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honeychile 10-10-2005 01:00 PM

I agree about SWA not being any big savings. I happen to know the cheapest person on two feet (actually, two of them - they should do us all a favor & get married!), and he keeps saying how cheap SWA is.

Then, on the same weekend, he was flying to Pittsburgh, and I was flying to Chicago - his hometown. He bragged and bragged about the fare he was getting - until I got one $10 less. He had a layover, and I flew nonstop, during premium hours. I keep telling him, it's all a matter of timing and knowing your market, but I guess he likes the cattle call approach...

BTW, I fly USAirways whenever possible, due to the amount of people I know who work there. Not that they can get me a discount, but I use my money to support the local economy.

AlphaSigOU 10-10-2005 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Flown on any other airline recently? None are worth writing home about.

I wish SW flew to Denver because the lower fares are attractive, and you don't really get great service on any carrier these days.

They used to fly out of old Stapleton, but got tired of the traffic delays (caused by weather and - ahem - delays (mostly by old Continental (the Frank Lorenzo version) and United). They won't touch the new Denver airport with a 10-foot pole, either.

They did the same with service to SFO and IAH - delays, plus they had less congested airports nearby at OAK and HOU. They already told DFW to Vaffancul'! and are fighting to dump the Wright Amendment.

SWA does not assign seats... they do assign you to a boarding group, A (1-30), B (31-60), or C (61-90 or until the plane fills up).

Since they fly point-to-point, its not unusual to see thru passengers already seated (and taking the decent seats).

Rudey 10-10-2005 01:32 PM

I like American. I dislike Continental. I like United planes but all American tax payers should get a discount for supporting the pensions of their employees.

In general though, Southwest shows cheaper fares to me than the big airlines flying to NY or Cali from Chicago. I've heard if you install their Ding! program, they show even cheaper fares but I refuse to go to that trouble. I also refuse to fly anything but non-stop flights.

For its price, I think ATA and JetBlue were the best. I can't remember anything special about Ted or Song though.

I'm not sure if I can prove it but I really think my flights used to be shorter a few years ago. There definitely was food from what I remember. And I wasn't forced to pick from 2 or 3 ridiculous flight times if I needed a flight. Also, flights are way more packed now than they used to be. I'm not asking for a handjob from these airlines, I just want to get home quickly, when I want. That's all.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by lifesaver
This is the biggest myth out there. Generally, SWA is no cheaper than any other airline.

If you have to fly (like Rudy said) with only a few days notice then its 10-15% cheaper than the other carriers. But SWA hasent been the 'low-fare' carrier (with 7+ days booking) since the 90's.

Plus, they dont fly the traditional 'hub and spoke' system, so you have to stop three times between San Antonio and NY. Yes, they are introducting more non-stop flights, but your odds are pretty good that you will have more than one stop if you are flying a longer distance (like I ususally do). So you spend more time traveling. (My friend Beth flew hoem to NYC yesterday from San Antonio via stops in Houston AND Orlando). Is the extra travel time and often destination airport which is less convienient (Islip for NYC) really worth the 15% savings? For me its not. Its a great business model tho. Give people a sense of false savings and they will come flocking. By the time you factor in extra travel time (in the air and at distant airports) you've eaten through any savings... you as the customer just dont realize it because its on 'your dime'. Its just a big scam.

I dont fly expecting great service either. I dont fly southwest because I dont want to fly with the toothless homeless guy with a live chicken on his lap, or the white trash family with 12,341 screaming babies and children in tow. While not a hard and fast rule, some of the non-discount carriers seem to have a better group of travelers onboard.

Rudy, I fly American or Continental and neither one uses tax dollars to pay for its pension.


AKA_Monet 10-10-2005 03:34 PM

Aside from the fact that I have a French Connection in the UK t-shirt myself that says "The best FCUK in town"... And I also have a T-shirt that says "Relax, it's just sex" and a Playboy Bunny shirt...

What if a tiggo biddy woman with an itty bitty shirt with "Goddess" on it was walking down the aisle, would y'all be offended then?

DeltAlum 10-10-2005 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by honeychile
I keep telling him, it's all a matter of timing and knowing your market, but I guess he likes the cattle call approach...
Now that is absolutely true. Timing is everything. But, if you're flying "full" fare, the "low cost" airlines are less expensive.

Tickled Pink 2 10-10-2005 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Rio_Kohitsuji
The shirt said, "Meet the Fuckers" with pictures of Pres.Bush, Cheney, C.Rice, and maybe a couple of others on it.

