As I also said in that thread that you're quoting from, my sorority has mixers on several occasions with the CMU fraternities. I've spent a significant amount of time up there. Hell, many of my sisters, and I myself, dated guys from CMU, including those in fraternities. One of my best friends advises one of the sororities and says the exact same things about the campus. It's my personal observations. You haven't been a part of the campus in a long time, perhaps CMU and Pitt students interact more now than they did when you were there. But Pitt students are up there quite frequently.

If you don't have a bias, don't be so snotty about it, and don't talk crap on other GLOs.

There's no denying that CMU is a great school.

And if i'm not mistaken, don't the girls in the local get to pick who they are affiliating with, not the other GLOs? So while it's fine you have an opinion, but it doesn't mean that it will count.

Yes that is mainly true, while the other houses and the university have had some input, the final decision is zeta psi sigma's.

The overall sentiment I'm getting from this thread is that those of us who are in sororities not currently on campus would LOVE to have their own GLO colonize there. So I really don't understand why alum thinks we're biased against CMU.

alum (and whoever else feels the same way, for that matter), perhaps you should just stay out of it and have faith that your collegiate sisters will make the right suggestions when it's their turn to give Zeta Psi Sigma their input. I hope, for the sake of all the CMU Greeks, that they don't take on this same snotty attitude you've been throwing out in this thread. :o

Before this escalates further, I will take the high road and offer my best wishes to whatever group gets selected. Carnegie Mellon students are extremely bright and will make a wise decision.

Wow, that is quite the statement.....i would risk to say that no matter how 'great' the national org is, the local chapter is quite important. chapters differ so much between schools and some are very distant from what their nationals would like them to be doing. so a woman should join ABC because they are the "best" national, even though hte individual chapter has the worst GPA, has more sisters fail out, all they do is drink and the NMs get hazed? That makes no sense to me. Yes, you join a national org and it is good to look into the national org when picking a group, but to totally disregard the local chapter is just dumb.

also, no offense, as much as CMU and Harvard and Penn are 'ivy league' or educational powerhouses in your eyes, those of us in lowly state system schools are getting just as good of an education and are just as focused as those other schools. in fact, both of my parents went to penn; they basically told be to do undergrad at a state school because penn was a waste of money unless for grad school. and my little bro goes to the quasi-ivy league Lehigh U, and those kids party way more than my state school kids did and their fraternities are out of control. so don't start trying to throw your CMU education in our faces.

also, AST has a large number of PA chapters and Pitt area alumns, as does DZ, and many others. they would be just as good for CMU. in the end it is the org that best fits to true mission of the org. plus, i am from PA and have never heard of Pi Phi except as being on a list of sororities. with as many chapters as there are in PA, almost any NPC would eb great for this campus. there are tons of alumns around, especially the state school grads because they tend to stay in PA cuz it is a damn fine state! hahahh.

and if a group wasn't strong enough to support a new chapter i feel liek they wouldnt be a national org or they would be slow to open another chapter as that would mean they can't support the chapters they have already.

In the end, i think the best organization for these ladies will be chosen, good luck and best wishes.

editted to remove offensive statement: I'm sorry all.....I see what compulsive posting will do. hahah

What does this mean?

Oh for crying out loud in a bucket.

What I meant to say is, if you're a KKG from Yale and meet another KKG from Yale at your interview for Big Giant Job I believe it's the "Yale" that's going to put you over more than the "KKG." Perhaps our Ivy League Greeks on here can offer insight.

So yes, you need a large sorority with networking connections, but to automatically assume that the ones at the Ivy League schools ARE those would be shortsighted on your part.

As far as the "Harvard bigwigs" - KKG has only been at Harvard for two years. Oh, I understand, you mean they were involved with your Harvard colonization. That may be true, and I wasn't accusing Kappa of putting in chapters underground - just pointing out the fact that Harvard's and U Penn's systems are as different as, say, W & J and Penn State's. "Ivy League" isn't a blanket for a certain type of Greek system.

