How funny that you mention that!! My husband and I have been noticing that for YEARS...we call it the GWB smug smirk. And here I was thinking we were crazy for always noticing that. :) I agree though, not much new was said. Though he needs to keep his gob out of education and let people who actually know what they are talking about and doing take care of that.

Reagarding the being removed for wearing a t-shirt thing...I guess it's just my upbringing, but unless I was just a tourist getting a walk around view of the capitol, I would not be wearing a t-shirt to the SOTU. It seems...tacky. Just my opinion.

Bush reminds me a bit of the guy from Mad magazine.

And I agree with tshirt wearing on the House Floor or even in the Gallery is beyond tacky, it's disrespectful. Remember where you are and show some dignity, people. That goes for that Congressman's wife as well as Sheehan.

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okay, so, since when is solar engery part of reporklican agenda?

Alfred E Newman? Because of his big donkey ears probably.

I can't believe anyone would advocate some nutjob (Sheehan) who is ignorant and so insulting be allowed wear this tshirt. On top of that they ejected a woman who wore a patriotic tshirt, but of course these opportunists will call it some Republican conspiracy.

-Rudey

Reporklican? Well, OK then.

you are an idiot.

and nice rudey and your statements about sheehan. that article someone posted about her being wrongfully taken out of the speech was obviously commented on by some liberal p.o.s. Wearing Political clothing, banners, etc. etc. is in extreme bad taste and is not condoned for the SOTY. It is not some republican conpiracy....to whoever said that you are a moron.

That crazy bitch is completely dis-honoring her son's sacrafice and what he did for his country. Shit, he RE-enlisted to go back and fight.

If you can't answer the question then just don't respond, there is really no need for that.

I'll answer for you -

a.) Conservative platforms (although not necessarily RePUBlican platforms) have never actually 'hated out' environmental reform; instead, they supported decreased governmental involvement in regulation of business (including environmental concerns). Efficient energy does not run contrary to this - instead, it is actually paramount to efficient business. Part of this is that, if the environment is really that important to people, they'll speak with their wallets, and patronize companies that realize environmental concerns. Do they?

b.) Even if it only became part of the RePUBlican party's platform yesterday, does that make it invalid? Isn't that what you WANT? If you're going to say "F- the GOP for not caring about the environment" then back it up with "F- the GOP for adding it just to look good/whatever garbage", then you're burning the candle at both ends.

-RC
--c.) 'reporklican' was also unnecessary, and really crushed your credibility.

He's not looking for a real answer. He smokes pot and posts jiberrish all over Greekchat afterwards. You would think he'd STFU by now.

-Rudey

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I'd find that very easy to believe, given the way all of President Bush's campaign speeches were set up -- ticketed guests only. It was a really good job by the Bush/GOP folks to sanitize the crowds from any kind of opposition. Very well done as a PR tool.

In fact, the Republicans won the PR battle during the election hands down.

Getting back on topic, though, even if Sheehan's actions were crass, she would seem to have been denied her Constitutional right to make her comment in a government/public building by government police. I would think that would violate here rights. Any of your lawyers have another read on that?

The same goes, of course, for the Representative's wife -- who might also have been a little crass.

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So you think it's easy to believe that he takes out the opposition but then say he took out someone from his side??

At which state of the union address were their people with controversial tshirts on?

-Rudey

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I don't understand your question. Sorry.

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If you are removing your supporter as well as the opposition, it seems pretty damn balanced to me.

And I can't think of when a single Democrat had people with controversial tshirts sit in on a SOTU speech. You may have seen one, but I haven't so I don't see how this is any different.

-Rudey

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Oh, I agree with the balanced part -- see above -- but I suspect it's possible, even likely, that the Bush folks dropped the word to the Capitol Cops to be over zealous.

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Over zealous in preventing freaks with tshirts that don't appear in STOU speeches for Dems?

Much of the left (As well as the husband that divorced her) has abandoned her after she attacked Israel, hangs out with repressive dictators like Hugo Chavez, attends rallies to "Bring down the US", and making moronic statements like calling the President the world's largest terrorist.

She has mental issues.

She should be in a hospital and not at STOU speeches for any president.

-Rudey

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No. Overzealous in preventing anyone with tee shirts with messages, including the Congressman's wife.

I agree it's hardly the correct thing to wear to the State of the Union Address, but it wasn't just this particular nutcase on this occassion.

I'm not sure where the Democrat thing came from -- did I mention them somewhere, except to imply that they lost the PR war in the last election?

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So basically no other President, of any party, has had someone sit in his SOTU with such a tshirt but this one should have?

-Rudey

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Well, it appears there is no law and not even a written rule about it -- and the Chief of the Capitol Police said his people were wrong, took responsibility himself and apologized. I guess someone thought somebody was wrong.

My question is whether somebody close to the administration exaserbated the situation. I think you know that I would ask the same question if it had been a different President.

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Hmmm, easy for You to use the $5.00 words!;)

I just wonder if Sheehan was the only one who wore a T-Shirt (Class, Third) as it were if a Senators wife was not wearing a T-Shirt also and was rememoved.

The Local Campus Capitol COPs Stepped on their dickie doos!:p

I think that is being called the hated PC thing or Patriot Act crap.!:mad:

As big as this Country is, We will never be able to Keep Our Bourders Closed until We take over Canada and Mexico!:D


Remember, None of us have Chapters in Mexico yet!:D

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She was "detained" (I think thats what they're calling it now) because she violated the rules of the House (NOT A LAW), rules that have been in place for over a hundred years that prohibit people in the Gallery from making loud noises or otherwise cause disruption. The House rules against this sort of thing are totally understandable (and Constitutional I might add) since its one of necessity...do you thing ANYTHING would get done without a blanket prohibition against these sort of antics in the Gallery? Her detainment was totally justifiable.