Quite frankly I didn't dig the shirt and I'm glad that because she refused to change her shirt and her sweater "slipped" off she got off the plane. The airline however, SHOULD refund her money. I just can't stand ADULTS who wear offensive shirts like that when there could be children around. I'm sorry by my neice right now is learning to read and is trying to decipher everything and if she seen a shirt like that I'd kick that person in the nuts (whether they had any or not).

I feel the exact same way - about kids who may read her shirt.

WCUgirl 10-10-2005 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
I would like to reference the time that I watched "Dirty Dancing" when I was 9 -- ten years later I watched it again and said, "OMG, there's an ABORTION in that movie?"
Okay, I am so glad I read this. I had the same thing happened to me when I was a child. When I was nine, I had to watch it with my parents. I asked mom what happened, why did Baby's father have to go help Penny? She told me she had been shot. I was so confused b/c I didn't recall seeing a gun or anybody getting shot.

Fast forward to the ninth grade band trip where somebody whipped out DD to watch on the bus. I looked at my seat partner and said, "Oh, good, I'm glad we're watching this. Now I can figure out where she gets shot." She looked at me like I had three heads. It didn't take long to figure out why.

/end hijack

Tickled Pink 2 10-10-2005 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by AKA_Monet

What if a tiggo biddy woman with an itty bitty shirt with "Goddess" on it was walking down the aisle, would y'all be offended then?

Soror, speaking from the viewpoint of one :o :p YEAH - cover them tig ol biddies up!

Rudey 10-10-2005 05:15 PM

What's a tiggo?

-Rudey

TristanDSP 10-10-2005 05:24 PM

In our case Rudey, they're gigantic golden mounds that we often squeeze, grab, lick or just rest our heads on for happiness and tranquility.

Stan-
I wish they came ala carte though.....

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Originally posted by Rudey
What's a tiggo?

-Rudey


sugar and spice 10-10-2005 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by AXiD670


Fast forward to the ninth grade band trip where somebody whipped out DD to watch on the bus. I looked at my seat partner and said, "Oh, good, I'm glad we're watching this. Now I can figure out where she gets shot." She looked at me like I had three heads. It didn't take long to figure out why.

/end hijack

LOL!

Yeah, I was watching it at a sleepover the first time around and we weren't paying 100 percent attention, so I just figured I missed some of the plot points along the way. I thought Baby's daddy (hee!) just didn't want her hanging out with the bad kids because she might get injured just like Penny did. Or maybe Penny just had some mysterious Poor People disease.

honeychile 10-10-2005 11:38 PM

How on earth do you get a nonstop flight on SWA?! I'm sure they exist, but I have yet to hear of one.

BTW, ATA has the oldest airplanes used in the US commercial planes, with JetBlue a close second.

CutiePie2000 10-11-2005 12:06 AM

Well, sadly, "clothing that is "lewd, obscene, or patently offensive." is still pretty vague and open to interpretation.
That being said, would she have been punted if the t-shirt said "I am a terrorist and I love to kill people"? Hmmmm........

AlphaSigOU 10-11-2005 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by honeychile
How on earth do you get a nonstop flight on SWA?! I'm sure they exist, but I have yet to hear of one.

BTW, ATA has the oldest airplanes used in the US commercial planes, with JetBlue a close second.

Amtran (that's ATA's callsign) does have some older jets, but JetBlue has all brand-new Airbus A320s. Perhaps the high utilization rates (asses in the seats, planes in the air) may make these planes look a little shabby. JetBlue has only been around about five years.

Some of the major SWA gateway cities in the Northeast (BWI, Islip, Philly, for example) offer direct service with no stops.

Little trick in the book - choose the flights that use Boeing 737-700 equipment (73G in airline code) - they have much longer range than the -300 and -500. (Easy way to tell a SWA -700 from the older -300 and -500: they paint the underwing flap track fairings orange; many are being retrofitted with winglets.) These longer-range flights are usually flown in the mornings.

honeychile 10-11-2005 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Amtran (that's ATA's callsign) does have some older jets, but JetBlue has all brand-new Airbus A320s. Perhaps the high utilization rates (asses in the seats, planes in the air) may make these planes look a little shabby. JetBlue has only been around about five years.

Some of the major SWA gateway cities in the Northeast (BWI, Islip, Philly, for example) offer direct service with no stops.

Little trick in the book - choose the flights that use Boeing 737-700 equipment (73G in airline code) - they have much longer range than the -300 and -500. (Easy way to tell a SWA -700 from the older -300 and -500: they paint the underwing flap track fairings orange; many are being retrofitted with winglets.) These longer-range flights are usually flown in the mornings.

