Having a baby was part of their (Katie+Tom) contract right? ;)

She gets a short-lived marriage to a movie star, has a kid, gets a divorce then gets a huge amount of $ and uses her publicity to get more movie roles?

:p

munchkin, i too remember the "sterile story" about mimi and tom. i am glad you brought it up.

Nope, it's because he's a clamtastic nutjob. Oh, and he's short.

No woman "asks" for PPD, James.

We were trying to decide on another message board if he was actually sterile or if he was just infertile.

I would think, though, the treatments to assist infertile couples would be rather against the principles of Scientology (especially since most of them require massive amounts of drugs and medical monitoring). Even donor sperm would probably be a bit questionable.

He didn't leave Nic for Katie, if he left her for anyone it was Penelope Cruz who is around his age. Nic is 10 years younger than Tom as it is.

No, it's since he started hanging out with the Thetans and Xenu etc. Nicole was the only thing that made him seem somewhat normal. Plus since her career has taken off and everyone's seen what a good actress she's become, it's generally conceded he purposely held her back and no female likes that.

This made me sad. :( I think that guy is gone forever. Sigh.... At least we will always have Top Gun on dvd. :)

I have to say I loved Tom when he was with Nicole. But now he is a little strange.

Oddly enough, I like Nicole better without Tom. Her career has really taken off since their break-up, which I know she has talked about before.

The romantic optimist in me really WANTS to believe that they really are happy and in love.... But I just don't know. I'm not quite as cynical about it as some people are, I just don't know what to think.

I remember reading articles where she said that SHE was the one who chose to focus on her family instead of her career while they were married. I never read anything of her saying that he TRIED to hold her back.

If it IS his baby, it will definatly be cute...which is probably a good thing considering all the mental baggage this poor kid's going to have.

Umm yeah....of course she's going to say that at the time. Everything I've seen since the breakup, she's pretty much confirmed without saying it outright that even when she was ready to work more, he vetoed it.

ETA that the child Nicole miscarried was supposedly Ewan MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMcGregor's not Tom's. Hence the divorce as there was evidence that Nic was fooling around since Tom shoots blanks.

Here's a lovely pic of Ewan for anyone who thinks Nic was wrong to break her vows. ;)

http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/...oulin_ewan.jpg

Yes, only because even that wouldn't convince Cruise to change his mind. He is WAY too set in his beliefs to change them. It would just mean that Katie was going through PDD with an extremely unsupportive man in her life who probably wouldn't allow her to use (or would make her feel extremely bad about using) drugs, therapy, or anything else.

And James, nobody is "asking for it." :rolleyes: While taking supplements may reduce the chance of PPD, it certainly doesn't eliminate it. Furthermore, with Tom Cruise's anti-drug stance, who knows if he'd even be okay with Katie taking them (although maybe he considers them a "vitamin" in which case she's okay -- haha).

As for Tom's declining popularity, I think it dropped slightly after the way he treated Nicole in the wake of their divorce (many women who had previously loved Cruise were sympathetic to her -- her subsequent popularity was partially due to her talent and good movie choices, but also to the fact that many women empathised with her). Cruise's true popularity nosedive came after the Oprah appearance, and continued to sink at every major public incident after that. Cruise's handlers could NOT keep him out of the spotlight and it was usually for something unsympathetic (i.e., the PPD debacle). If Cruise had been smarter, he would have laid low for a while after Oprah and his popularity would probably have recovered. Instead, he went around doing a number of stupid things, appearing EVERYwhere in public with Katie insisting how rad their relationship was, and then the paparazzi started researching his involvement in Scientology and came up with lots of weird stories, which was the final nail in the coffin. It doesn't help that, I believe, Cruise's publicist is his sister (?) who is also a Scientologist, so clearly she was not going to be the one to reign him in.

One word... YUMMY!!!!!!

Is he taller than Tom?

I would not blame her one teeny tiny bit if she broke her vows with Ewan. I would probably do the same thing. :p

Slight hijack: Has anyone seen the movie "Young Adam"? You can see ALL of Ewan in that movie if you're interested, but be warned.... It is not very flattering. (Everyone is very gritty and dirty in that movie).

http://www.timeoutabudhabi.com/pictu...young-adam.jpg

Oops, that was a big hijack... sorry./:)

Wait, since Tom is so anti-drugs, does this mean that Katie has to give birth without the epidural? I know many people do that, but ow.

Yeah, he'll probably hand her a bottle of vitamin C and tell her to get over it. :rolleyes:

I heard on TV this morning that Sceintology does not alow any drugs or epidurals with birth. ALSO - NO SCREAMING! It's traumatizes the baby...

:rolleyes:

Umm hello. What do they do, stuff a gag in the mother's mouth? I don't care if I have more drugs than everyone in the rock & roll hall of fame combined, I will def. be screaming when I push a HUMAN out of me.

Scientology was designed by a man, no doubt about that.

Yeah, that's just nuts. I would kinda think that if God had intended for babies not to be traumatized by the screaming, he would have made childbirth painless. :p

I honestly don't know anything about this, but don't babies scream and cry when they're born? What does Scientology say about that?

