Well then, let's say that the starting point for me to "raise my voice" (as you put it) is to share on GC that I don't agree with those who use Islam for their own political gain. I've said it many times. Somehow, its get lost in cyberspace *shrugs*

I didn't understand the last sentence. Are you saying that peaceful Muslims spend their days protesting Iraq and Israel? Or are you saying we should start? I'm confused. :confused:

Was it a political issue in 1945? 1900? 1800?

I am saying I have seen protest after protest against Iraq and Israel by Muslims but have yet to see a single protest against suicide bombers. It's funny to protest the American involvement in Iraq but to be perfectly fine with the Jihadists blowing themselves up.

-Rudey

Ok, I understand you now.

I can't speak for others, but I've never been in a demonstration against Israel or Iraq.

And once again for the record, I don't agree with Jihadists blowing themselves and others up. I don't see how anyone could find taking someone else's life honorable.

BTW, will you help me write my letter to France?

Actually Rudy...

Protest over Jordan terror attacks

Thousands of flag-waving Jordanians congregated in Amman in the March of the Nation, a noisy demonstration against the deadly terrorist attacks that struck the kingdom last week.

Three suicide bombers killed 59 people in their attacks on hotels in the capital on November 9....

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2262912005

Yes I know about that. In Turkey there were some protests against them. That's not the same. That's protesting something that happens to you. So suicide bombers are OK in other countries but not in my wedding is the mentality.

Those same Jordanians were busy campaigning en mass for Saddam Hussein and protesting the Iraq war. They were not busy protesting the suicide bombers, the sunni "rebels" and Al Qaeda members.

-Rudey

Since I mentioned the president of Iran, I feel compelled to point out his latest antics. Ironically, at "a summit of Muslim nations in Islam's holiest city, Mecca, convened to condemn terrorism and extremism and stressing moderation and tolerance", he questioned the reality of the Holocaust and suggested that the state of Israel be moved to somewhere in Europe.

I'm going to call my cable company to see if I can get Al-Jazeera TV so that I can watch that one Sunni cleric's blood vessel about to burst.

In all seriousness, I was glad to read that he is alienating some of his conservative allies, and I'm glad that they're holding summits to stress moderation and tolerance. This is the kind of media coverage I could use more of.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,1200276.story

He did it two more times this week - calling the Holocaust a myth. The last time he said Israel should be moved to Alaska.

-Rudey

:rolleyes:

I could point out every Christian who attacks something, but I have better things to do with my time.

This guy isn't just any Muslim and his country isn't a rinky dink Muslim country.

He also received approval on his holocaust denial comments from the Ayatollah of Iran.

Another crazy tidbit from the nutjob (similar to something straight out of North Korea):

A leading website in Iran has published a transcript and video recording of President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad claiming to have felt “a light” while addressing world leaders at the United Nations in New York in September. Baztab.com – a website linked to Mohsen Rezaei, former commander of the Revolutionary Guards – said the recording was made in a meeting between the president and Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi-Amoli, one of Iran’s leading Shia Muslim clerics.

According to the transcript, Mr Ahmadi-Nejad said someone present at the UN, possibly from his entourage, subsequently told him: “When you began with the words ‘In the name of God’… I saw a light coming, surrounding you and protecting you to the end [of the speech].” Mr Ahmadi-Nejad said he sensed a similar presence.

“I felt it myself, too, that suddenly the atmosphere changed and for 27-28 minutes the leaders could not blink,” the transcript continues. “I am not exaggerating…because I was looking. All the leaders were puzzled, as if a hand held them and made them sit. They had their eyes and ears open for the message from the Islamic Republic.”

-Rudey

Hmmm......that's an intriguing idea.

The next time the Christian leader of a predominantly Christian country insists that a rival country should be wiped off the map, let us know.

The next time a group of Christians hijack airplanes and crash them into major city buildings killing around 4000 in the name of the Lutheran Church, let us know.

The next time a group of Anglicans set off a bomb in the basement of the major financial hub of a Muslim city, let us know.

The next time a group of radical Methodists sail a small boat close enough to a Syrian warship to blast a gaping hole in its side with its explosion, let us know.

The next time some Baptist extremists behead some peace-loving Muslims and videotape it, let us know.

The next time some Presbyterian hoodlums kidnap Saudis and hold them hostage for 444 days, let us know.
:rolleyes:

You know, I just finished reading a great book about the American Muslim experience. Its a great read if anyone is interested. While everyone is soooo concerned about what someone in a country halfway around the world is thinking, I think your time would be better spent actually getting to know the Muslims in this country, instead of judging them because of what some nutjob halfway around the world said.