Thanks for the info! I fly too often to take an older plane, IMHO. I haven't tried JetBlue yet, though.

lifesaver 10-11-2005 02:40 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU

(Easy way to tell a SWA -700 from the older -300 and -500: they paint the underwing flap track fairings orange;

Cause we all know what an underwing flap track fairing is....

I'm assuming thats the bottom part of the wing??

-Scary because my father and grandfather had about 80 years of flying time between them (millitary, commerical and private)

DeltAlum 10-11-2005 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by CutiePie2000
...would she have been punted if the t-shirt said "I am a terrorist and I love to kill people"? Hmmmm........
No, she probably would have been arrested trying to get through security. Or at least detained and questioned.

AlphaSigOU 10-11-2005 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by lifesaver
Cause we all know what an underwing flap track fairing is....

I'm assuming thats the bottom part of the wing??

-Scary because my father and grandfather had about 80 years of flying time between them (millitary, commerical and private)

Yeah... close enough for gub'mint work... they're also nicknamed 'canoes'.

Don't get me started on 'Whitcomb winglets' and 'Küchemann carrots'... :D

Tom Earp 10-11-2005 06:42 PM

If this Person has NO More sense than this. I would have just thrown Her Ass of of The Plane at 10,000 feet.:)

lifesaver, I have had nothing but great things with SWA!!! DI to KC From Indy, only one to have a B M on flight!

Freedom Of Speach only goes so far. She paid for a Ticket. She didnt pay to act like a Biotch!:rolleyes:

Trust Me LIFe, I flew every other Week for may Years. Hell, I knew some of the Flight Crews better than they knew each other!!!!!

Do Miss TWA though! Drank with some of them on lay overs Didnt say I slept with them, that was Braniff going to TexAss!:D

Tickled Pink 2 10-11-2005 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by CutiePie2000
That being said, would she have been punted if the t-shirt said "I am a terrorist and I love to kill people"? Hmmmm........
If the airline doesn't get her, the passengers sure would.

dzrose93 10-12-2005 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
For those of you who say you'd be pissed off if your kid read that shirt . . . what if somebody was just walking down the street wearing that shirt? Who would you complain to then?

I do understand the airline's dilemma and don't think they were out of line, but I don't think it was their responsibility to do this, either. Personally, if you take your kid out in public, they're going to be exposed to things you don't want them exposed to. Hey, chances are that they've already been exposed to naughty language on the elementary school playground. My thought on it is . . . if they don't already know what it means, they probably won't care. When you're 6, EVERYONE around you is wearing a tee shirt that you don't understand, and most 6-year-olds would rather go play than figure them all out. (I would like to reference the time that I watched "Dirty Dancing" when I was 9 -- ten years later I watched it again and said, "OMG, there's an ABORTION in that movie?" My 9-year-old self didn't have a clue -- it went right over my head.) And for those kids who do know what the f-bomb means -- well, you're really too late to protect them from it.

There's a difference in someone walking down the street with an obscene shirt and someone on a plane with one. For one, I don't pay money to walk down the street, but I do pay quite a bit for a plane ticket. Secondly, I can steer my child elsewhere on a street. It's not as easy to get away from something on a plane.

If my child ever sees someone wearing an obscene article of clothing and asks me about it, I'll simply say that it's not an appropriate thing to wear, and that classy ladies would never own, much less wear, something like that.

ETA: I'm with you about kids not understanding mature subjects in movies. As a kid, I watched Grease so many times that I wore the tape out, but it wasn't until much later that I realized what some of those songs were really talking about. And that bar scene in Top Gun where Goose and Maverick are making bets on having "carnal knowledge of a woman"? I didn't have a clue what they were talking about the first few times I saw that film. I had to get a few years older before I understood the humor. ;) :D

GeekyPenguin 10-12-2005 05:07 PM

For those of you talking about airlines...

Fly Midwest whenever possible. I love them. I get a leather seat and cookies.

DeltAlum 10-12-2005 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
For those of you talking about airlines...

Fly Midwest whenever possible. I love them. I get a leather seat and cookies.

Hey, I agree. I flew them from DEN to MKE a while ago and was very impressed.

GeekyPenguin 10-12-2005 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Hey, I agree. I flew them from DEN to MKE a while ago and was very impressed.
They are really really great - same prices or better than the other carriers, and you actually get leg room! I've been flying between MSP and MKE a lot and they are the only way I will fly.

hoosier 10-18-2005 07:23 PM

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