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Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
No. I am not black. But if someone posted a story about a little white girl who wrote a racist white poem, ya'll sure would be up in arms about it. Why can't I be offended when ya'll are giving high fives to a litte black girl who wrote a racisit poem??? (Or especially in the young man charged with rape thread when everyone just "KNEW" it was a white girl - why can't I be offended when you guys are racist like that - and that is very racist to assume that it was a white girl)
That's the thing, though. This poem is NOT racist. She is telling things that actually happened. The songs that those racist twins were singing were racist.

Show me where I was up in arms, because I thought the girl in that "rape" case was white. I didn't. I investigated. I call my family, who lives in the area and I asked what was going on. If you have a problem with those whom you think were "up in arms" holla at them about it. Your post is directed to me.

I asked if you were Black, because I wanted to know where you were coming from, when you said "But that is not so much the case anymore (I did not say NOT EVER - because I'm not stupid enough to think there aren't things that still happen). There is oppertunity for everyone now if they want to find it."

When you said the statement that I quoted, I figured you weren't Black, but I didn't want to be presumtuous. You are not qualified to tell me what opportunities exist, or even place a gauge on what type of racist encounters await me, because you have not and willnot walk in my shoes. So, find your lane and stay in it. Shut up, and learn something. Don't think you know anything about my existence. You don't.

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
B_Q13 made a statement about how no one calls rape victims enablers and ONLY racism the enablers are to blame. I was just giving one instance of another situation where the enable is blamed.

And I'm not joking about the flaming. Go ahead. I might not get to respond to everyone's debate, because I'm at work, and I do need to get something done. But I like to debate issues.

Quit lying on me. I never used te word "enabler." That's the word you pulled outta your a$$ to cover up what you were really saying. You were really saying for us to just get over it.

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by BLUTANG
i got 5 on it!
LMAO!!!!

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by sensa_diva
@ Alphafrog...I am NOT above blaming the past for current racism as it is the REASON for it!!! What are you suggesting Black people do? Does it look it like things are on a level playing field to you that we can now wipe everything under the rug... There is nowhere in this world where MY people are not subjected to vestiges of slavery NO WHERE...

Ironic...The JEWS are always discussing the hardships of the holocaust and "pound" it in the heads of their youth - NO ONE COMMENTS on that but when WE do it we need to be above that...Please do not be offended but you are extremely misguided. If you have a few white friends don't let the "bond" you have with them fool you into believing OUR situation is overly dramatize and WE are making a mountain out of molehill...

Last point...we should not really care how uncomfortable the TRUTH make someone feels.... ITS THE TRUTH...

We need to be more UNIFIED in our understanding of OUR HISTORY so that we don't get easily fooled when one or two "white folks" show us some kindness...;)

PREACH!!!!!

*insert a smilie that is shouting and running around the church*

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
I'm not delusional, and I don't think you have it made. But this is not colonial America, or even pre-affirmative action America. You have oppertunities IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM FOR YOURSELF. Those of you who are on this board are mostly college educated or in process. YOU MADE YOUR OPPERTUNITY. I'm sure many of you came from families that didn't live in the best neighborhood and didn't get to go to the best schools and didn't have the money to go to college....but you still found a way to make it happen. Why do you who make it happen, let those who won't make it happen for themselves make excuses? - And I have heard those words come out of more then one black person's mouth (but because I'm white - I'm sure that makes me racist because I said it)
Just because somebody hasn't "made it" doesn't mean that they aren't trying. We have a loing way to go. Period. It's not about making excuses. If there are REASONS that some things are the way they are, then that is hardly an "excuse."

This is not to call out your weakness, but merely to illustrate my point. I am reading your posts, and I am gritting my teeth, every time I see you write "oppertunity." Although you can't even spell it, I'm sure you have more opportunities than people who can spell it correctly, but look like me. THAT is what burns me up. People who look like you can be mediocre at best, and still have opportunities that our best and brightest won't even get a chance to apply for.

AlphaFrog 03-14-2006 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
Just because somebody hasn't "made it" doesn't mean that they aren't trying. We have a loing way to go. Period. It's not about making excuses. If there are REASONS that some things are the way they are, then that is hardly an "excuse."

