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AXOeva 01-26-2006 11:13 AM

Even my sister who hates musical theater loves Wicked. I think that it resonates with women because we have all felt like Elphaba or Glinda at some point in our lives. The songs really hit home on the feelings women have. The desire to acheive validation in The Wizard and I, the feeling like you are not good enough to be loved in I'm not that Girl, the desire to get to the really good part of your life in One Short Day, the unrelenting push to be yourself in the face of everything in Defying Gravity. I could go on all day.

DeltAlum 01-26-2006 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Into the words
that trip your lip,
and fry your brain,
and sprain your tounge.

Into the words,
a cave so dark,
you better bring a torch in.

Into the words,
the what,
the why,
the where,
the how,
the plot began.

Into the words,
more letters then they sell on "Wheel Of Fortune".

That's funny. How anyone can sing Sondheim is totally beyond me.

As an aside, Daughter number one is Lily in The Secret Garden here in the Denver area at the moment and her husband is directing. Unbelievably great reviews. The really are doing an outstanding job.

She has played Martha three times going back to high school, and we never realized how much her (matured) voice sounds like Lily on the cast CD.

moe.ron 01-31-2006 07:54 AM

Got to love Forbidden Broadway. :)

As for Wicked's lyric:

Nessa, Nessa
I have something to conffess-a

Seriously, that is pathetic.

The melodies, on the other hand, will stick in your head for hours. I can't get POPULAR out of my head.

AlphaFrog 01-31-2006 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by moe.ron
Got to love Forbidden Broadway. :)

As for Wicked's lyric:

Nessa, Nessa
I have something to conffess-a

Seriously, that is pathetic.

The melodies, on the other hand, will stick in your head for hours. I can't get POPULAR out of my head.

I admit that particular line (and there are others too) is pathetic. But you have to admit that "Popular" is a very clever song.

MysticCat 01-31-2006 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by AXOeva
I love Into the Woods!
One of my all-time favorites. (Love Forbidden Broadway, too.)
Quote:

Originally posted by moe.ron
As for Wicked's lyric:

Nessa, Nessa
I have something to conffess-a

Seriously, that is pathetic.

Technically, though, that's not the lyric:

Uh -- Nessa
I've got something to confess, a
reason why, well --
I asked you here tonight.


Sure, it can sound a little hokey if the singer's not careful, but breaking the lines that way is a time honored method -- from Cole Porter to Sondheim (and Dr. Suess) -- of keeping the rhyme scheme interesting and moving.
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Originally posted by DeltAlum
How anyone can sing Sondheim is totally beyond me.
That's one reason I love him. His music is challenging to be sure, but also rewarding, both to sing and to listen to.
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Originally posted by DeltAlum
As an aside, Daughter number one is Lily in The Secret Garden here in the Denver area at the moment and her husband is directing. Unbelievably great reviews. They really are doing an outstanding job.
Very, very cool. Wish I lived closer to Denver.

AlphaFrog 02-06-2006 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by AXOeva
You get a better experience from the book if you read it before you see the musical. I think that you need to consider the book and the musical two different versions of the same story. Just like the book was a different version of the Wizard of Oz, which was a different version of the original L. Frank Baum books.

I happen to looooove both the book and the musical. I read the book in 2003 and then found the soundtrack to the muscial in 2004. I finally saw the musical in NY in the summer of 2005 and practically cried throughout the entire thing, I was so exc ited to see it. I just find the musical very powerful.

I am in the middle of Son of a Witch and can't wait to finish it.

Ok, I've made it about halfway in the book (Glinda, Elphaba, and Nessa have just been "propositioned" by Morrible)...please tell me it gets better....so far it's not what I expected at all. I thought it would be sort of like Harry Potter - meant for teenish age, but older people enjoy it too... I was shocked when I started reading...definately NOT for kids!

DeltAlum 02-06-2006 05:31 PM

Aw, forget the book and enjoy the music. Who cares about storylines anyway.

This is Entertainment, not Literature.

(Waiting for the flames...)

