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DSTinguished1 01-10-2006 09:46 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by PerroLoco
. . .what about the money"? STOP PIMPIN' YOURSELVES. If we don't participate, there is no draw and they will quickly go back to the previous rules. I'm not spending 0, 20 dollars, ride in from out of town, roadtrip, etc to see some damn KKY, The Jets and the Sharks, or the Gay Pride Step Team, nor First Baptist Holy Ghost Bible Fellowship Full Gospel Tabernacle House of Praise and Chicken step team.

Be elite, be the best, or be mediocre.
/hikack

You are fool for this...:D :D

/end hijack

MissMonika 01-10-2006 10:35 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is stepping in the same show as "GDI's" or service frats wrong?
 
Quote:
Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Just make sure you don't let the Swings and the GSSs whoop your asses in the competition. :rolleyes:


~ That's real. Don't make this much of a fuss and then let them beat you. That would be worse than boycotting...

AKA2D '91 01-10-2006 10:55 AM
They don't have to compete. They can entertain.

When I was in school (the only group affected), KKY entertained the crowd while the judges deliberated. :D

At the last home coming step shwo I attended, a church group from the Midwest was invited to do the same. :o :D

BLUTANG 01-10-2006 11:02 AM
dangit, don't make me laugh at my own bruhs!

Quote:
Originally posted by AKA2D '91
They don't have to compete. They can entertain.

When I was in school (the only group affected), KKY entertained the crowd while the judges deliberated. :D

DSTCHAOS 01-10-2006 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by AKA2D '91
They don't have to compete. They can entertain.

When I was in school (the only group affected), KKY entertained the crowd while the judges deliberated. :D

At the last home coming step shwo I attended, a church group from the Midwest was invited to do the same. :o :D
You're right and many stepshows use those teams as exhibitions instead of competition. Many people won't pay to see the Girl Scouts step in a competition......

AKA2D '91 01-10-2006 12:17 PM
lol. ohhhhhhhhh...I'm watching for the lightning AGAIN!

For our entertainment pleasure, I'd expect to see the church's Usher Board #1 compete. Remember those? I heard recently that those still exist.

sigmadiva 01-10-2006 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
Money? Wow.

My status is worth more than money to me. Those others are not on our level. You mean to tell me that a $100 entrance fee (multiplied by however many orgs are allowed) is worth more than the status of our organizations? They should be trying to get on our level, but we shouldn't be inviting them to the Penthouse suite.
Seeing as that I have been a judge for a step show hosted by your sisters at the University of Houston (Zeta Delta Chapter of DST), I would think they (ZD) would be very interested in the ticket sales ($$$) and entrance fee ($$$) assesed to each group who stepped. That is to say, the money that was raised for the chapter by the step show they hosted.

sigmadiva 01-10-2006 02:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
But the "big picture" as you presented it was all about money, which is sad.
Hosting a step show can be a lot of work for a chapter. I remember from by undergrad days, the KAPsi chapter at Texas A&M hosted a 'Komedy Jam' and the APhiA chapter hosted a 'Miss Black and Gold pagent'. Both were very good fundraisers for each chapter.

I'd rather see us (NPHC) orgs hosting such events because they are popular and we can profit from them. At then end of the day money is green, and I'm sure it would look better in our chapter accounts than someone else's.

If the step team from Rollo's Chicken and Waffle Shack wanna step, let 'em. Because 1) they have to pay to be there and 2) ~somebody~ will actually pay to see them step. As long as all that money is going into your chapter account, don't sweat who steps. If we (NPHC) are as good and elite as we say we are, then it should not be a problem who steps with us or not, since we would blow them away anyway.

MissMonika 01-10-2006 03:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sigmadiva
Hosting a step show can be a lot of work for a chapter. I remember from by undergrad days, the KAPsi chapter at Texas A&M hosted a 'Komedy Jam' and the APhiA chapter hosted a 'Miss Black and Gold pagent'. Both were very good fundraisers for each chapter.

