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RACooper 12-13-2005 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by hoosier
This may be an urban legend, but I don't think it's true.

Fine, I'll name one - Ruben Cantu
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120200146.html

AKA_Monet 12-13-2005 05:04 PM

Y'all are surprisingly nice today. Not so much facist rhetoric going around, just the usual "do the sentencing" thing...

However, I do think most, if not all the media that were allowed to "share in the experience of an execution"--especially for the first-timers, were quite disgusted by the whole process.

I dunno what I think about the victim's families. They will probably feel justice has been served.

But, knowing how LA groupthink works, especially in South Central LA, do NOT allow A BREACH of innocence regarding Tookie to invade--not even it's appearance to come to light...

Because although many denied it during the "vigils", all I got to say is "burn baby burn". That is the only way the SSchwarzenegger will understand...

However, there will be plenty of money to be made from the gansta rappers--especially since Lil' Eazy E, the Prince of Compton, is coming out with his album...

And who knows, Fiddy Pennies might die tryin' to get rich with a shift in rap.

The thing I worry about is the kids headed in a dangerous direction. Most of you folks ever have been to or lived in the 'hood of Florence, Normandy and Crenshaw...

It will be different than 1992 though... But oh well... Either way, LA as well as California will have issues to deal with...

Then again, maybe you all are right. Nothing will happen. It never does. It doesn't really matter. It makes no difference. Same as it ever was.

Which is why I am sick of all of this...

hoosier 12-14-2005 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Fine, I'll name one - Ruben Cantu
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120200146.html

Hope it's not true, but the key word is 'suspect':

"Opponents of the death penalty suspect that Cantu may be what they have long expected to find: an innocent person put to death"

Kevlar281 12-21-2005 05:41 AM

http://www.zombietime.com/tookie/

Interesting photo commentary on the Tookie protests and by interesting I mean funny.

kstar 12-21-2005 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by hoosier
This may be an urban legend, but I don't think it's true.

If there actually was a single case, Mike Farrell and Snoop Dog would have made sure we heard about it (repeatedly)

Sorry, apparently the case I was thinking about was a wrongful imprisonment/malicious prosectuion, of a guy who sat on death row for 20 years for a rape/murder. The state had refused DNA testing be done, and later when he paid for it, it set him free.

He did win the lawsuit against the state.

Lindz928 12-21-2005 10:41 AM

Ok, I don't give a shit about arguing semantics, or listening to statistics.....

All I know is if someone that I love were murdered, and they knew who did it, I would want them put to death. I would watch.

Hate me all you want, call me barbaric if you want....

PiKA2001 12-21-2005 03:23 PM

FREE TOOKIE!!!! oh wait the motherf*ckers already dead.shit. All that Tookie did was kill 4 people for a combined total of $220 cash. And there were all of those attacks on prison gaurds and inmates back in the 80's. I'm glad some people(gov.) can see past his crocidile tears and give him the fate he deserves.

ZetaGirl22 12-21-2005 11:39 PM

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Also, the goal of the penal system is rehabilitation. The death penalty was originally intended for those that could not be rehabilitated. Now, unfortunately it is all about vengence. [/B]
If this is the case, I don't know why the heck they dont just execute child molesters and rapists b/c the rate of recidivism is SO high, and it seems like we're letting them out all the time and they keep on doing the same things.............

honeychile 12-21-2005 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by ZetaGirl22
If this is the case, I don't know why the heck they dont just execute child molesters and rapists b/c the rate of recidivism is SO high, and it seems like we're letting them out all the time and they keep on doing the same things.............
Your question intrigues me. Every study that I've ever read says that child molesters cannot be rehabilitated (there was one "iffy" one about rapists). Frankly, I'd rather see a dead child molester than having the victim turn into the predator etc etc. It sounds so cold blooded - but what could be more cold blooded than destroying the psyche of a child?

kstar 12-22-2005 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by ZetaGirl22
If this is the case, I don't know why the heck they dont just execute child molesters and rapists b/c the rate of recidivism is SO high, and it seems like we're letting them out all the time and they keep on doing the same things.............
Because, at least in the case of pedophiles, they themselves were usually abused as a child, and have suffered severe psychological damage because of it. They can only be attracted to a child because of the "innocence." They cannot be put to death in this case, because the requisites are not met: sane and competent.

AOIIBrandi 12-22-2005 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by kstar
Because, at least in the case of pedophiles, they themselves were usually abused as a child, and have suffered severe psychological damage because of it. They can only be attracted to a child because of the "innocence." They cannot be put to death in this case, because the requisites are not met: sane and competent.
/*hijack

If this is the case (not sane, nor competent) why are we putting them in Gen Pop and not into a mental institution? Seems to me they were deemed sane and competent enough to stand trial and be sentenced as such.