Yes, if they don't, it usually means that there's trouble with their breathing. A good cry is a very positive thing at birth.

That traumatizes the father.

Riiiiiight.

Like the shock of going from a warm, confined space where you're surrounded by fluid to being pushed down a narrow canal out into this bright, big, cold room isn't traumatic enough?

While I admire those women who choose to have natural childbirths, I'm allll about the epidural when I have this kid.

LOL!!:D

People who post clueless things on a message board are kind of asking to be kicked in the face.

I'm sure he prepared for the pain of a face-kicking by taking his supplements.

Same with "Velvet Goldmine."

So, I looked it up on Google.... Sounds kinda strange. Though the review I read kinda made me want to watch it. :p

A few comments about what we called "natural childbirth." I don't know if that name is still in use.

All three of our children were born without any drugs or medicine. That experience is not for everyone, but Mrs. DA felt strongly that she wanted to be in command of her body and mind during the experience.

There really wasn't what I would call "screaming" at all. But it wasn't silent either. While it doesn't sound lady-like, I would say there was some pretty loud "grunting." That was on behalf of the mother. The child generally doesn't cry until just after the birth -- and that cry is usually good news.

By the way, there are some benefits to the newborn if the mother doesn't take drugs, because those medications get to the baby's system through the umbilicle cord and affect its' actions and reactions, sometimes including the ability to breastfeed (if that's what the parents intend) because the senses are dulled.

Finally, I was there for all three, and wasn't traumatized -- actually, it was pretty magical.

All I know is that when the time comes (and trust me, it will be SEVERAL years from now), my husband will NOT be the one making the drugs or no drugs decision.

Now what if she has to have a c-section? Oh hey, let's cut open your stomach and pull out a baby, but sorry, no drugs for you!

I've never heard of a C-Section without drugs. That's not "natural" childbirth -- that's surgery.

And the husband should absolutely not make the decision as to whether the wife should or should not take pain-killing or other drugs -- but should be there to support whatever decision his wife makes.

Now THAT is a good husband comment! Very nice. :)

I wasn't directing the c-section comment to your comment, sorry, should've been more clear. It was more directed theoretically towards Mr. Cruise :)

What he said! Mr. 1228 is like "whatever you want".

Unless he can feel my pain, he can't say shit about what I can and cannot have

Ok. I know just a tiny little about Scientology. Scientology was created by L. Ron Hubbard. He wrote a book called Dianetics. He basicly said that he wanted to create a religion so he could become rich. I can't remember all what they believe but it can easily be googled.

I have birthed a child and anyone who can get though it w/o drugs is a stronger woman than me. I mean it was getting ugly and I had a short labor.

I also heard on Glenn Beck that Tom has some type of contract with Katie that she is to help him promote scientology. As far as I'm concerned they are both a bunch of psychos. Too bad Tom can't buy his way out of hell when he's burning there. Sorry for the strong opinions but some people are so dumb and full of themselves they'll believe anything...

Sure it is. If your doctor tells you that taking DHA supplements both lessens the chance of PPD and lessens the severity of it if you get it, and you choose not to use it, you are asking for it.

It doesn't mean you deserve it. Deserve is a different concept.

Its like using folic acid to prevent neural tube defects, if you refuse to use them and your child gets a preventable neural tube defect you kind of asked for it.

Again, you don't deserve it, just asked for it.

Sigh.

And when you have a womb and a vagina, we'll listen to your take on whether a woman is "asking" for it or not.

Tom Cruise is gay

I think it's the harsh-sounding words "asking for it" that is bugging people. I kinda think you might have a point in a way..... I definatley wouldn't say anyone is asking for" anything though.....

But maybe if you have these warnings and suggestions and ignore them.... Maybe you just shouldn't be too surprised if they do happen.

Not all doctors suggest DHA. I'm on my second pregnancy, and as many doctors as I've seen, NONE of them have recommended it to me. Quite honestly, I had to google DHA to see what it was...other than something found in breastmilk! The first time around, I was blessed to only have a very slight case of the 'Baby Blues'...of course...there were many other contributing factors.

I don't think I need to remind everyone, but for the naive, EVERY woman is different. What works for one, might not work for the other. I was not given the option of an epidural, my labor went too quickly. Is that my fault? Did I ask for that? Until you push something the size of a watermelon, out a whole the size of an orange, keep your inane comments to yourself. Please, James, you sound as dumb as Cruise does. There is obviously more to PPD than you could possibly comprehend.

To everyone else...sorry for my rudeness, but I'm about five weeks away from delivery, and my hormones are nuts! OH! I'll just go take some DHA...or diet and exercise...or something! :rolleyes:

AnonAlumna, I echo your statements.

Also James, keep in mind that not all women can take DHA. I have Celiacs and so most vitamins and supplements are out for me as they are for most Celiacs since glutens are usually used as binders. (Some brands may be gluten free)

DHA is found in a lot of foods, and it so happens, those foods are mostly foods I am allergic to.

So, given that, do I 'deserve' or am I 'asking for" PPD if I ever have a baby just because my body cannot tolerate certain chemicals and preservatives? HELL NO.

Women who choose not to take DHA are not doing it solely out of naievete.