHC's have some sort of official rules about what they can buy/have made with their letters on it?

I'm sure some do. Based on what I've seen in terms of the types of 'nalia people wear, I think the sororities are a bit more restrictive than the fraternities. But, like I said, that's just based on observation.

I can say that for us, the tone of the color is very critical. Not everyone (as in clothes designers and vendors) will make the same tone of rhoyal blue. One vendor's rhoyal blue is another's deep purple - depending on the light.

The issue of what is appropriate to wear is more of a concern for the undergrads, especially the neos (hence this thread). And, speaking from personal experience, no matter what you tell the ugs's to do and not do, a few will still want to be daring and try to get away with stuff. That is why for my region (SW) we are very strict on what can and can not be put on a line jacket. So much so, that if the ug is seen wearing an offending line jacket it can be removed from her person.

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2006 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JocelynC
Sidenote: And don't NPHC's have some sort of official rules about what they can buy/have made with their letters on it?


My sorority does. :)

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2006 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Yeah, I guess we'll have to agree that we don't see it exactly the same way.

Cool.

VandalSquirrel 06-20-2006 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JocelynC
I'm a lil late on this but:

I personally think the jacket is pretty lame. Like, isn't your jacket supposed to be about YOU and how proud you are of YOUR sorority? Alot of times when people make shirts to diss other orgs, the members of the other org barely bat an eyelash over it and the other person just feels dumb.



You have described how I feel about snotty and biaaachi bid day shirts along the lines of :

If you didn't get drafted you got shafted
Perfection by selection
If you're not wearing this shirt we didn't want you

I think it makes a group (in NPCville) look petty, catty, low class, and really insecure. I'm too busy with my awesome sisters and my organization to wish I could be wearing a tshirt that makes me look trifling. I feel very fortunate the local chapter avoids these types of shirts.

sigmadiva 06-20-2006 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel
You have described how I feel about snotty and biaaachi bid day shirts along the lines of :

If you didn't get drafted you got shafted
Perfection by selection
If you're not wearing this shirt we didn't want you

I think it makes a group (in NPCville) look petty, catty, low class, and really insecure. I'm too busy with my awesome sisters and my organization to wish I could be wearing a tshirt that makes me look trifling. I feel very fortunate the local chapter avoids these types of shirts.

Wow. I never thought about seeing the NPC in this aspect. Food for thought.

sigmadiva 06-21-2006 12:38 AM

Now, am I suppose to be mad about this?
 
Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.
The GENESIS of All
Black Greek Sororities


This siggy was recopied from a GC member. Now, how is this any different? It's the same thing as the shirt, only in reverse. In the original siggy 'Black' is in red, 'Greek' is in blue and 'Sororities' is in gold. Following the argument presented by some in this thread, I guess I can assume she is insecure in her membership since she has the colors of the other orgs as part of her signature.

Am I suppose to be mad about this? (Which I'm not btw, just trying to make a point.) If anything, AKA was the gensis of DST, not SGR. So, in that respect, I feel that her statement is incorrect.

jojapeach 06-21-2006 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
The issue of what is appropriate to wear is more of a concern for the undergrads, especially the neos (hence this thread). And, speaking from personal experience, no matter what you tell the ugs's to do and not do, a few will still want to be daring and try to get away with stuff.

Exactly.

I arrived at the picnic at 3:30, and the soror and her shirt were in one piece when I arrived. I left around 6:45, and there was no drama. I cannot speak for other org members' responses because I heard nothing. If there were comments, they were probably made behind her back. And that's fine. There were well over 3,000 people there, and everyone was well represented. We were supposed to be there for a good time, not to start mess. Her shirt didn't promote greek unity, but it didn't stir up the drama at the picnic that this thread does.

No, I did not hem her up and snatch her stuff off. I spoke to her discreetly (that's my style), but she wanted to get away with her "bold" move. At the same time, I did not see or hear of sorors cheering her shirt and throwing the soror on their shoulders because we massively approved of the "message". Regardless of feelings, there were not any sorors present (her prophytes, LSs, etc.) who were going to demean Sigma by fighting amongst legitimate sorors in the middle of a Greek event. That's just not a part of Sigma.

DSTCHAOS summed it up already: We all have members in our organizations that do dumb, lame, and/or thoughtless things. I'm not excusing the soror's choice because that was a plain and simple diss, but I'm not going to act like she's the first Greek in existence to do something in poor taste. I'm also not going to call her insecure in her decision to be a Sigma just because of her shirt. (Her shirt looked like a normal Sigma shirt in the front.) Her shirt may reflect an unwise neophyte choice, but she made a rookie mistake, and she might understand her error down the line as she continues her path.

I think all of the Greeks were desensitized because the XYZs strolled and dissed the ABCs by throwing up the ABC handsign and then using "the finger" immediately after the handsign. The stroll did not include spending money or wearing other letters, but that was still disrespectful.

Consider this: If these actions (shirts, jackets, strolls, etc.) reflect our undergrad membership in 2006, just wait until 2011 and 2016 to see what our current HS students will add to our memberships.

sigmadiva 06-21-2006 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jojapeach
Exactly.

I arrived at the picnic at 3:30, and the soror and her shirt were in one piece when I arrived. I left around 6:45, and there was no drama. I cannot speak for other org members' responses because I heard nothing. If there were comments, they were probably made behind her back. And that's fine. There were well over 3,000 people there, and everyone was well represented. We were supposed to be there for a good time, not to start mess. Her shirt didn't promote greek unity, but it didn't stir up the drama at the picnic that this thread does.

