And to respond to the commet about brothers not letting other members drink too much. These kids really did not drink that much. However towards the end of the night, they really were looking pretty bad. Most of our guys couldnt figure out why they were so bad but to be safe took them to the hospital. Yeah it eventually turned into us getting kicked off for 7 years but I am proud of them for doing the right thing and taking them to the hospital.

As far as I am concerned these 2 pledges had no business drinking alchohol in the first place. If one of our guys would have known about their conditions there is no way they would have let them drink. A little too late now though..

That's very commendable -- especially since in many places (don't know about this one) doctors are required to report incidents like this one (as mentioned above). It is important to put the possibility of sanctions aside when brothers or others appear to be in distress.

This thread has the potential for a great discussion on several points, so from this point on, let's try to put the finger pointing on both sides aside.

Thanks.

To coastalpike:

Earlier in the thread you said that the University suspended the chapter but hasn't provided the chapter with any details. You also mentioned that you were an alumnus (not an active brother) of that chapter.

I find it hard to believe that the University suspended your chapter without the chapter having a clue (I'm speaking as a Greek Advisor here...). Are you sure the Chapter President (or someone else) hasn't discussed this with the Greek Advisor, and is just saying they haven't been given details in order to "cover their butt"?

I ask because I have dealt with a chapter before that has a rather large judicial file, has had quite a few sanctions, and when the President and Advisor received letters detailing this info (and had several conversations with me about it, went through the judicial process, etc.), they never told the whole chapter the situation. Seriously...chapter members were pissed at me because "I was out to get them". It was only when I wrote a three page long letter outlining everything the chapter had failed to do in the past 2 years and sent it to every member's personal mailbox did they finally "get it". Long story short, the chapter president was failing to communicate...he just didn't tell anyone (he definitely didn't tell alumni), and flat out lied to National Consultants. The sad part is he trained the next chapter president to do exactly the same thing.

So...I'd double check with the chapter's faculty advisor (the one who works on campus) and see if you can get any information from them. Also, there would have to be someone from your HQ who knows everything that's happened and might be willing to share with alumni. I know that not every Greek Advisor is perfect and has the best interest of the students in mind, but most of us aren't horrible people.

(let's not turn this into "bash the GA" either....there are some good discussion points in this whole situation we can focus on).

PsychTau

I think you are right that most people have problems in telling someone else to slow down or stop drinking...and that most drunk people don't listen.

Any ideas on how we can teach/empower our chapter members to approach those brothers/sisters who need to slow down? What about instilling the "culture" within the chapter that if a brother/sister asks you to slow down/stop drinking, you respect that and do what they say? (Some sororities have a really effective tap on the shoulder/codeword/three strikes system that members really respond to).

PsychTau

Every year we have a few newly initiated guys who constantly get too drunk and throw up all the time and what not. So we ridicule them for having the tolerance of little girls, and they eventually slow down until their tolerance builds up.

PsychTau,

When our president was informed of the decision the school did not release any evidence about what it was they were found guilty of hazing for. Through conversations with the GA and the Dean of Students we have been able to get all of the information that we have so far.

I know for a fact that our nationals and faculty advisor has not been given this information either.

It has also come to my attention today that the school will be suspending our Sigma Alpha Epsilon Colony for a similiar incident involving alcohol.

Hmmm....interesting.

Unfortunately I don't know what else to tell you...surely your HQ staff would be able to get the whole story from the school eventually. I would hope.

PsychTau

A hazing probe at Coastal Carolina University widened this week when a fraternity and sorority were suspended after asking to be investigated.

School officials had just completed one investigation, deciding to let stand a seven-year suspension of a fraternity and one-semester suspension of a sorority's social activities, when the other groups approached them.

The new investigation focuses on Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority and Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity, whose members asked school officials to look into their recruiting and membership practices amid increased campus education about hazing and alcohol abuse.

ok
 

The school did not even consider our appeal so the 7 years stands..