That was just the first example I saw so I used it-
Someone else in here was right, it is no worse, (albeit probably not as bad) as writing about getting drunk in a thread.

But no one on the internet knows you are over 21, no one on the internet knows that you don't basically "Live" in a bar and no one on the internet knows just whether or not you are being sarcastic.

It does reflect on your org. We have had this debate since I joined GC back in, what, 1999, or something. When you post on the internet, and you have your greek letters, you are representing your organization.

I don't care whether or not some members here really do basically live in a bar, that is their choice, but I am also not a PNM looking at sororities. There are many places you can go, particularly in the south or at any competitive rush school, where just having that listed as your location would get your brought up on membership eligibility. Is it fair? Not to me, but each chapter and each location is different. No I was not picking on you, I was using an example. If you look up my username you can probably find some of my old posts and find PLENTY of examples (note: I don't use my sig when I post anything controversial). Yours was just the first example I saw.

It doesn't offend me at all, I don't get easily offended, however some PNMs (and sisters of yours at other locations) just may.

I don't recall calling your location crass or offensive (I said in SOME places it MAYBE called crass). But if you want to get all huffed up for nothing, go for it.

Ditto here (although replace "large and very competitive" with "fairly big and moderately competitive"). Obviously I can't speak for all the sororities, but I would be very surprised if belonging to a drinking group had any affect whatsoever on your ability to get a bid. (Drug-related groups, however, could be a different story.)


Speaking of how we represent our organizations on here, I don't think I'll surprise anyone by saying that, as standards vary wildly from school to school and org to org, we should just keep our eyes out for own sisters and leave other people's alone, mmmkay? For example, at my school, alcohol and shacking were absolutely acceptable, thus alluding to them on the facebook would be par for the course with sorority girls. At other schools, not so much. My personal opinion is that as a PNM, you should err on the side of caution and not join groups like "I'm the ABC University's Version of Paris Hilton!" Once you've been a member of the system for a while, you know what's acceptable and what's not, and you can adjust your profile accordingly.

Depending on the school I feel that joining party groups, not necessarily the "look at me, I'm a slut" group might actually help you. People do join sororities for the social and party aspect of it, and while every sorority wants the girl who has a 4.0, does lots of community service, the whole nine yards, how much is she really going to fit in with your chapter if she never goes out with anyone from it? When I was rushing, in one group's room I was asked by the girl who was showing me around "where do you usually go to party?" and this being before I had my fake yet, my friends and I didn't go out much and I told her that. I had a feeling that me being cut from that group had something to do with that.

Thanks for reassuring me guys.

Actually, you used your signature when you posted this, for example:

do use your tongue on multiple parts and look me in the eyes...
do use that carnal instinct
do go deep even when I say fast

DONT stop until I am done or tell you too.
DONT keep going when I am dry unless you want a raw D$*#
DONT say something about any part of my body jiggling or bouncing, that to me equals fat, which is not sexy.
AND DONT ask me how I like your hard bone.... really can you please come up with another name for it, dogs chew on bones, guys screw with a dick!

Nothing personal, but I just thought it was interesting considering what you're saying in this thread. I mean, is that the kind of thing you want associated with your letters -- since apparently you think it's okay to judge people on that sort of thing?

Really, this whole thread is ridiculous, I think. If I were a PMN and I saw something like this, I'd run for the hills thinking sorority girls were a bunch of antiquated, snotty freaks. If I meet a woman and have fun talking to her and like her as a person, it wouldn't occur to me to get all high-and-mighty judgmental on her because of something she posted on the facebook or anywhere else. I think people need to chill.

THANK YOU!!!!


Oh and ilovemyglo, even if you don't use your signature for posts that you wouldn't want your letters associated with, it's really not that hard to tell what sorority I'm in when one can do a search for your previous posts and see your signature on them.

yes this is possible and yes It was done to one chapter of a friend of mineon the facebook AND an internet webshots page. the unversity stepped up its security on the site and now everyone who leaves or graduates has their email, which is how u logged on, deleted upon graduation.

Facebook, as many said, can be a gret tool espec. for promoting Panhellenic and recruitment! But like everything else you should take it with a grain of salt.....

I don't think ilovemyglo was judging ADqtPiMel in her post. I think she was just illustrating some of the psycho-ness of competitive rushes and ADqtPiMel just happened to have conveniently posted.


