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mgdzkm433 11-17-2000 09:37 AM

point well taken. I can understand that. I personally find the dedication that many African Americans have to their community very inspiring. Thanks for the insight. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

jazbri 11-17-2000 12:44 PM

lluvmook98,

Excellent point... I think you've hit it directly on the head. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

mgdzkm433 11-20-2000 10:06 AM

Do you think that same standard is or should be held in GLO's?

lluvmook98 11-20-2000 07:11 PM

...433,
That is an interesting question. I say that because, even as an African-American, I might say that that idea of standars is prejudice but when you say the opposite about BGLO's "we" feel justified in being "separate but equal".

Really I don't have a particular feeling about non-blacks in BGLO's, but I do wonder why they would want to be in one. The same way that I wonder why blacks, especially, want to be in HWGLO's but to each his own.
First of all we can't offically hold on to the "standards" so I think that it is a waste of time to slight a white person who is in or interested in a BGLO. But emotionally I think it bothers whites and blacks when some one who is different tries out for their org. Even if it is not blatant racism, you wonder what might you have in common with them.
My honest opinion is, as long as we look different, we are going to treat each other differently. There are too many factors in this world that perpetuate racism to think that it will easily go way. Also if a soror, any soror, is about representing AKA well, I will support her.

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[This message has been edited by lluvmook98 (edited November 20, 2000).]

prettygyrl 11-20-2000 07:56 PM

First of all Hey Hey to everyone. I have not been in awhile. I have stopped in from time to time whenever I was a around a computer. I have finally moved and settled so I am back.

Whoever knows me knows that I usually post on topic such as these and it seems that my opinion is not usually liked by most. Anyway I think though that this is always going to be a topic with no end. We all will never agree. The fact remains that whether Blacks like the idea of whites joining the BGLO or not, they do and they will continue. As I said before my opinion on this is known, but still there is nothing anyone can do about it. I am not greek, although I am currently pursuing. There are no white people in any of the NPHC org. on the yard at my school. I doubt that there are a whole lot across the board. This race issue continues to be large because we make it large. When people start topics such as this everyone jumps on the bandwagon saying the same things but still there is no solution. There are so many other serious problems that BGLOS and GLOS are facing today that can and should be addressed, other than this same Black White issue. I have read various newsreports where some colleges are questioning the necessity of greek org. and some are trying to decide if they can find away to get rid of them all together. Now thats a serious issue. The numbers are dwindling as far as MIP goes on some campuses. Thats something to address also. There are so many problems with hazing and some org will be broke soon from being sued some much. Thats serious also.

You see all those issues far outweigh this Black and White stuff because if things get really bad for the greek org and some of them start to really fall off, it will not matter what race the members off especially if the org is no more.

lluvmook98 11-20-2000 08:10 PM

I personally don't see the problem with conversation. No this will not change anything but if it will open the doors to something else then let it be. It is not like I would be on my undergrad campus campaigning if I was not on line so really we are not wasting time. The only way people will let anyone get rid of glo's is if they are banned by state/federal law. Even if we are all city chapters not bound to any campus. As long as we live in America racism will be an issue. Not because we on this board make it, but because it is. As long as we are civil I say keep talking, maybe we will get some type of understanding. If we never talk we will thrive on the stereotpyes we have of one another. That is not just unproductive but it will take us back hundreds of years. So to all my greek family in the struggle, talk on!

AKA2D '91 11-20-2000 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
MN:

I understood you perfectly well THE PHIRST time! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif


HOW IS THAT RUDE?
http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

relax, relate, release!

Interested13 11-25-2009 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discogoddess (Post 6716)
I'm interested to know: what "reverse discrimination" are black people perpetrating on whites? What schools are whites kept out of, jobs are whites denied, neighborhoods are whites barred from, because of black people in decision-making positions denying them the opportunities to pursue those opportunities? And please don't cite the tired "I was denied admission/a job at XYX University/Corporation because some inferior ***** got my job" line.

From where I sit, the few institutions blacks do control have been/are open to people of all backgrounds. It's just that "people of all backgrounds," especially whites, have been loathe to align themselves with black institutions, by and large.



[This message has been edited by Discogoddess (edited November 01, 2000).]

Discgoddess you are implying that you must be in a position of power to be a racist. Many members of the Ku Klux Klan are not in any positions of power at all. I believe racism is any form of treating someone differently because of their race, and that is wrong. However, I do not believe that we will be completely equal as a society until all labels are gone. And to all black greeks that don't appreciate other races in the orgs, I just want to say you could be losing a really good brother or sister based on the color of their skin. Imagine your best friend, then think of them as a different race, would you still love them? People are all the same

knight_shadow 11-25-2009 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869927)
Discgoddess you are implying that you must be in a position of power to be a racist. Many members of the Ku Klux Klan are not in any positions of power at all. I believe racism is any form of treating someone differently because of their race, and that is wrong. However, I do not believe that we will be completely equal as a society until all labels are gone. And to all black greeks that don't appreciate other races in the orgs, I just want to say you could be losing a really good brother or sister based on the color of their skin. Imagine your best friend, then think of them as a different race, would you still love them? People are all the same

This thread has not been replied to in 9 years.

I doubt DG will see your response.

DrPhil 11-25-2009 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869927)
Discgoddess you are implying that you must be in a position of power to be a racist. Many members of the Ku Klux Klan are not in any positions of power at all. I believe racism is any form of treating someone differently because of their race, and that is wrong. However, I do not believe that we will be completely equal as a society until all labels are gone. And to all black greeks that don't appreciate other races in the orgs, I just want to say you could be losing a really good brother or sister based on the color of their skin. Imagine your best friend, then think of them as a different race, would you still love them? People are all the same

Why are you so interested?

goldar1 11-25-2009 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManndingoNUPE (Post 6697)
It is interesting that you pose this question, becuase I was thinking about it the other day myself. We have a white member in our alumni chapter, and I have to say that I really don't have a problem with him being there. He is active, pays his dues, and contributes.