Muslims in the US are actually a lot different than Muslims in the Middle East. Since you don't live in Iran, maybe you should try listening to the people that live in your city, walk your streets, sit in class with you, pay taxes just like you do to the same government, and work with you. I bet their take on Islam is a lot different than the head of state of Iran...

But whatever, I'm done...Some people just refuse to understand the point I'm trying to make. I knew Rudey would be resistant, but I'm surprised at some of the other comments in this thread.

The aforementioned "nutjob" is the leader of a country that is developing nuclear weapons capability. This same "nutjob" has said that Israel should be wiped off the map. One of the best ways to wipe a country off the map would be with nuclear weapons. I think it's fairly self-explanatory, and judging from the reaction of the EU, I'm not the only one who is concerned.

I don't agree with this logic. Because I don't have 27 best friends who are Muslim, I am not "educated enough" to form a reasonable opinion of Islam in general? I don't think so. More importantly, if my impression is wrong, then it is up to the Muslim community to clean their own house. In other words, instead of Muslims falling over themselves in their haste to recommend that non-Muslims "get educated", it seems that their time would be better spent educating all of those "nutjobs" out there who apparently have the mistaken interpretation of the Qur'an.

Nutjobs come in all shapes and sizes, I suppose....

The thing is that we don't live in an insular society. It bothers me enough that Muslims are killing others in another part of the world, but when I know they have and will export that to the US, it bothers me more.

The latest analysis showed that 80% of mosques and Muslim centers in the US were financed by Saudi money. Wahabists who educate Muslims to fly into buildings also are financing the mosques. Given that Saudi money also finances much of Muslim academia. they have locked out moderates like one gentleman in California (UCLA I believe). American muslims are also responsible for terrorist acts and have been charged accordingly. They are not all angels. Furthermore, American muslims (along with most other Muslims) seem to either keep thoughts against violence to themselves or are drowned out by the others. And finally, while the Nation of Islam is reviled by "real" Muslims in the middle east, it still manages to upset people here.

I lived in Iran. It's strange that the leader of the country which was put in place by the thugs of Qum is denying the holocaust, and the region's support, given the country's alliance with the Nazis and his knowledge of the Jerusalem and Damascus Muftis celebrating Hitler. But then again that nutjob sees light around himself when he speaks.

I'd be more inclined to ignore Middle Eastern Muslims but terrorists and a pursuit of nuclear weapons by the largest terrorist sponsor in the world have kept my attention there.

The only moderate well-known Muslim leader I have ever heard of is an Imam, or Mufti, from Italy.

-Rudey

I don't know about all those denominations, but ever been to Ireland?

You are beyond help.

-Rudey

How so, she wants Christian terrorists. You can meet them freely there, hell, I walked into my cousin's house while there was a local IRA meeting going on.

I didn't point out Tim McVeigh or Terry Nichols, but my point was that there are Christian terrorists.

They were doing it for religion? Their religious leaders were telling them to do this for Christ? Did they want to spread the message of Christ all over the world starting with Ireland?

-Rudey

Okay, then, George Bush, he thinks god talks to him.

Lady, I really don't know what to tell you.

-Rudey

Actually, I have. I've stood in the courtyard in Kilmainham Jail where the leaders of the Easter Rising were executed. I've walked through the burned out shells of churches destroyed by Cromwell. I have no illusions about Christianity's past, but I would point out that the Irish rebellions had a lot to do with Irish Nationalism as part of the Protestant-Catholic Troubles - namely, the Irish wanted their country back.

SMH@this thread.


Jubilance, cosign on everything that you said!!

Really? Tell that to that prick Paisley... thank-you BJU for unleasing that hatemonger on Northern Ireland...

But I do gotta admit that the divide between Catholic and Prod go a lot deeper than just religion - but in admiting that I can;t help but view other religious divides in the same light. ie. how much is religion and how much is politics, socio-economics, culture, history, etc.

Okay, Rudey, in seriousness.

The terrorists that bomb women's health clinics have the backing of Pat Roberson. There's plenty of Christian terrorists, and if you don't think so, you're a fool. Crusades anyone?

You are beyond help. That is in all seriousness.

They have the backing of Pat Robertson to bomb clinics? Show me.
They didn't do anything to spread Christianity. The didn't spread their call for "jihad" all over the world.

The Crusades were a long time ago and I am beyond amazed that you brought that up - actually no, I've seen the gibberish you post and it's on par.

Don't ever call me a fool.

-Rudey