I'd rather see us (NPHC) orgs hosting such events because they are popular and we can profit from them. At then end of the day money is green, and I'm sure it would look better in our chapter accounts than someone else's.

If the step team from Rollo's Chicken and Waffle Shack wanna step, let 'em. Because 1) they have to pay to be there and 2) ~somebody~ will actually pay to see them step. As long as all that money is going into your chapter account, don't sweat who steps. If we (NPHC) are as good and elite as we say we are, then it should not be a problem who steps with us or not, since we would blow them away anyway.
AMEN and AMEN

DSTCHAOS 01-10-2006 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by sigmadiva
If the step team from Rollo's Chicken and Waffle Shack wanna step, let 'em. Because 1) they have to pay to be there and 2) ~somebody~ will actually pay to see them step. As long as all that money is going into your chapter account, don't sweat who steps. If we (NPHC) are as good and elite as we say we are, then it should not be a problem who steps with us or not, since we would blow them away anyway.
Meanwhile, the "art of stepping" and other traditions become a joke. A Saturday Night Live skit. To the point that a lot of people will stop wanting to attend these types of fundraisers if "Ray Ray's Hair Cuttery" will be competing. I've seen the results of people losing interest in stepshows because they were packaged poorly. [As an aside: I started boycotting most stepshows 7 years ago because "they don't step no mo...all they do is dance." It has to be one helluva event and a convincing argument to get my attendance.]

Whatever happened to that "bigger picture" everyone was talking about? Can't it apply to both sides of the discussion?

Now, as was already stated in this thread, a step exhibition is a slightly different dynamic. I still don't want to see Ray Ray's up in there.

sigmadiva 01-10-2006 04:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Meanwhile, the "art of stepping" and other traditions become a joke. A Saturday Night Live skit. To the point that a lot of people will stop wanting to attend these types of fundraisers if "Ray Ray's Hair Cuttery" will be competing. I've seen the results of people losing interest in stepshows because they were packaged poorly. [As an aside: I started boycotting most stepshows 7 years ago because "they don't step no mo...all they do is dance." It has to be one helluva event and a convincing argument to get my attendance.]

Whatever happened to that "bigger picture" everyone was talking about? Can't it apply to both sides of the discussion?

Now, as was already stated in this thread, a step exhibition is a slightly different dynamic. I still don't want to see Ray Ray's up in there.
Maybe that is the way you see it. Bottom line, people / groups will still step somewhere . I'd much rather have those people / groups pay us (NPHC) than some other org. It was said earlier in this thread that if we (NPHC) host the event, then we can set the rules, so the stepshows we (NPHC) host should never (in theory) become a joke - as long as we (NPHC) are setting the standards.

So, we can set the standards and still make money.

Think of it this way: If you consider Harvard U the best school in the nation, do you think the board of trustees at Harvard are worrying about 'Littletown' Community College offering freshman lit, just like Harvard? I doubt it. Because Harvard has set it's standards and they stick to it. Are people more willing now to go to 'Littletown' Community College than Harvard? Not always. People still want to go to Harvard for the prestige and high standards, if you will.

bro_strawter 01-10-2006 05:35 PM
Re: Re: I rest my case
 
Quote:
Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Spoken like a true, black APO member.
Umm, what exactly is that suppose to mean?

DSTCHAOS 01-10-2006 06:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sigmadiva
Maybe that is the way you see it. Bottom line, people / groups will still step somewhere . I'd much rather have those people / groups pay us (NPHC) than some other org. It was said earlier in this thread that if we (NPHC) host the event, then we can set the rules, so the stepshows we (NPHC) host should never (in theory) become a joke - as long as we (NPHC) are setting the standards.

So, we can set the standards and still make money.