Sister Havana 02-07-2006 12:37 PM

I am going to see it in Chicago in July! :D

GangsterOfLove 02-07-2006 01:58 PM

Re: Wicked--the musical
 
Quote:

Originally posted by carnation
Has anybody seen this musical? I've heard some people praise it and we're considering taking some of the kids but I just found out that the tickets are WAY high.:eek: Is it worth it?
The tickets are more than worth it. The show is absolutely amazing.

You might be able to find a discount on theatermania.com or broadwayoffers.com (you'll have to register). I'm in NYC and I got orchestra seats for $55 each the first time I saw it, which is pretty cheap.

AlphaFrog 02-22-2006 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Aw, forget the book and enjoy the music. Who cares about storylines anyway.

This is Entertainment, not Literature.

(Waiting for the flames...)

Ok, so I finished the book last weekend.

NOT IMPRESSED. You were right DA. Skip the book. (No gloating though:) , not that you'd ever do that;) )

MysticCat 02-22-2006 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Ok, so I finished the book last weekend.

NOT IMPRESSED. You were right DA. Skip the book. (No gloating though:) , not that you'd ever do that;) )

I really liked the book -- very thought provoking and well-done in my opinion. It's a "book club book" -- after you're done with it, you need some people to discuss it with.

The book and the musical are two different things, not unlike the original book and the Judy Garland movie, which as good as the latter is, took some almost unforgivable liberties with the book, I think.

I think it was Joel Gray in Playbill who said Wicked the book is more Don Giovanni while the musical is more The Magic Flute. Both great operas, but one is lighter than the other.

AlphaFrog 02-22-2006 11:30 AM

I noticed that there were "group questions" in the back.

I think my problem with the book was

(Spoiler, so don't scroll if you don't want to know)
































I don't like how they left it with Fiyero at the end of one chapter, then Ephie in the nunnery, and then 3 chapters later you found out Fiyero was dead and maybe Liir was his/her son, maybe not, but probably...I guess basically I went into the book thinking it was going to be a liesurely read, instead of a brain teaser. I think had I known it was more of a thinking book then a pleasure book going into it, I might have enjoyed it more. Oh - and as for Frex thinking of Nessa as his and TurtleHeart's child...that's just creepy.

Marie 02-22-2006 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Havana
I am going to see it in Chicago in July! :D

I just saw it here last night, and the cast was fabulous. You will love it!!!

As for the book v. the musical; they really are two different things. I loved them both, but if you're reading the book after you've seen the musical, then you really do have to realize that they are only loosely related. The book is much much darker and far more thought provoking. While the musical is kid-friendly, the book is definitely not, and you've got to know that going in. Otherwise you're going to be disappointed.

DeltAlum 02-22-2006 01:17 PM

I just saw on the Wicked webpage that Eden Espinosa is playing Elphiba in NY now.

She is amazing!

She was Idina's understudy for a while and then left the show to do the lead in Brooklyn, The Musical which she had helped create here in Denver before it went to Broadway.

I saw it both places and really wish it had done better simply because of great voices in the cast.

If anything, I think she has a better voice than Idina.

(And, yes, I did see Idina in the NYC production -- as well as in RENT in NY. I think she's great, too)

AlphaFrog 05-05-2006 02:06 PM

Ok, I have just lost my mind. I just bid on a pair of tickets for Atlanta from a seller who has NO Feedback, NO Previous sales, and only registered 3 days ago. I only bid $25, but still! I'm going Memorial Day weekend with my mom, but I'd really like for my husband to get to see it too.

Glitter650 05-08-2006 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
I just saw on the Wicked webpage that Eden Espinosa is playing Elphiba in NY now.

She is amazing!

If anything, I think she has a better voice than Idina.

(And, yes, I did see Idina in the NYC production -- as well as in RENT in NY. I think she's great, too)

LOOOOOVVED Eden when I saw her, can't say enough good things about her. I don't know about flat out better voice, but definitely better for the role of Elphaba. IMO, not to knock Idina cause I love her too, but to me Maureen is her role.

DeltAlum 05-08-2006 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Glitter650
...Maureen is her role.
Yeah, she didn't get to "moon" anybody in Wicked.

DeltAlum 05-11-2006 09:35 AM

OK, I was just looking at the Wicked website and tickets are on sale for the London run which starts in early September.

