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squirrely girl 04-20-2006 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey

And it's awesome that you're able to skip over everything and not comprehend why you make no sense. Using your logic, slavery should still be allowed because it used to be legal and terrorists (and their supporters) that somehow legally got into the US, should do whatever they want.

-Rudey
--And if you don't care that Yale let him in, you don't have to read this thread.

and it's really rockin' that you were able to get that from my logic - seeing as i didn't even hint that (assumed) terrorists or their supporters should do whatever they want, but rather that an american university can admit whomever they please (for better or for worse) - yippee for all of those pesky civil liberties!

take a minute and a deep breath and reevaluate your "interpretation" of my logic

- marissa
-- and if you do care that yale let him in, you don't have to read my posts

Rudey 04-20-2006 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by squirrely girl
and it's really rockin' that you were able to get that from my logic - seeing as i didn't even hint that (assumed) terrorists or their supporters should do whatever they want, but rather that an american university can admit whomever they please (for better or for worse) - yippee for all of those pesky civil liberties!

take a minute and a deep breath and reevaluate your "interpretation" of my logic

- marissa
-- and if you do care that yale let him in, you don't have to read my posts

If he's in Yale, obviously an American university can admit him. Your comment, once again, makes no sense.

It's the fact that it upsets many of us that causes us to speak up about it. The whole issue is about foreign students that are allowed in with a wink and a handshake, and a whole lot of cash. Someone might not know this if they went to a bumpkin school.

And it's your logic that makes no sense. He was in a terrorist organization called the Taliban - one that is still around and still killing Americans. On top of that his being in the country does not make him innocent as a baby.

-Rudey

squirrely girl 04-20-2006 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
The whole issue is about foreign students that are allowed in with a wink and a handshake, and a whole lot of cash.

On top of that his being in the country does not make him innocent as a baby.

-Rudey

using this line of reasoning - how is this different from other students being admitted? would a whole lot of cash not get a member of the KKK in? what about the rapist without a felony record? so why is it an issue of FOREIGN students?

he may well not be innocent, but his nationality and former party affiliation should not prevent him from recieving an education if a university decides to give it to him

- marissa

macallan25 04-20-2006 09:38 PM

"Rapist without a felony record..."????? How the hell do you know someones a rapist with no record and no registration as a sex offender.

Even if he did have a record...every admission form I have seen asks for any and all felony offenses. Being a rapist would probobly diminish your chances. Same with putting on your sheet that you are in the KKK.

Its not an issue of nationality, where did you get from? Its an issue of him being in the Taliban.....an organization that continues to plot and murder our countrymen everyday.

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Originally posted by squirrely girl
using this line of reasoning - how is this different from other students being admitted? would a whole lot of cash not get a member of the KKK in? what about the rapist without a felony record? so why is it an issue of FOREIGN students?

he may well not be innocent, but his nationality and former party affiliation should not prevent him from recieving an education if a university decides to give it to him

- marissa


epchick 04-21-2006 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by PhiMuAmberkins
Just my two cents...

"Mrs. Bailey feels an obligation to travel from her home in suburban Lynnfield, Mass., to a federal courtroom in Boston, where 9/11 families can watch the Moussaoui trial on closed-circuit television..."
-I feel about this like I feel about television. If you don't like it, don't watch it. If it makes you upset, yet you still go and watch the trial, don't bitch to anyone about it, because it's your choice.

Also, the part about the "town meeting" kind of upset me. This woman seems to think that it isn't important for us to understand why we're hated, why others would WANT to bomb us. This kind of blind hatred/patriotism/trusting of the government/ignorance to anyone else is BAD. I'd much rather know why this happened than have a meeting where we talk about how we're right, they're wrong, and that's all there is.

I don't want to sound like I don't think 9/11 was a tragedy and a terrible thing. I'm just saying that these people are not making a whole lot of sense in their objections. I don't know how I'd feel if a former Taliban official came to my school...I'm just putting in my 2 cents...

I totally understand. I also feel that we should understand why we are hated and why other would want to bomb us, but the fact that Yale did it 4 days after the 9/11 attacks is in poor taste. No, it more than just poor taste, it is wrong!! I was shock about the 9/11 attack for at least a week, and I didn't have any family near there. Now to think if i had family, i'd probably still be devastated. It was wrong of Yale to invite the family members of the victims to a meeting to explain, "you know your husband/dad/wife/sister/brother died because of the US..blah blah blah" Yeah, people need to know why, but not then! That was not the time.

But just because this man is in America, DOES NOT mean that Yale has to accept him. To give the man the "benefit of the doubt" is kinda wrong. I understand that maybe he is completely innocent, but you really want to risk it? Who knows, he might be genuine in wanting to take classes here, OR he might want to orchistrate more attacks here. Do you want to take the risk?

I might have felt better with this situation if the guy actually had remorse for his involvement, but the fact that he isn't repentant/remorseful or anything really concerns me. Who are we to say that he is a "former" taliban member. Just because the taliban is "broken up" DOES NOT mean that they are gone. They just have secret meetings, the members don't publicly announce their Taliban membership anymore. Its just like I believe that there is no such thing as a "former gang member" once your in a gang, your in it for life. If you want to "get out" you can't, you can walk away from it and not participate in it anymore, but you are still IN the gang. This guy is still IN the Taliban whether it is broken up or not.



Just on a little side note, i find it very interesting that the government will allow Taliban members to enter the US, but they won't allow immigrants to enter. Hmmmm, there is something a littl wrong with that :confused: ---of course that is a whole other issue altogether.

BobbyTheDon 04-21-2006 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by epchick



Just on a little side note, i find it very interesting that the government will allow Taliban members to enter the US, but they won't allow immigrants to enter. Hmmmm, there is something a littl wrong with that :confused: ---of course that is a whole other issue altogether.


Since when did the US not allow immigrants to come? Seriously? Since when?

macallan25 04-21-2006 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by epchick
Just on a little side note, i find it very interesting that the government will allow Taliban members to enter the US, but they won't allow immigrants to enter. Hmmmm, there is something a littl wrong with that :confused: ---of course that is a whole other issue altogether. [/B]
Is this a joke?

BobbyTheDon 04-21-2006 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by macallan25
Is this a joke?

It has to be

moe.ron 04-22-2006 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by epchick
Just on a little side note, i find it very interesting that the government will allow Taliban members to enter the US, but they won't allow immigrants to enter. Hmmmm, there is something a littl wrong with that :confused: ---of course that is a whole other issue altogether.
:confused: :confused: :confused:

KSigkid 04-22-2006 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by epchick
Just on a little side note, i find it very interesting that the government will allow Taliban members to enter the US, but they won't allow immigrants to enter. Hmmmm, there is something a littl wrong with that :confused: ---of course that is a whole other issue altogether.
I didn't realize we'd cut off all immigration. When did that happen?

Rudey 04-22-2006 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
I didn't realize we'd cut off all immigration. When did that happen?
When Republicans and the Kennedy clan proposed giving citizenship to a large number of illegals and Democrats shot it down.

-Rudey


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