What problems? You mean the "problems" of increased chapter totals, increased quotas, and overall involvement? Yes, you certainly are doing a whiz bang job fixing those. :rolleyes:

You REALLY need to get off your high horse and stop saying offensive things like this as alum's comments have nothing to do with any time period. She could have said she was there in 2000 and have the same sentiments.

Obviously you DO have a bias, (and from what I can tell more than one.) or that wouldn't be necessary. :)

To 33girl:

"Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings."

:D

With all this debating about national reputations and alumnae networking I think people are forgetting how different Greek Life is in the Northeast in general. At least from what I have seen, women up here don't usually decide to go Greek until they encounter it at their college and very often they haven't heard of any of the organizations til then either. I find that PNM here are much more concerned about their campus reputation than national reps. If that wasn't the case why would the so-called "smaller nationals" and locals be so prevalent.

What is her deal with the 80s and 90s? She bashed that era in another thread, too. (Thank you - you know who you are - for pointing me in that direction.)

How is it that someone who is active now is such an expert on how things were in the 80s and 90s? I guess I should thank her for letting me know that my Greek experience sucked because until now, I had no idea.

http://espn.go.com/media/nfl/2002/10...1027vick1v.jpg

This thread is jacked up!

Irish,
LOL ROTF.... Our experienced sucked because we "rushed" and "pledged" in the 80's. Our experience was so antiquated!!! We probably even let girls leave parties with favors. Oh my!!!

Denise
Child of the 80s

I'm going to go find all of my ancient party pics (they are actually in color despite how old they are) and take a black sharpie and draw frowns and tears of oppression on all of us poor ignorant girls.

Maybe refering to History?;)

I was not in the 80s so is that wrong?:rolleyes:

We all go through Cycles of Greeks ON Campi!

None are the same or will be from Campi to Campi. Trueism!:)

We all will Remember what it was like When We were there unless YOU are there now!

Correct?:rolleyes:

i did not mean that your experience sucked....it is just different than what there is now. im sorry if i offended anyone. the comment was meant for the member flaunting her knowledge of current issues. (it got me a little fired up)

while i am young (altho not 'active'-i am on the advising side now) and have not experienced everything myself, i do alot of reading and research and work with many greeks who have seen it all from the 70's to now. when a former afa pres tells me things are different now, i tend to believe him. sorry if i am wrong. i do not know all.

again, sorry if i offended anyone.


edited to add: yes tom, i totally agree with you.

We sure did and believe it or not, life did go on!

Very well said, AEPhiSierra. You really summed up many (not all, of course!) northeastern recruitments.

Near the end of Chi O at CMU
 

I am an alumnus of Carnegie-Mellon in Pittsburgh, I graduated in 1990. Even by the time that I graduated, Chi Omega was having problems with numbers. I do remember that the other sororities on campus (DG,DDD,KATh & KKG) *really* wanted to help them with numbers. The sorority rush process did take into account that Chi O had more slots open for pledges. When Chi Omega went under they moved one of the Fraternities (Sigma Tau Gamma) into Sorority Row for a year. (Sorority Row is a Duplex and a Triplex over top of a laundry mat/computer cluster/student store area.

From talking to people who were there for a few years after I was, the sisters of the other four sororities were not happy with the Chi O national, but I can't say if that represented anything wrong that Chi O national did in the process.

There are a couple of other sororities that once existed at Carnegie-Mellon, but I think they had only those 5 sororities for about 50 years.

Randy

Re: Near the end of Chi O at CMU
 

I believe AEPhi was there from 1944-1971, and Sigma Kappa was there from 1945-1967.

No one would have objected to you stating that things are different now. Anyone with half a brain cell functioning would know that of course things are different 20 years later. However, that is not what you typed. You referred to problems that "started/continued/worsened" in the 80s and 90s. That is a direct slam, and you still have not explained what it means.