As long as these white members understand that our organizations are founded on principles that uplift the black kommunity. I welcome any and all help, becuase there is so much need in our kommunities, especially here in DC. If we as a kommunity were to take care of our own, maybe outside help would not be needed, but I digress.

I know that there are those who would disgree, and I know of some brothers who feel differently, but that is simply my take on it.

Also, Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. was the First BGLO to have a provision in it's constitution that precluded members from barring perspectives based on race.

My founders saw the evils that were visited upon them by whites, and instead of addopting the same flawed way of doing things, they charted their own course, and rose above the discrimination and hatred that was so prevelant in those days (and still happens today).

God I love those men

MN


You sound like a racist.


How does this sound?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManndingoNUPE (Post 6697)
It is interesting that you pose this question, becuase I was thinking about it the other day myself. We have a black member in our alumni chapter, and I have to say that I really don't have a problem with him being there. He is active, pays his dues, and contributes.

As long as these black members understand that our organizations are founded on principles that uplift the white kommunity. I welcome any and all help, becuase there is so much need in our kommunities, especially here in DC. If we as a kommunity were to take care of our own, maybe outside help would not be needed, but I digress.

I know that there are those who would disgree, and I know of some brothers who feel differently, but that is simply my take on it.

Also, Alpah Beta Fraternity, Inc. was the First WGLO to have a provision in it's constitution that precluded members from barring perspectives based on race.

My founders saw the evils that were visited upon them by blacks, and instead of addopting the same flawed way of doing things, they charted their own course, and rose above the discrimination and hatred that was so prevelant in those days (and still happens today).

God I love those men

MN


chopperdude 11-25-2009 04:05 PM

is in this day and age is color so important.

Senusret I 11-25-2009 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldar1 (Post 1869930)
You sound like a racist.


How does this sound?

And again, we say:


Quote:

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1869928)
This thread has not been replied to in 9 years.

I doubt [mandingoNUPE] will see your response.

And now, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Conway Twitty!

DrPhil 11-25-2009 04:07 PM

LOL

ETA: LOL, LMAO, LMBO, and OMG that is soooooooooo F-ing funny!

Interested13 11-25-2009 04:24 PM

well I saw that the tread was nine years old after I posted that, My opinion got out after all didn't it. Oh, and Im interested because I am a white planning on joining a BGLO

DrPhil 11-25-2009 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869940)
Oh, and Im interested because I am a white planning on joining a BGLO

Yay. We like for all aspirants to share more about themselves and their motivation for joining the org of interest.

knight_shadow 11-25-2009 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chopperdude (Post 1869931)
is in this day and age is color so important.

Shut up, Tom.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1869932)
And again, we say:

And now, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Conway Twitty!

LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869940)
well I saw that the tread was nine years old after I posted that, My opinion got out after all didn't it. Oh, and Im interested because I am a white planning on joining a BGLO

You asked discogoddess a question. That =/= an opinion.

Keep it moving, please.

Interested13 11-25-2009 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1869941)
Yay. We like for all aspirants to share more about themselves and their motivation for joining the org of interest.

I really like KAPsi

DrPhil 11-25-2009 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869945)
I really like KAPsi

I really doubt you're a white BGLO aspirant.

Interested13 11-25-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1869946)
I really doubt you're a white BGLO aspirant.

Why do u say that?

knight_shadow 11-25-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1869946)
I really doubt you're a white BGLO aspirant.

Bursting this kid's bubble :(

Senusret I 11-25-2009 04:34 PM

Because everyone knows that Sigma is the white people's choice.

Interested13 11-25-2009 04:38 PM

why else would I be looking at this nine year old thread lol

DrPhil 11-25-2009 04:39 PM

And no self-respecting white man would want to be a Kappa.

Interested13 11-25-2009 04:41 PM

Oh, and why is that?

DrPhil 11-25-2009 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869950)
why else would I be looking at this nine year old thread lol

Okay, let's pretend you really are a white BGLO aspirant. I advise you to find something better to do than bring up old threads.

knight_shadow 11-25-2009 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869950)
why else would I be looking at this nine year old thread lol

WOMP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1869951)
And no self-respecting white man would want to be a Kappa.

LOL

Interested13 11-25-2009 04:44 PM

Wow, I hope this makes you feel good about yourself, but Im pledging KAPsi Phi Nu Pi, and some guy on the internets opinion isn't gonna change mine

Interested13 11-25-2009 04:48 PM

anyways what makes you the authority on whites pledging kappa?

knight_shadow 11-25-2009 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869956)
Wow, I hope this makes you feel good about yourself, but Im pledging KAPsi Phi Nu Pi, and some guy on the internets opinion isn't gonna change mine

But some woman's opinion will change your mind?

Interested13 11-25-2009 04:50 PM

Not what I meant

knight_shadow 11-25-2009 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869959)
Not what I meant

Shut up.

Interested13 11-25-2009 04:52 PM

But women are persuasive, in person at least lol, but a women would not change my mind either

knight_shadow 11-25-2009 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869961)
But women are persuasive, in person at least lol, but a women would not change my mind either

Again -- shut up.

Interested13 11-25-2009 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1869955)
WOMP.

What?

33girl 11-25-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interested13 (Post 1869967)
What?

You're toast!!!


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