The bigger scandal in my eyes is the complete free pass the mainstream liberal media has given her recently. During the summer when she was standing out in front of Bush's ranch, they couldn't get enough of her. Now, when she is actually revealing her true colors by fucking around with such winners as Hugo Chavez & Ramsey Clark, calling Bush a terrorist & a war criminal, the mainstream media just ignores her, & won't report anything about her antics. Another example of why no one trusts the media. Thank God for the "vast right-wing conspiracy" which has been calling Cindy's bluff since she first appeared. That's the bigger issue than her fucking idiotic rants. The media liberals know that if they expose her, though, that it will only strengthen Bush's position, & they sure don't want to do that.

PLUS, SHE WAS INVITED THERE BY A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT FROM CALIFORNIA - this was no Republican scandal.

Why isn't there any backlash against the person who brought her there?

And it may not be illegal, but it's probably against the rules of many colleges to walk across the stage during graduation with a tshirt that has a racist slogan on it, so they might just stop you from doing it.

-Rudey

I don't think the woman that invited her there thought that she would do anything that she did. Again, the rules of the House specify the conduct that everyone in attendance is supposed to follow. The Constitution was not violated and there were no laws broken. They have removed people in the past for advocating current events as well, it is not all about negativity.

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I'm not so sure about that - but if you say so...

Optimist Prime - I really have no idea where you come out with half the stuff that you say on here.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Police Apologize, Drop Charge Vs. Sheehan
 

Oh, take a look back. I admit I don't think much of "W" but I don't think much of Kerry either. I just have trouble trusting President Bush. And since he's constantly in the news, I get to comment about him a lot.

That may be why you have that perception.

When someone does something I don't agree with, I pretty much take it to task.

I've mentioned it before, but I've voted for about an equal number of GOP and Democrat candidates since I've been voting. Most of them lost, which I say with a sense of pride.

BTW, I'm not registered to either party.

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You know, you really shoud not have to defend your voting habits or opinions. You've made your point, you're entitled to do that, and that's the end of it.

Don't forget the Republican Congressman's Wife was also kicked out for her tshirt as well. It is just not appropriate to make ANY political statement via your shirt during a joint session of Congress. That Wife should have known better and Sheehan is stupid beyond belief. Her poor son must be rolling over in his grave.

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"...I'm not so sure about that - but if you say so..."


I don't mind responding if something I say is questioned. In this case I'd just as soon not be branded as a radical for one side or the other.

"Her poor son must be rolling over in his grave."

That's going a little too far. You have no way of knowing how the deceased felt about the war or his service in it.

He might have been just as strongly opposed as his mother, but did his duty as a soldier.

Just because he was in the Armed Forces doesn't mean he supported this conflict.

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The fact that her so re-enlisted to go back to the war speaks volumes about his character and his support for the cause at hand. That is a personal choice, noone forced him to do that.

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That's true.

Everything I read about Casey indicates that he joined the Army to be a Chaplain's Assistant and non-combatant. That being the case, the fact that he volunteered for the rescue mission during which he was killed does speak volumes about his character.

There is really no way to clear the static between his mother's rhetoric and that of the government. Both are extreme.

It's not terribly uncommon, however, for a soldier to follow what he/she feels is a sense of duty, whether the cause warrants it or not. I'd like to believe that he died for something he really did believe in.

i agree totally

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I agree with KSigkid.

Sorry DeltAlum, but I consider myself a moderate and I doubt many would accept that and it's OK. :)

-Rudey
--Off to drink some apolitical beers

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I have no comment.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Police Apologize, Drop Charge Vs. Sheehan
 

Nowhere did I "brand" you a radical, nothing remotely like it. You dislike Bush - that's fine, I voted for him and there are quite a few times when I haven't liked what he's done.

You say you're a moderate outside of the board, and I can definitely believe that; however, your comments on the board seem to be bent more to the left. I'm sorry, but looking back, I can't see much in your posts that would paint you as a moderate, besides you saying that you are. At times, you tend to lump all conservatives together, as if we're all thinking the exact same way.

Also, there are posts like in this thread, where you take a dig at conservatives:
Laugh if you care to, oh foolish ones, but does this give you an inkling of how "Conservatives" are viewed by we simple mortals?

You have a right to your opinion just as everyone else on this board does; I'm not questionining that right, or your right to think whatever you want about the President, the Republican party, etc.

I have no problem with people coming in on either side - I just think your posting history tends to come down heavily on one side...

How about a little context on that quote? It was done in humor.

Here's your quote from the post just before it.

"I'm sorry to say these people are correct - all of us are horrible, vile people.

Now I'm going downtown to beat up some liberals. Anyone want to come with me?

A couple of posts later, I took a little shot at myself. Read on.

Here's another secret. While I'm not a journalist, I worked for many years in newsrooms, and I tend to react adversely to generalizations (like Hoosier and some others) whether they are pro-conservative or pro-liberal.

Besides, Bush is in the news more than anyone else, and as I've pointed out, I don't trust him, so it's just more likely to find (my) negative quotes about him.

As for the Republican Party, I grew up in a Fundamentalist Christian Republican family -- I've never been a part of the Democratic Party. My politics are centered on people -- although I admit that the GOP has leaned a little too far to the right for me recently. And, I'm certainly not fundamentalist -- I worry about that groups widening influence on government.

By the way, I didn't say you branded me -- it was a generic comment. Actually, I was responding to a comment by Phasad.

Check your PMs...this topic could be a thread in and of itself.

Just got the PM message. By the way, I was editing my previous when you posted yours, so you might want to re-read and then comment on my changes if you care to.

Funny, but a lot of people don't consider you a moderate.

No comment. :)

-Rudey