This is not to call out your weakness, but merely to illustrate my point. I am reading your posts, and I am gritting my teeth, every time I see you write "oppertunity." Although you can't even spell it, I'm sure you have more opportunities than people who can spell it correctly, but look like me. THAT is what burns me up. People who look like you can be mediocre at best, and still have opportunities that our best and brightest won't even get a chance to apply for.

Ok, everyone has certain words they cannot spell. That is one of mine, and I'm sure you have them too.

And if your best and brightest ARE your best and brightest, they'll figure out how to get what they want.

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Ok, everyone has certain words they cannot spell. That is one of mine, and I'm sure you have them too.

And if your best and brightest ARE your best and brightest, they'll figure out how to get what they want.

POC, you had plenty of words misspelled, but that one stuck out the most.

Again, until you have EXPERIENCED BEING Black, then you are unqualified to gauge what's really going on. Talent, know-how, intelligence, and even persistence are always enough, when you are not in the decison-making positions.

Rain Man 03-14-2006 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
WHY is it that racism is the only offense, where people want the 'victims' to be the ones responsible for correcting the problem? :mad:
Because all too often in the case of racism, the "victims" use racism as a crutch, and as an excuse for lack of progress with their welfare and well-being. It's almost as if racism is an excuse for us to vie for attention with other ethnicities.

It's 2006 and time for folk to stop whining and complaining, "The white man did this...." and "The white man did that..."

It puts all the accountability and responsibility on the perpetrator and none on the victim, whose primary responsibility is to heal, learn from the experience, and KIM.

Until then, we as blacks will never fully progress as a people until we lose the crutch.

Rain Man 03-14-2006 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
You were advocating that we not call it out and be "above bringing up the past." For the record, racism is not in THE PAST. It's very current. It's just rooted in the past.
So what if there is still racism? Are you going to continue to complain and whine about it, or are you going to make the best out of a less than favorable situation?

Clint Eastwood in "Heartbreak Ridge" said it best:

"You adapt, you improvise, you overcome."

I am fully aware that there is racism. But I don't worry about that fact one bit because I am too busy making small victories for myself and others to get caught up in being a victim.

Stop complaining about what's wrong and just work on and for what's right and you too won't have time to be concerned about racism.

Peaches-n-Cream 03-14-2006 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Private I
<snip>
The truth hurts but we cannot erase history. All we can do is acknowledge it and learn from our past so that we are not doomed to repeat it.

This is probably one of the most important things ever posted on GC.


I saw Autum on the local news. I think that her poem upset people because it's not something an average 7 year old would write. When she recited her poem, she seemed angry because she is an actress and was interpreting the words, not just reading them. If you see a videotape of her, you can see what I mean. I personally think that she is a little girl who has a talent and intelligence well beyond her 7 years which can be intimidating. I think that her poem just took people out of their comfort zone. I find the reaction to the poem more interesting than the poem itself.

ms_gwyn 03-14-2006 01:15 PM

I'm very proud of this little girl....she did what was right and is standing by her beliefs (which are TRUE FACTS).

I am not so blinded as to realize what history is and what is taught at that grade level, hell I remember some of the things I was taught at that age and as I grew up and taking more history classes the "ugly" (read: REAL) truth was brought to light.

I think these parents are upset because of the "washed down" history that is fed to children and as we/they grow(ew) older the REAL truth comes to light....

I really can't wait until the REAL truth about Lincoln is widely known and not something that a lot of people hear about on the History channel or (like me) read it in books when researching for a paper for my history class.

FACT: Racism exist and I believe it will continue to exist as long as people have those rose-colored glasses on (I admit, I like my glasses in some instances, but NOT in this case).

Sweeping it under the rug will not make racism go away, in fact I think it will cultivate MORE racism.

The whole "reverse" argument that some are using...it doesn't fly....brush up on your history (THE REAL History) and see for yourself that "out of the mouths of babes" is true in this instance and a lot of instances….

What most parents should be concerned with is that their children aren’t learning the TRUE facts and history…..

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Rain Man
Because all too often in the case of racism, the "victims" use racism as a crutch, and as an excuse for lack of progress with their welfare and well-being. It's almost as if racism is an excuse for us to vie for attention with other ethnicities.

It's 2006 and time for folk to stop whining and complaining, "The white man did this...." and "The white man did that..."

