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lifesaver 12-30-2005 09:27 PM

Re: Re: mission accomplished
 
Quote:

Originally posted by RedRoseSAI
In various parts of Spain, an "x" is often pronounced as "sh". If you want to go to a champagne bar in Barcelona, you ask for the nearest "sham-pan-yera", not a "zam-pan-yera".

How is a Spanish X pronounced?

Also around these parts the spanish X can also be pronounced as the J sound, as in "huh" (in spanish, J is often peonounced as an H). The alternate spelling of Jiminez (last name) is Ximines. The main campus entry road from the south is Edward Ximines Drive. I did 5 years there before I figured out that it was pronounced 'he-men-ess' not 'zim-ens' (using the english zee sound for X, like in Xerox.)

On the government screwing up birthdates, one of my brothers from college is Vietnamiese and his family emigrated here int he early 80's. If you get to the US without proof of your birthday (an governemnt issued birth certificate, baptism certificate, etc.) the US government assigns you Jan. 1 as your birthdate. I've come across about 5 different people who had Jan 1 birthdays because of that.

Erik P Conard 12-31-2005 04:04 AM

ximenez
 
the "x" enigma in Spanish...
Ximenez in old Spanish was "Shee-may-ness"
It is a complicated topic with many side streets.
The University of Illinois had an interesting linguistic
facility replete with phonologists and other ho-hum
pursuits. After a while, though, unless one came from lots
of old money, a $200,000 yearly income looked better.
Genealogy affords us all many avenues to pursue and a
site like this offers a sampling.
The words borrowed from other languages does indeed
complicate things, and like the cited 'champagne' one, a
strange pronunciation of the word may be offered just to
show all that that person is 'well-traveled.'
oh, yes, is it "jeen-e-ology" or "gin-e-ology?"
Even zoology majors stumble...and say ZOO-ol-o-gee, when it
is ZO-ol-o-gee. You still awake?
If we had an Academy like the French or Icelandics, perhaps this
discussion would not be as tepid.

Buttonz 12-31-2005 05:29 AM

No one can spell my name right. The end of 6th grade, a teacher I had for almost two full years, splet it Karen when she left me comemnts aobut my paper...it was on top of the page my name even :rolleyes:

It's Caryn, thank you very much.

btb87 12-31-2005 12:39 PM

Took my little one out to eat 2 weeks ago, and was wearing a Sorority t-shirt. So the waitress tells me that she's in a sorority, and tells me that it's "Alpha Fee" - of course I'd never heard Phi pronounced "fee" before.

Also, I've heard lots of older folks pronounce Omega as "O-mee-ga". Any of you heard this before?

Senusret I 12-31-2005 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by btb87
Also, I've heard lots of older folks pronounce Omega as "O-mee-ga". Any of you heard this before?
One of your sorors, who was the librarian at my high school, used to say O-mee-ga. And her (now deceased) husband was a Que as well, so I don't know if she was being funny or what.

Peaches-n-Cream 12-31-2005 02:49 PM

Re: Re: Re: forenames (first names)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by honeychile
Okay, I can said something like five words in Gaelic (Nollag Dhuit, btw!), but I get confused with the "sh" sound - how does Siobhan get to be pronounced "Chev-on"? And how are Maeve & Mairead pronounced?

I honestly think that some parents who were saddled with common names as kids go out of their way to make their own children's name a little different to make them stand out. Unfortunately, it just makes them look like poor spellers (or worse!).


And Erik, yes, genealogy DOES personalize history! I intend to make it my second career!

Siobhan is pronounced Shiv-awn.
S=Sh sound bh=v sound

Maeve is pronounced Mayv One syllable. It is also spelled Maebh.

Mairead is pronounced Mawr-aid.

RedRoseSAI 12-31-2005 10:20 PM

Re: ximenez
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Erik P Conard

The words borrowed from other languages does indeed
complicate things, and like the cited 'champagne' one, a
strange pronunciation of the word may be offered just to
show all that that person is 'well-traveled.'


Yes, you're correct Erik. The Spanish started pronouncing the X as "sh" merely to show that I am well traveled. Thanks, Spaniards! You may now go back to pronouncing "X" in an Erik-approved manner.

Erik P Conard 01-01-2006 11:46 AM

thank you, eye-o-tah
 
The Erik-approved pronunciation of the Spanish X goes back a
bit further in Spanish, and whether I or you like it or not, it is
a fact.
Erik P Conard, A.M., Spanish Linguistics, U of IL, 1965

honeychile 01-01-2006 12:06 PM

Okay, let's try this one out: Oaxaca, Mexico. If you've been there, you know it's Wah-HAW-ca, May-E-co.

Just like English, many letters/dipthongs have different sounds.

RedRoseSAI 01-01-2006 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by honeychile
Okay, let's try this one out: Oaxaca, Mexico. If you've been there, you know it's Wah-HAW-ca, May-E-co.

honeychile, please stop offering up strange pronunciations just to show all that you are well-traveled.

</sarcasm>

honeychile 01-01-2006 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedRoseSAI
honeychile, please stop offering up strange pronunciations just to show all that you are well-traveled.

</sarcasm>

Well travelled?! Me?! Now I'll be laughing all day!


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