I want to see it in London!

kansas13 05-12-2006 05:23 PM

I saw it in January here in Chicago and now Mr. kansas13 and I are going tomorrow and taking our Mom's for Mothers Day!! I can't wait!!

So far it's playing in Chicago till August. It started summer 2005 and was suppose to end in March, but then they extended it to May and now they just extended it till Aug. I guess if people keep on seeing it here they will keep on extending it!!

chitownxo 05-12-2006 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by kansas13


So far it's playing in Chicago till August. It started summer 2005 and was suppose to end in March, but then they extended it to May and now they just extended it till Aug. I guess if people keep on seeing it here they will keep on extending it!!

I've spent my time between finals and summer school back in the Chicago area (Orland Park) selling tickets for Wicked via Ticketmaster. From what they (ticketmaster) tell us, Wicked may be in Chicago for up to another year. It's still a top seller; the new group of seats went on sale on Sunday(through August), and we sold about $2500 worth. We would have sold more but our system went down at 3:30.

On a personal note, I've seen it twice, and read the book a couple of times as well. I enjoyed both.

kansas13 05-12-2006 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by chitownxo
From what they (ticketmaster) tell us, Wicked may be in Chicago for up to another year.
That's pretty cool!! I know alot of parents at the school where I work would be happy to know that. IMO, looking at all the prices for tickets online and how much they are costing I don't think tickets for here in Chicago are that bad. It is definately a must see if you live in the area or are visiting!!

DeltAlum 05-12-2006 08:38 PM

They're getting set for return engagements in Toronto starting this Fall and here in Denver as well as Tampa, Houston, Dallas, Philadelphia and Boston in the Spring and Summer of 2007!

I still want to see it in London, though.

AlphaFrog 05-29-2006 04:42 PM

Saw it last evening...

It was wonderful, awesome, spetacular.

I was dissapointed at first when I opened my program and two pieces of paper fell out saying that Elphaba would be played by the Standby and Glinda would be played by an understudy...but I actually think they put on a superb performance because they we so excited to be out there. Elphaba even picked up Glinda and swung her around during the curtain call, they were so excited.

Listening to the soundtrack, I was debating if they ever release the rights to amatures before the only role I'm young enough for is Morrible, whether I would rather audition for Elphaba or Glinda. Then As the show started, I made a decision...there is no way in hell you are getting me to sing from that swinging pendulam that Glinda enters in.

If it ever comes anywhere near Charlotte again, I will defineatly be there!!:D :D


Oh, and I got this shirt:
Front:
http://www.wickedmerch.co.uk/images/...ball-front.jpg
Back:
http://www.wickedmerch.co.uk/images/...eball-back.jpg

moe.ron 05-31-2006 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Listening to the soundtrack, I was debating if they ever release the rights to amatures before the only role I'm young enough for is Morrible, whether I would rather audition for Elphaba or Glinda.
I say the rights will be released in about two ecade or when they closed the show on Broadway, . So . . . you'll be old enough to play Morrible. :D :D :D

AlphaFrog 05-31-2006 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
I say the rights will be released in about two ecade or when they closed the show on Broadway, . So . . . you'll be old enough to play Morrible. :D :D :D
Don't remind me...I have already figured on that, but still, I don't need my fantasy ruined.:p :p

ETA: I made the director at my local theatre very aware that she better be first on the list for rights...so I better start practising...

::clears throat:: As press secretary I have striven to ensure that all of Oz knows the story of your braverism.;) :p

moe.ron 05-31-2006 10:35 AM

i just want to be the flying monkeys. not really fond of the show, but i do love them flying monkeys.

AlphaFrog 05-31-2006 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
i just want to be the flying monkeys. not really fond of the show, but i do love them flying monkeys.
You mean you don't want to grow out your hair into long, lovely locks and be Fieryo???;)

moe.ron 05-31-2006 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
You mean you don't want to grow out your hair into long, lovely locks and be Fieryo???;)
Er, with that pants, NOOOO. I'm all about the monkeys.