It puts all the accountability and responsibility on the perpetrator and none on the victim, whose primary responsibility is to heal, learn from the experience, and KIM.

Until then, we as blacks will never fully progress as a people until we lose the crutch.

"All too often?" Please cite some instances. You should be able to cite some specifics, since you said it is "all too often."

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Rain Man
So what if there is still racism? Are you going to continue to complain and whine about it, or are you going to make the best out of a less than favorable situation?

Clint Eastwood in "Heartbreak Ridge" said it best:

"You adapt, you improvise, you overcome."

I am fully aware that there is racism. But I don't worry about that fact one bit because I am too busy making small victories for myself and others to get caught up in being a victim.

Stop complaining about what's wrong and just work on and for what's right and you too won't have time to be concerned about racism.

Like hell, I'll stop complaining. I am a multi-tasker. I can complain, and overcome at the same time.

Step up YOUR game, so you can do the same.

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
This is probably one of the most important things ever posted on GC.


I saw Autum on the local news. I think that her poem upset people because it's not something an average 7 year old would write. When she recited her poem, she seemed angry because she is an actress and was interpreting the words, not just reading them. If you see a videotape of her, you can see what I mean. I personally think that she is a little girl who has a talent and intelligence well beyond her 7 years which can be intimidating. I think that her poem just took people out of their comfort zone. I find the reaction to the poem more interesting than the poem itself.

Yours is a very interesting perspective.

OhioCentaur 03-14-2006 01:19 PM

Did he basically say, oh well there are racists just keep it moving?

Steeltrap 03-14-2006 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Question: When has sweeping anything under the rug ever been helpful? :confused: See, this is the reason why we can't get past it because the thought process of "let's just sweep it under the rug" doesn't work - and it never has.

You know, the bible says that when we sin, we should seek forgiveness from God. But although God has forgiven us, that does not mean that we are absolved from the consequences of our sin. Quit turning a blind eye to the consequences of those sins that happened years ago.

I'm pretty appalled that some folks have the nerve to say "get over it". Boom Quack was right....no one would say that to a rape victim or abused wife, but yet its said to African Americans without a second thought.

@ Mulattogyrl: You also didn't know that its "racist" to talk about the past treatment of blacks? LOL

Can I say that this is a great post.
If you aren't living in our shoes, what gives one the right to say "get over it?"

Peaches-n-Cream 03-14-2006 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
Yours is a very interesting perspective.
Thank you. I like what you wrote about being a multi-tasker. :)

blueGBI 03-14-2006 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
Alright! The pony fund is now in bizzness.

Any other contributors to The Pony Fund? :D

I'm in.

Honeykiss1974 03-14-2006 01:39 PM

I am still waiting on someone to explain how this little girl's poem is "racist" - or was that catch phrase used just so AlphaFrog could gripe about what she thinks of blacks/racism due to what was posted in this thread (since it was referenced)?

Excessive Punishment For Sex Act

Yeah, I'm going there :p

blueGBI 03-14-2006 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Ok, everyone has certain words they cannot spell. That is one of mine, and I'm sure you have them too.

And if your best and brightest ARE your best and brightest, they'll figure out how to get what they want.

Honestly, do you enjoy showing everyone how ignorant you are?

Just because you're white and have a kid with a Mexican man doesn't mean you know ANYTHING about how it is to live as a black person in America. And, since we all know that you'll never step out of your comfort zone to see the truth, you need to slow your roll and stfu.

Steeltrap 03-14-2006 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by blueGBI
I'm in.
I also want to give Autum pony money, but can we also start a college scholarship for her?:cool:

mulattogyrl 03-14-2006 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
I am still waiting on someone to explain how this little girl's poem is "racist"
Me too. :(

CrimsonTide4 03-14-2006 01:41 PM

I think folks are scared that a 7 year old knows the unpretty version of history and that she is using her enlightenment and talent to enlighten others. :)


HK, you really ARE going there. :eek:

ladylike 03-14-2006 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by blueGBI
Honestly, do you enjoy showing everyone how ignorant you are?

Just because you're white and have a kid with a Mexican man doesn't mean you know ANYTHING about how it is to live as a black person in America. And, since we all know that you'll never step out of your comfort zone to see the truth, you need to slow your roll and stfu.

