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Beryana 01-03-2006 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
You are beyond ignorant so I will break it down for you:
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I am SO getting a laugh out of this. A liar, bigot, AND ignorant (BEYONG ignorant even - but to ask a question about that would get to philosophical. . .)! Golly, my life is complete - if only I were able to refer to myself in third person for the same length of time! And to be able to use present to refer to past events - wow! Such enlightenment I shall never hope to attain!

I actually HAVE answered your question about 'very few' - you have just chosen to ignore it and continue to harp. Mind you that is a catch-22 since without that point being ingored I would not be so completely amused.

Am I hypocritical for requesting answers to questions that I have asked when I have alledgedly ignored questions asked of me - or am I just rhetorical?

Rudey 01-03-2006 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by Beryana
I am SO getting a laugh out of this. A liar, bigot, AND ignorant (BEYONG ignorant even - but to ask a question about that would get to philosophical. . .)! Golly, my life is complete - if only I were able to refer to myself in third person for the same length of time! And to be able to use present to refer to past events - wow! Such enlightenment I shall never hope to attain!

I actually HAVE answered your question about 'very few' - you have just chosen to ignore it and continue to harp. Mind you that is a catch-22 since without that point being ingored I would not be so completely amused.

Am I hypocritical for requesting answers to questions that I have asked when I have alledgedly ignored questions asked of me - or am I just rhetorical?

Please repeat and tell me what "very few" means in numbers.

You don't know canon law and don't know the numbers so you copy-and-paste from websites which provide no answers.

Hey Beryana, where is the word bigot used? I just want a refresher.

Keep laughing ignorant one. I outlined all the details of our conversation for you.

-Rudey
--Hey I heard when Mao starved several million people, just as many Catholics suffered in Vatican city.

Beryana 01-04-2006 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Please repeat and tell me what "very few" means in numbers.

You don't know canon law and don't know the numbers so you copy-and-paste from websites which provide no answers.

Hey Beryana, where is the word bigot used? I just want a refresher.

Keep laughing ignorant one. I outlined all the details of our conversation for you.

-Rudey
--Hey I heard when Mao starved several million people, just as many Catholics suffered in Vatican city.

Since I am not allowed to cut and paste from websites I am not even allowed to quote myself. I would not mind having a copy of your souces of information so that I can attempt to climb out of the bowels of ignorance (or, if I am beyond ignorance does that mean this information would allow me to climb INTO the bowels of ignorance on my path to enlightenment?) Seriously, I would like a copy of your information source to add to my Church/European history library.

I actually found your 'outline' very amusing (those were bullet-point 'summaries', by the way, not an outline). Since you are OBVIOUSLY a Canon Lawyer, Roman Catholic Church Historian, Catholic Theologian, and all-knowing does it really matter what I know, think, believe, etc?

Rudey 01-04-2006 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by Beryana
Since I am not allowed to cut and paste from websites I am not even allowed to quote myself. I would not mind having a copy of your souces of information so that I can attempt to climb out of the bowels of ignorance (or, if I am beyond ignorance does that mean this information would allow me to climb INTO the bowels of ignorance on my path to enlightenment?) Seriously, I would like a copy of your information source to add to my Church/European history library.

I actually found your 'outline' very amusing (those were bullet-point 'summaries', by the way, not an outline). Since you are OBVIOUSLY a Canon Lawyer, Roman Catholic Church Historian, Catholic Theologian, and all-knowing does it really matter what I know, think, believe, etc?

Great way to avoid answering.

In summation, the inquisition was an awful massacre where many people died. We hope the Church will never be involved in such a tragedy again.

-Rudey

Beryana 01-04-2006 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Great way to avoid answering.

In summation, the inquisition was an awful massacre where many people died. We hope the Church will never be involved in such a tragedy again.

-Rudey

One of the first things you have said that makes sense - despite it needing editing. Too bad your tangent on the Inquisitions has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread!

with regards to avoiding answering - I picked up pointers from you. :)

RACooper 01-04-2006 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Can you address the study I posted that distinguished between several thousand killed through churches? I'm actually interested in knowing how they got around it.

Okay I've browsed through his "work" today at the library... it's disappointing to see such shoddy scholarly research passed off as credible research - the shame of politics can strike anywhere I guess.

Basically the guy's numbers don't match up at all with many of the primary sources or records of the Inquisitional courts themselves... his numbers for the total trials in Spain are off by almost 50% - but I guess he can "claim" the other courts weren't Church courts because they were joint courts with the secular monarch.

About the only use for his findings are the bibliography - at least it can lead to further and more enlightening research...

Rudey 01-04-2006 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Okay I've browsed through his "work" today at the library... it's disappointing to see such shoddy scholarly research passed off as credible research - the shame of politics can strike anywhere I guess.

Basically the guy's numbers don't match up at all with many of the primary sources or records of the Inquisitional courts themselves... his numbers for the total trials in Spain are off by almost 50% - but I guess he can "claim" the other courts weren't Church courts because they were joint courts with the secular monarch.

About the only use for his findings are the bibliography - at least it can lead to further and more enlightening research...

Unfortunately, it's you against him. He is a scholar on the subject and this study was sponsored by the Church. It actually provides numbers on the low end also.

Either way, the point was that "Very few" did not die as some may lie, many did, and it was a tragedy.

-Rudey


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