To True!

Amazing when it comes to The History over the Years, Old is now the 80/90s!:(

Try the Pre 60s when Hazing was an acceptable thing!:eek:

Greek Organizations have restructured, (For The Most Part) over the Years.

Tomarrow will be different from Yesterday.:)

That is life isnt it!;) But of course some of the Tadays wont beleive that will they?:D

My lack of current knowledge
 

Despite having graduated in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth I am relatively current w/ what has happened as I have been an advisor for several chapters since graduation and have participated actively in the sorority alum. assoc. especially when CMU didn't have one in the area. Before you jump on me for this comment, I have to add that we relocate often due to my husband's company.

I am well aware that CMU is not the be all and end all of all university education. Nor is my sorority perfect. Based on the experiences by my 2 bio/sorority legacy sisters talk about their chapters at their schools and what the three of us have seen as advisors, I do feel comfortable in saying that I do know what has been occurring in the recent years.

me gets the impression that it is not necessarily just what you said that has riled some people, but that you felt the need to create a name to say it in the first place.

not often do individuals show up on this board and start responding directly to a single current thread that just *happens* to directly apply to them.


- marissa

Actually I am new to GC in general and when the page opened up the words ""CMU expansion" were on a thread so I investigated. I created a name to respond to the post since I had a comment but if you look at my profile, you will see that I have replied to a couple of other threads as well.

I was wondering about that, too, because it didn't make any sense to me, either.

And yeah, things are waaaaay different now than they were in the '80s...just ask my mom, who was overjoyed to find that she wouldn't have to sew a heinous white poufy satin dress from scratch for me to wear to Initiation, like she did for my oldest sister. :p

**crickets chirping**

I am sorry to hear that....the one good thing about the 80s no longer being here...POUFY...has gone the way of the dinosaur...lets all pray that it NEVER comes back in style.

when they brought back the three layered mini-skirt I was so scared that the bubble skirt was next.

Hey now! I LOVED the bubble skirt that my mom made me for a semi-formal. It was red and green plaid silk taffeta and I wore it with a black sequined tube top. You couldn't tell me anything. I knew I was fly.

OH... I've seen them... there was a girl wearing a dress with a bubble bottom at Presents last semester... I was like :eek: :eek: I never even liked those when I was 12 !!

I loved my fuscia taffeta bubble skirted prom dress and white taffeta bubble skirt dress that I wore to like 8 million Bar Mitzvahs in junior high. That doesn't mean I ever want to see one again though

Well, that's true because then you would have to bring back the hair. You needed the "Hair Bear" look to balance everything.

Is this the same as "the claw?"

I saw this phrase on the GC homepage and was just praying that it was a sarcastic remark....Thank god.

I don’t remember “the claw”. It may have gone by another name. Here is a picture of Hair Bear. He’s the one with the perm.

OK, I couldn't get the image to post so here is the link. http://www.tvacres.com/bears_cartoon_hair.htm


Here are pictures of big 80’s hair.

http://www.hairfinder.com/images/802.jpg

http://www.hairfinder.com/images/803.jpg

"The claw" is achieved by having bangs that are at least 2-3 inches long, and curling them under with e curling iron, but before releasing the iron, hair spray the curl in place so that only the end is curled under, and the vertical rise of the bang from root to curl is the full, erect, 2-3 inch height.

Oh yeah! I remember that. We call that "scary" now.

darn it, why aren't these pictures posting. second row on the right. http://www.eightyeightynine.com/culture/big-hair2.html

We called that Mall Bangs. You had to separate your bangs into layers, the top one you sprayed with aqua net before curling, while on the curling iron and afterward. It went up and back. The middle layers were curled much more tightly and stayed in the middle and the bottom layer went down flat and curled under. All the aquanet in the world didn't hold my hair though...I used to swear trying to do my bangs.

I was never able to achieve the claw, which was a source of agony then, and relief now.