I understand, 33girl. My whole point is that let other organizations who wish to encourage AI run their organizations as they see fit. In the end, Greekchat is NOT the venue to inquire about AI. Whether or not you call it recruitment is semantics. It is a type of recruitment just not FORMAL Collegiate Recruitment. I do agree, however, that we should discourage random people from sorority shopping through GC. I still congratulate the OP on her initiation.

Fixed your post. :)

Sorry...didn't know that I need to preface every point with that. Maybe the people who are dead set against AI should preface EVERY one of their statements with the same. Either way, it's every person's prerogative to agree or disagree, but the least we can do is be respectful of the policies of other organizations.

^^^ I can dig that.

There are 26 NPCs.

This is starting to sound like my "Every NPHC is different" debate that nobody wants to hear. :)

But I think it was you who opened that door when you said (paraphrasing) if anyone criticizes this AI decision, they are criticizing D Phi E's membership policies as a national organization. That IMO was a big leap, especially since the levels of input and approval from the local alum chapter, the collegiate chapter, the district volunteers, and the national council vary GREATLY from group to group where AI is concerned.

NPC collegiate recruitment is pretty much standard. Girls come to parties. Collegians vote on them. They get bids. Maybe in some groups the alums or advisors have a greater level of involvement, but if you ask group in a college panhellenic what the basic process is, they're going to say "girls come to parties, collegians vote, rushees get bids."

AI is NOT like that - so yes, you probably should preface statements like "AI is a form of recruitment" with "in my organization." Some groups are more receptive to it than others, and among those groups, some areas of the country are more receptive than others. That's a fact, period. Whereas I think that all 26 NPCs are agreed that recruiting collegiate members to their collegiate chapters is a good thing.

I think I was very clear that every NPC is different in their opinion and approach to AI. DPhiE accepted this AI so calling her names is basically criticizing DPhiE's AI program. If your sorority wouldn't have taken her, that's their opinion on the matter. I'm just saying that we can disagree on whether or not AI is appropriate, but we've always tried to steer clear of criticizing each NPC group's policies.

No, it's not. You're trying to say a group's MS program transcends any human flaws, screwups or mistakes. That's just not the truth. If it were, sororities would be 100% full of perfect members - on the collegiate AND alumnae levels.

In fairness to twocutetx, why doesn't someone take this discussion to another thread, and allow this one to remain for those who wish to welcome her to the NPC, and Delta Phi Epsilon in particular? Let's not ruin her thread with another agenda, whichever side you favor.

I don't really see this as promoting an agenda. We're discussing AI as it relates to this situation.

At the beginning the OP began on GC asking for information on which sororities offered AI and how the process worked.

Then about a month later she said that she contacted two different groups.

And two years after that she mentions she has contacted a number of sororities re: their AI programs

There was also another post which she said she contacted a Jewish sorority re: AI.

So there are at least 3 not including the sorority she initiated in and for many people that isn't the spirit of the program.

^^ There are some who erroneously consider DPhiE a Jewish sorority. As members of a different GLO, we really shouldn't take issue with how another GLO conducts AI - at least, not on a congratulatory thread.


Congratulations, twocutetx! May your love for DPhiE only grow!

Last post in rush forum, per promise to PT...

We're not taking issue with the GLOs and their methods. We, at least, I am taking issue with the methods alumni initiates and interests use to get into GLOs. And, if someone has used questionable methods, I reserve the right to point them out and make fun of them for it...

Oh, and this was NOT a congratulatory thread... It was a sorority shopping thread that began over three years ago. BTW, I know that in addition to the groups she mentioned, there are other groups she reached out to about trying to join...

Last post in forum, yay! *Cheers erupt*

I completely agree that you have the right to disagree with how other GLOs conduct their business. I don't agree with anyone's right to make fun of them. I also wouldn't want to see people call one GLO or another names. It's not at all becoming and can be downright demeaning - which harms the whole NPC in the long run.

I agree with TC that we are not taking issue with that specific groups AI program. The issue is the method used to obtain AI membership.

And for what it's worth, DPhiE was not the Jewish sorority she contacted someone about previously.

Then I stand corrected. I still think this discussion should be taken to another thread, though.

As a purely innocent bystander (I can't say I've ever posted in this forum before, although I may have and have forgotten) isn't it fair to have this discussion in the AI forum, though? Since it IS about AI, and women pursuing AI should be aware of common opinion regarding it?

Absolutely. There has been at least one new thread started about this, and this is the correct Forum.

I think FantASTic makes a good point. This is the forum to do it, and as mentioned before the discussion is in regards to how AI was approached in this case. The OP also wrote something to the effect of "for all you still wanting to join a sorority after college, keep going for it b/c it can happen for you too!"

That comment (at least for me) was why I responded here, since it was in this thread.