DeltAlum 05-31-2006 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
You mean you don't want to grow out your hair into long, lovely locks and be Fieryo???;)
We'll let our son do that in NY or on tour now that he has his Equity card. We need to get parts for him so we don't have to support him for the next four years in New York. Or longer.

Rudey 05-31-2006 12:18 PM

DA, do you like nail polish too?

-Rudey

AGDLynn 05-31-2006 03:11 PM

Forgot to say that I saw it in Atl and loved it although the seats weren't as close as I thought they would be, lol.

There were some classic one liners:cool:

I read in the theatre notes that they probably will never make a move although Universal has the movie rights.

We had an understudy for El...Victoria somebody.

Everyone was wonderful!

I started the book before I saw the play but didn't get very far. Hubby finished the over night so I'll start it now.

He'll be in OH for 3 weeks so I can finish it...plus Son of a Witch and Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister.;)

DeltAlum 05-31-2006 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
DA, do you like nail polish too?
Huh? Fiyero is the male lead. Do you know something I don't?

Or, are you trying to get personal?

DeltAlum 06-23-2006 05:13 PM

This just in...

Complete casting has just been announced for the London cast of WICKED. Starring in the production will be Idina Menzel, who will recreate her Tony Award-winning Broadway performance as Elphaba; Helen Dallimore, who will make her West End debut as Glinda; Adam Garcia as Fiyero.

PhiMuAmberkins 06-23-2006 05:26 PM

I just read the book, and would love to see the musical, but I'm a little apprehensive about it, since I LOVED the book so much! Think I'll be disappointed?

That is, of course, if it ever comes anywhere near me. Arkansas doesn't really see a whole lot of Broadway shows coming this way...

AlphaFrog 06-25-2006 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltAlum
This just in...

Complete casting has just been announced for the London cast of WICKED. Starring in the production will be Idina Menzel, who will recreate her Tony Award-winning Broadway performance as Elphaba; Helen Dallimore, who will make her West End debut as Glinda; Adam Garcia as Fiyero.


Yay for Idina!! Adam Garcia?? Hmm...

AlphaFrog 07-06-2006 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ucfpnm
He's the son from "Riding In Cars With Boys", talk about random.

I was more thinking of him in Coyote Ugly...same type role, the "runaway bad-boy" thing, but I'm just imagining him singing... You could easily fake "Dancing Through Life", but "As Long As You're Mine" would NOT be easy to fake your way through.

AlphaFrog 07-06-2006 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ucfpnm
I never saw that one.

Fiyero's such an undeveloped role, but he's not famous enough to be used for "stunt casting" so I guess we should just assume the casting directors know what they're doing. And the more I think about it the more obvious it is that Wicked will succeed there pretty much no matter what- it's just a good show, crowd pleasing, quintessential Broadway.

Did Phantom start at West End or on Broadway?


Broadway.

And I disagree with him being undeveloped. Especially if you read the book. He's got 100% more substance in the musical then the book. It's not a bit-part by any means, but there is some room as to how you play that role.

After going back and looking at pics of Adam, I've decided that it doesn't really matter anyway. He could stand there on the stage and let the musical happen around him, and the ladies wouldn't care one bit.;)

AlphaFrog 07-06-2006 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ucfpnm
Nah, I didn't read the book. It's on my list, though. Eventually. I've heard they're pretty much completely different, in that the musical is a bit more "family friendly" whereas the book is very dark and complex- again, just what I've heard, I've never read a single word of the book. The musical is (in my opinion) at heart, a sweet story about female friendship. There are, of course, subplots concerning racism and propaganda, but to me, E&G's relationship is pretty much the meat of the story.

I've always considered Fiyero to be pretty lame. I dunno. :)

If you LOVED that the musical was a fluffy fairy tale DO NOT read the book, you will hate it. If you enjoyed the political/propaganda of the subplot, you'll love the book, because that's about the only part that stayed true.

Sister Havana 07-07-2006 12:42 AM

I saw Wicked yesterday and LOVED IT.

Kristoffer Cusick (he played Fiyero) is teh hawt.

AlphaFrog 07-07-2006 07:05 AM

Does anyone (and by anyone, I'm thinking I mean DA, but someone else might know) know if they are planning a London cast recording??


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