Think of it this way: If you consider Harvard U the best school in the nation, do you think the board of trustees at Harvard are worrying about 'Littletown' Community College offering freshman lit, just like Harvard? I doubt it. Because Harvard has set it's standards and they stick to it. Are people more willing now to go to 'Littletown' Community College than Harvard? Not always. People still want to go to Harvard for the prestige and high standards, if you will.
Not a good analogy. Let me know when you can think up a better one. :)

I agree with you about the money aspect, if that's the biggest picture you can see. :)

DSTCHAOS 01-10-2006 06:27 PM
Re: Re: Re: I rest my case
 
Quote:
Originally posted by bro_strawter
Umm, what exactly is that suppose to mean?
What do you want it to mean?

Senusret I 01-10-2006 09:06 PM
Re: Re: Re: I rest my case
 
Quote:
Originally posted by bro_strawter
Umm, what exactly is that suppose to mean?
You're better than this debate, Frat. Not even worth the effort.

Rain Man 01-10-2006 10:49 PM
Cool
 
Quote:
Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Those of you who do have a "big picture" to see should definitely try to see it. This doesn't mean you HAVE to want to step against GSS or Swing Phi Swing but it means that you will 1) do it anyway because it benefits you and yours or 2) be more diplomatic in your refusal to do so.

Just make sure you don't let the Swings and the GSSs whoop your asses in the competition. :rolleyes:
Now we're being more diplomatic in here. I like that, I like that.

I mean, woe be unto a group that lets the Swings or GSS give the NPHC a tail whuppin', 'cause should that ever happen, shame on ya' behind.

OTOH, you are right, you have every right not to participate in a stepshow with non-NPHC groups participating. After all, if you can't take the heat, get outta' the kitchen. :cool:

Rain Man 01-10-2006 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by Senusret I
You're better than this debate, Frat. Not even worth the effort.
I see your point, Frat, but OTOH if Strawter can handle this sista (read: DSTCHAOS) better than I can, more power to him.

Represent, Frat.

*steps out of the thread.....for now*

sigmadiva 01-10-2006 11:23 PM
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Not a good analogy. Let me know when you can think up a better one. :)

Darlin', I don't think I could ever come up with one good enough for you ;)



I agree with you about the money aspect, if that's the biggest picture you can see. :) [/QUOTE]

Yeah, money is pretty big.

DSTCHAOS 01-11-2006 12:29 AM
Re: Re: Re: Re: I rest my case
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Senusret I
You're better than this debate, Frat. Not even worth the effort.
:)

DSTCHAOS 01-11-2006 12:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sigmadiva
Darlin', I don't think I could ever come up with one good enough for you ;)
I was teasing. The analogy only sucked a little. I got your point. :)

ladygreek 01-11-2006 03:46 AM
Wow, I am just now reading this thread. I guess I did not realize that step shows are such big business.

But here is my take on it. I don't like any step show that is too long and redundant--that's where the boredom sets in. So if opening it up means a four hour step show, or the quality is compromised you have lost me anyway. Because to me it is not a matter of who is stepping--D9 or non-D9, but how entertaining the show is.

So since step shows are now big business, I believe that teams should be pre-screened and selected based on their expertise in stepping, not because they can pay an entry fee. (A business needs to attract customers, so the focus should be on which vendors will attract the most customers, imo.)

And yes, this would mean having potential stepping groups submit video tapes of their previous performances to a panel, and listing previous shows and the results, if applicable.

How do new steppers get the experience, you ask? By perfoming in exhibitions, and non-competitive shows.

As for the original question--you do need to look at what will be the possible ramifications from boycotting. After all, your chapter has to exist within the University system long after the step show is over. Pick you battles wisely. For me a step show just does not seem like the proper battle.