No, I did not hem her up and snatch her stuff off. I spoke to her discreetly (that's my style), but she wanted to get away with her "bold" move. At the same time, I did not see or hear of sorors cheering her shirt and throwing the soror on their shoulders because we massively approved of the "message". Regardless of feelings, there were not any sorors present (her prophytes, LSs, etc.) who were going to demean Sigma by fighting amongst legitimate sorors in the middle of a Greek event. That's just not a part of Sigma.

DSTCHAOS summed it up already: We all have members in our organizations that do dumb, lame, and/or thoughtless things. I'm not excusing the soror's choice because that was a plain and simple diss, but I'm not going to act like she's the first Greek in existence to do something in poor taste. I'm also not going to call her insecure in her decision to be a Sigma just because of her shirt. (Her shirt looked like a normal Sigma shirt in the front.) Her shirt may reflect an unwise neophyte choice, but she made a rookie mistake, and she might understand her error down the line as she continues her path.

I think all of the Greeks were desensitized because the XYZs strolled and dissed the ABCs by throwing up the ABC handsign and then using "the finger" immediately after the handsign. The stroll did not include spending money or wearing other letters, but that was still disrespectful.

Consider this: If these actions (shirts, jackets, strolls, etc.) reflect our undergrad membership in 2006, just wait until 2011 and 2016 to see what our current HS students will add to our memberships.

Thank you!!! You summed up everything I've been trying to say.

Also thank you for giving your eye witness experience of the event. I think this thread 'went off' because people assumed something, and these very people were not at the picnic to really see what happend. Especially with the other groups.

DSTCHAOS 06-21-2006 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.
The GENESIS of All
Black Greek Sororities


This siggy was recopied from a GC member. Now, how is this any different? It's the same thing as the shirt, only in reverse. In the original siggy 'Black' is in red, 'Greek' is in blue and 'Sororities' is in gold. Following the argument presented by some in this thread, I guess I can assume she is insecure in her membership since she has the colors of the other orgs as part of her signature.

Am I suppose to be mad about this? (Which I'm not btw, just trying to make a point.) If anything, AKA was the gensis of DST, not SGR. So, in that respect, I feel that her statement is incorrect.

Give it a rest. LOL.

DSTCHAOS 06-21-2006 08:10 AM

And in the end, some of us still think ANYONE who wears such 'nalia symbolizes lameness and insecurity. :) Feel free to disagree but such is life. :D

mccoyred 06-21-2006 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.
The GENESIS of All
Black Greek Sororities


This siggy was recopied from a GC member. Now, how is this any different? It's the same thing as the shirt, only in reverse. In the original siggy 'Black' is in red, 'Greek' is in blue and 'Sororities' is in gold. Following the argument presented by some in this thread, I guess I can assume she is insecure in her membership since she has the colors of the other orgs as part of her signature.

Am I suppose to be mad about this? (Which I'm not btw, just trying to make a point.) If anything, AKA was the gensis of DST, not SGR. So, in that respect, I feel that her statement is incorrect.

Yes, this siggy is technically incorrect but it is not in the same category as the shirt. The shirt and all other disses like that (the Zetas in the 'We look good in any color shirts', the AKA with the red jack, etc.) ARE lame and DO reflect insecurity and poor judgement.

CountryGurl 06-21-2006 09:53 AM

Sorry sweetie
 
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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.
The GENESIS of All
Black Greek Sororities


This siggy was recopied from a GC member. Now, how is this any different? It's the same thing as the shirt, only in reverse. In the original siggy 'Black' is in red, 'Greek' is in blue and 'Sororities' is in gold. Following the argument presented by some in this thread, I guess I can assume she is insecure in her membership since she has the colors of the other orgs as part of her signature.

Am I suppose to be mad about this? (Which I'm not btw, just trying to make a point.) If anything, AKA was the gensis of DST, not SGR. So, in that respect, I feel that her statement is incorrect.

Sigmadove 1st know that I am so far from insecure in my membership of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., 2nd if you must know the signature comes from a chant that I like, and 3rd thanks for giving my siggy a shout out :D

sigmadiva 06-21-2006 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CountryGurl
Sigmadove 1st know that I am so far from insecure in my membership of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., 2nd if you must know the signature comes from a chant that I like, and 3rd thanks for giving my siggy a shout out :D


..............mmmkay.......;)

sigmadiva 06-21-2006 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Give it a rest. LOL.

This thread was tired from the begining......;)

DSTCHAOS 06-21-2006 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
This thread was tired from the begining......;)

Then we've come full circle.

sigmadiva 06-21-2006 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Then we've come full circle.


This is GC, are you surprised? :p :D

SummerChild 06-21-2006 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mccoyred
Yes, this siggy is technically incorrect but it is not in the same category as the shirt. The shirt and all other disses like that (the Zetas in the 'We look good in any color shirts', the AKA with the red jack, etc.) ARE lame and DO reflect insecurity and poor judgement.

McCoyred, how is the siggy technically incorrect?

SC

mccoyred 06-21-2006 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SummerChild
McCoyred, how is the siggy technically incorrect?

SC

1) Since there were Black Greek fraternities prior to 1908 (even prior to 1906), it stands to reason that there could have been other Black Greek sororities also. I don't know for a fact though.

2) While AKA was the first NPHC sorority and may have had some influence on the founders of the other three, there are other organizations outside of the NPHC that may have been founded without the influence of any of the D4. Again, I don't know that for a fact.

Maybe I should qualify my earlier statement and say that it COULD be incorrect since both the scenarios presented above are well within the realm of possibility. ;)


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