Well. The plot thickens.

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by OhioCentaur
Did he basically say, oh well there are racists just keep it moving?
pretty much. lol

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
Thank you. I like what you wrote about being a multi-tasker. :)
Thankies. :D

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
I also want to give Autum pony money, but can we also start a college scholarship for her?:cool:
That lil' sista has scholarship written all over her, which is why I wanted to do something fun and blissful for her. So pony up the money for the pony, or keep it moving. lol

AlphaFrog 03-14-2006 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by blueGBI
Honestly, do you enjoy showing everyone how ignorant you are?

Just because you're white and have a kid with a Mexican man doesn't mean you know ANYTHING about how it is to live as a black person in America. And, since we all know that you'll never step out of your comfort zone to see the truth, you need to slow your roll and stfu.

You're not showing any signs of intelligence, when all you can do is accuse and name-call. I don't really see you having anything valuable to add to the conversation. Until then, you can "stfu".

Steeltrap 03-14-2006 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
That lil' sista has scholarship written all over her, which is why I wanted to do something fun and blissful for her. So pony up the money for the pony, or keep it moving. lol
Oh, OK. I'll pony up the money for the pony.
:p

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
You're not showing any signs of intelligence, when all you can do is accuse and name-call. I don't really see you having anything valuable to add to the conversation. Until then, you can "stfu".
And calling the poem racist, without providing proof that it is racist is not accusatory and name-calling?

Don't get mad, because your card got pulled. LOL!!!!

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
Oh, OK. I'll pony up the money for the pony.
:p

:D

FeeFee 03-14-2006 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
Oh, OK. I'll pony up the money for the pony.
:p

Scholarships and ponies - yaaaaaayyyyyy!!!! :D :cool: :D

AlphaFrog 03-14-2006 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
And calling the poem racist, without providing proof that it is racist is not accusatory and name-calling?

Don't get mad, because your card got pulled. LOL!!!!

Ok...then answer this...if the poem is not at all racist, why is it "Controversial"?

mulattogyrl 03-14-2006 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Ok...then answer this...if the poem is not at all racist, why is it "Controversial"?
I think discussing race and being racist are two different things. I think the poem is controversial because it discusses race.

ms_gwyn 03-14-2006 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Ok...then answer this...if the poem is not at all racist, why is it Controversial?
you will not leave it alone....will you?

The answer has been provided in above responses...

to break it down.....its controversial b/c people were not expected a 7 yo girl to have such an accurate accounting of history and fact....that made them nervous


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Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
I think folks are scared that a 7 year old knows the unpretty version of history and that she is using her enlightenment and talent to enlighten others. :)

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Ok...then answer this...if the poem is not at all racist, why is it "Controversial"?
Are you serious? :eek: :eek: :eek:

sugar and spice 03-14-2006 02:19 PM

It's "controversial" because people are f*ckwits.

Seriously, there was nothing in that poem (at least the sections quoted in that article) that anyone who received even a moderately decent high school education could argue with. Maybe the terms she used were a little on the harsh side, but that's what poetry is about -- using the most powerful language to make the largest impact on your audience. What I find much, much more "controversial" than the poem itself is the fact that the school thought they had to apologize for it. If anything, THAT'S what I think is out of line.

Rain Man 03-14-2006 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
"All too often?" Please cite some instances. You should be able to cite some specifics, since you said it is "all too often."
Pick any race-related thread here on GC, including this one; you'll find some specifics soon enough.

Boom_Quack13 03-14-2006 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Rain Man
Pick any race-related thread here on GC, including this one; you'll find some specifics soon enough.
No. I asked you to cite instances, not send me on a scavenger hunt to support your claim. You made the claim, so support it.

Rain Man 03-14-2006 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
Like hell, I'll stop complaining. I am a multi-tasker. I can complain, and overcome at the same time.

Step up YOUR game, so you can do the same.

That in part is why we as blacks aren't making progress; we're too busy complaining and then we get the nerve to cop an attitude when no one listens to us or takes us seriously. Nobody likes a complainer. So go ahead and complain. That's the easy part. It's much harder to just get to work and "shovel the gravel".

And you best believe my game is stepped up in part because I am NOT complaining.

Let's get together sometime to chat in person. I'll bring the cheese, you bring the whine.


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