Rain Man 01-11-2006 06:00 PM
Excellent post, ladygreek. Very well said.

marquise1911 01-11-2006 08:49 PM
I'm reading your replies and I must admit I see both sides of the line drawn in the burning sands. I don't want to compete against groups or organizations. Another frat, I would have no problem whoopin' some tail. But is tradition more important than progression. Some feel that we are becoming too caught up in the past and the way things used to be. I say some of the past needs to be retained or we run the risk of not having a future. I'm waiting for the university's decision. I will not be stepping against the Brown Hall Step Team (don't even ask), but lambda sigma upsilon can bring it any day.

Senusret I 01-11-2006 09:26 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by marquise1911
but lambda sigma upsilon can bring it any day.
:eek:

They're GOOD! At least, they were very very good when they stepped at my school. I believe it was their national step team at the time. I repeat....a very good team.

K.O.T.S 01-12-2006 04:20 PM
i feel that you can't say you're the best until you beat, or at least compete against, the best (which can sometimes be the rest). {did not mean to rhyme}. for example, the NFL could not actually say it was the best until it competed against the AFL, or NBA vs. ABA, or even universities admitting women and minorities into their programs. if your competition is limited, than are you really competing against the best to be considered the best? with that being said however, it is at times difficult to have NPHC teams compete against non-NPHC teams b/c of some of the unspoken rules that apply to NPHC teams and not non-NPHC teams, such as Nupes stepping with canes. you most likely wont see Omegas or Alphas step with them b/c they are considered the "NUPEs thing", likewise with the Omegas sitting on the chest of another Omega and stepping, or the Alphas doing their train. other NPHC teams won't do some of these moves b/c they are somewhat off limits, but non-NPHC teams probably will b/c to them it is fair game. which can be seen as an unfair advantage b/c they get to take, use, and "remix" other NPHC moves. it becomes a situation of do the "unspoken" rules apply to them since they are not NPHC.

Boom_Quack13 01-12-2006 08:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by MissMonika
It's not about money actually.

It could be as little as Room access or as big as being labled as the non-cooperative group.


The facts are the following:

* It does come to money in one way: Since the University is paying for the event, Then they can determine the rules in anyway the see fit. Since we are in the "Diversity" phase, this was bound to happen. If the Other organizatons kick up too much of a fuss (or even if the University Administration fuss), because of the Federal Funding the University receives. They can "diversify" any event they feel does not represent the wholeness of the University (I used to work in the Student Affairs office).

* In order to have a "pure" NPHC Stepshow, The NPHC must pay for it in full without University funding (following the Golden rule: the person with the gold makes the rules).

* Because the Black Population is not the largest (My assumption), it is up to all organizations to work the Collegiate Hustle. One way that campus politics wouldn't be necessary would be if the Alumni/Graduate chapters and Community Organizations in the area will be able to pick up the clout they may lose as a consequence of their actions.

If it can happen where I was (in CA), it can happen anywere. Room Reservations were "lost", rules were changed in Programing Procedures "suddenly, and credibility with faculty (in the Birthplace of the Black Studies College Cirriculum) was weaning.
Not trying to be funny, but I was talking to Sigmadive. Sigmadive presented it as money being the bottomline. I understood where you were coming from.

Boom_Quack13 01-12-2006 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by sigmadiva
Seeing as that I have been a judge for a step show hosted by your sisters at the University of Houston (Zeta Delta Chapter of DST), I would think they (ZD) would be very interested in the ticket sales ($$$) and entrance fee ($$$) assesed to each group who stepped. That is to say, the money that was raised for the chapter by the step show they hosted.
Please tell me what that has to do with my point.

Boom_Quack13 01-12-2006 08:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sigmadiva
Hosting a step show can be a lot of work for a chapter. I remember from by undergrad days, the KAPsi chapter at Texas A&M hosted a 'Komedy Jam' and the APhiA chapter hosted a 'Miss Black and Gold pagent'. Both were very good fundraisers for each chapter.

I'd rather see us (NPHC) orgs hosting such events because they are popular and we can profit from them. At then end of the day money is green, and I'm sure it would look better in our chapter accounts than someone else's.