/*end hijack

Rudey 12-22-2005 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by kstar
Because, at least in the case of pedophiles, they themselves were usually abused as a child, and have suffered severe psychological damage because of it. They can only be attracted to a child because of the "innocence." They cannot be put to death in this case, because the requisites are not met: sane and competent.
Do you ever actually not make things up?

-Rudey

valkyrie 12-22-2005 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by kstar
They can only be attracted to a child because of the "innocence." They cannot be put to death in this case, because the requisites are not met: sane and competent.
Citation?

dzrose93 12-22-2005 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by honeychile
Your question intrigues me. Every study that I've ever read says that child molesters cannot be rehabilitated (there was one "iffy" one about rapists). Frankly, I'd rather see a dead child molester than having the victim turn into the predator etc etc. It sounds so cold blooded - but what could be more cold blooded than destroying the psyche of a child?
I'd rather see a child molester given the death penalty any day of the week rather than run the risk of him/her getting out and harming another child. Same goes for rapists. I know that a lot of folks disagree with me, but I honestly think the only problem with the death penalty in this country is that it's not used often enough.

irishpipes 12-22-2005 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by dzrose93
I honestly think the only problem with the death penalty in this country is that it's not used often enough.
That sounds kind of funny with your "temperance" signature right underneath it. :)

dzrose93 12-23-2005 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by irishpipes
That sounds kind of funny with your "temperance" signature right underneath it. :)
Yeah, you're right. I guess at first glance it does seem a little odd... but from the online Merriam-Webster dictionary, temperance is defined as:

1 : moderation in action, thought, or feeling : RESTRAINT
2 a : habitual moderation in the indulgence of the appetites or passions b : moderation in or abstinence from the use of intoxicating drink


My comments in the previous post were actually moderate when compared to how I really feel about how violent criminals such as murderers, child molesters, and rapists should be punished. I really did show restraint by not saying more. ;)

:)
dzrose93

honeychile 12-23-2005 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by dzrose93


My comments in the previous post were actually moderate when compared to how I really feel about how violent criminals such as murderers, child molesters, and rapists should be punished. I really did show restraint by not saying more. ;)

:)
dzrose93

I used to write part-time for a children's show, and somehow, I got all the "stranger danger" stuff. It got to the point that I had so much hate for the scum who would harm a child that I finally started really praying about how much hate I had in my heart. Then, I realized that, no matter what our penal system could do to these miserable freaks, what they face in the afterlife will be a million times worse.

Actually, it's the ONLY way I can handle it!

dzrose93 12-23-2005 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by honeychile
I used to write part-time for a children's show, and somehow, I got all the "stranger danger" stuff. It got to the point that I had so much hate for the scum who would harm a child that I finally started really praying about how much hate I had in my heart. Then, I realized that, no matter what our penal system could do to these miserable freaks, what they face in the afterlife will be a million times worse.

Actually, it's the ONLY way I can handle it!

You're absolutely right, honeychile. There's a special place reserved for those "people."

Rudey 12-23-2005 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by dzrose93
You're absolutely right, honeychile. There's a special place reserved for those "people."
Bobby's bedroom closet?

-Rudey

BobbyTheDon 12-23-2005 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Bobby's bedroom closet?

-Rudey

:)

R Kelly?

I'm trapped in da CLOSSSSET!

sugar and spice 12-23-2005 04:15 PM

I finally read through this thread, and wow, y'all are some bizarre people. It strikes me as very odd that anyone who believes in God would believe that it is a human's right to decide who should live and who should die. I mean, if you believe that God will ultimately punish this man in the afterlife, why are you worrying about how we dole out punishment for him on earth? It seems rather short-sighted . . .


Those of you who aren't religious probably have more of a case, haha.

Tom Earp 12-23-2005 05:52 PM

Why should I have compunction for a Person who started a Gang that did what His did and what he Did?

No one told Him To Do it!

He was an Animal who supposedly became Pious. Does that make what He did right and The Gang is still going strong delveing into drugs and killing people!:(

Screw Him!

Rudey 12-23-2005 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
I finally read through this thread, and wow, y'all are some bizarre people. It strikes me as very odd that anyone who believes in God would believe that it is a human's right to decide who should live and who should die. I mean, if you believe that God will ultimately punish this man in the afterlife, why are you worrying about how we dole out punishment for him on earth? It seems rather short-sighted . . .


Those of you who aren't religious probably have more of a case, haha.

What is your religious expertise?

-Rudey

hoosier 12-27-2005 11:23 PM

Bill Clinton missed Tookie's funeral - most unusual.

Of course, Jessie, Al, and the boys all showed up.

Wonder if it'll be on C-SPAN2 soon?


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