If the step team from Rollo's Chicken and Waffle Shack wanna step, let 'em. Because 1) they have to pay to be there and 2) ~somebody~ will actually pay to see them step. As long as all that money is going into your chapter account, don't sweat who steps. If we (NPHC) are as good and elite as we say we are, then it should not be a problem who steps with us or not, since we would blow them away anyway.


You'll never see Whitney or Mariah singing karaoke at your neighborhood bar and grill on karaoke night.

You can't be all yoked up with everybody. There is a definite seperation, and I embrace it.

Boom_Quack13 01-12-2006 08:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by sigmadiva
Maybe that is the way you see it. Bottom line, people / groups will still step somewhere . I'd much rather have those people / groups pay us (NPHC) than some other org. It was said earlier in this thread that if we (NPHC) host the event, then we can set the rules, so the stepshows we (NPHC) host should never (in theory) become a joke - as long as we (NPHC) are setting the standards.

So, we can set the standards and still make money.

Think of it this way: If you consider Harvard U the best school in the nation, do you think the board of trustees at Harvard are worrying about 'Littletown' Community College offering freshman lit, just like Harvard? I doubt it. Because Harvard has set it's standards and they stick to it. Are people more willing now to go to 'Littletown' Community College than Harvard? Not always. People still want to go to Harvard for the prestige and high standards, if you will.
And Harvard makes sure to keep the distinction. They may both offer freshman lit, but I assure you that they don't offer it together.

MissMonika 01-12-2006 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
Not trying to be funny, but I was talking to Sigmadive. Sigmadive presented it as money being the bottomline. I understood where you were coming from.

No Problem...

sigmadiva 01-12-2006 10:25 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
Please tell me what that has to do with my point.

You have a point?:o

sigmadiva 01-12-2006 10:27 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is stepping in the same show as "GDI's" or service frats wron
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
You'll never see Whitney or Mariah singing karaoke at your neighborhood bar and grill on karaoke night.

You can't be all yoked up with everybody. There is a definite seperation, and I embrace it.

Well, with the way Whitney is going, a karaoke bar may be her next appearance.

sigmadiva 01-12-2006 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
And Harvard makes sure to keep the distinction. They may both offer freshman lit, but I assure you that they don't offer it together.
That is what I meant. That there is a distinction between the two. Both schools offer the same / similar course, but clearly one is 'better' because of the standards they have.

As long as NPHC maintains its standards, then why really worry about others.

Dionysus 01-12-2006 10:40 PM
We should end this thread and talk about something else, because DIONYSUS finds it boring!

Boom_Quack13 01-12-2006 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by sigmadiva
You have a point?:o
Yeah, but you probably missed it, because you were too busy dancing around it.

Boom_Quack13 01-12-2006 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by sigmadiva
Well, with the way Whitney is going, a karaoke bar may be her next appearance.
And with the way NPHC Greeks like you think, our traditions will be reduced in the same way.

Boom_Quack13 01-12-2006 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by sigmadiva
That is what I meant. That there is a distinction between the two. Both schools offer the same / similar course, but clearly one is 'better' because of the standards they have.

As long as NPHC maintains its standards, then why really worry about others.
Keeping that distinction and upholding our traditions are a part of maintaining our standards.

Boom_Quack13 01-12-2006 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Dionysus
We should end this thread and talk about something else, because DIONYSUS finds it boring!
LMAO!!!!

Well, Dionysus has about a million other threads s/he can read, instead of this one. ;)

sigmadiva 01-13-2006 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
Yeah, but you probably missed it, because you were too busy dancing around it.
I doubt it. I hate to admit that I am not a very good dancer.

sigmadiva 01-13-2006 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by Boom_Quack13
And with the way NPHC Greeks like you think, our traditions will be reduced in the same way.
I'm touched that you have read so deeply into what I say. I've never had such devotion as this. :) Will you be my disciple?


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