Certainly ilovemyglo is not someone I would group with the "Those-That-Judge-Others-Harshly-For-Obscure-Moral-Reasons."

LOL I was actually going to come back and edit my post because I feel like I was being kind of mean. Guess it's too late now.

lol, good shit

Thank God someone said it.


I am wasted in my facebook picture with a girl from a different GLO pretending to dump beer on me and I am covered head to toe in mud. At an event known as Springfest at my university held for 20 years by a fraternity. If by looking at this picture you are going to assume i am dumb drunk girl then I probably won't want to be your friend anyway. I know it sounds mean but why do I want to be friends with someone who is going to assume that. But one could also say why associate yourself with me if I protray my self like that.... o well its stupid.

this thread was begun to aid pnms. i don't think it is stupid.

whittleschmeg, it sounds like you had fun at springfest at your school--nothing wrong with that. but did you ever think that a pnm might look at your facebook picture and think that you are being hazed? they might not know that the other girl in the picture is in another glo. it might scare aomeone off who would be a perfect match for your chapter. every new student enrolling in your college may not know everything there is to know about springfest, and may not associate your photo with that event.

as someone said earlier, everyone should practice discretion. college administrators, advisors and national officers of our sororities can access ones information and sanctions could be handed out.

I think this is the point! This is exactly why I've taken on a new name. I know that our national offices monitor THIS site. I want to be able to speak freely without having to worry about anyone shaking a finger at me or my GLO.

To add to valkyrie, yes this is ridiculous. But, we have pages of threads about cutting and being cut for stupid reasons. (clothing, HS rep, sneezing) I guess I reason it this way: As far as the pics, is it something you'd frame and use as a prop during recruitment? For PNM's, would you turn it in with your rush app? Just to reiterate what several of our GC sages have preached: err on the side of caution, and discretion is the key!

I rushed last year before facebook, but I am a younger student. I can pretty much guaruntee that if I had gone on to facebook and seen one of the girls I really liked doing a beer bong on facebook or something crazy, I would think "hey she likes to go have fun and not just study and do community service" I wouldnt cut a sorority for that and neither would any of the girls I KNOW that went thru formal. It's just dumb to 1) judge someone based on ONE picture & 2) judge a whole sorority on one person

Actually no, she pledged and was initiated quite a while ago.

It's not deleted when you graduate. Instead of showing that you are a student, it shows that you are an alum.

As far as potential employers, you can only view the profiles of people that are at your school, unless you are friends with them. The only way a potential employer could look you up was if they knew somebody that went to school with you that had a facebook profile.

Does that clear things up? :)

Although my sorority isn't affiliated with a national sorority yet,(Hopefully this fall though..yay!!!) we have a facebook account. We have been recruiting freshman (class of '09) to join. Out of the 115 girls registered for the class of '09 we have gotten about 35 possible interested girls, which we are very excited about considering there are no sororities at my school!!!

So far facebook has been great in that area, but who knows what will happen in the future...I can see how it could cause problems though.

-Emily

thank you 33 for spotting my typo. i knew you would see it and point it out. i have corrected my mistake.

Its funny because I saw nothing wrong with my facebook picture before i read this thread...and now though I don't feel I was doing anything wrong in the picture I can see where people who didn't know me could look at that picture and get the wrong idea...Discretion is key and I whole heartedly agree

Recently, I have looked up girls who have asked me for recs on The Facebook, Myspace & Friendster...to see if they pledged, because I hadn't heard otherwise.

One of them who didn't pledge (or hasn't "connected" herself to a sorority) seems to enjoy partying much more than school. At least, from what I can tell by her pictures, comments, grops, etc.

I can't help feeling uncomfortable that last year, I had recommended her to my sorority.

At Ole Miss they are cracking down on PNMs and actives who are using facebook to dirty rush.

Check this out:
Memorandum:

To: NPC member sorority presidents, recruitment chairs, and advisors

From: Greek Life Office

Re: The Facebook.com

Date: July 7, 2005

As most of you are probably aware, thefacebook.com has become an increasingly popular website for many college students and many of your members. As technology changes and advances, it can present new challenges and issues to our recruitment processes. The Panhellenic Council has made significant efforts to communicate some necessary adjustments in order to hold to our Panhellenic Constitution and the recruitment rules. It seems, however, that there are still some misunderstandings concerning thefacebook.com. This memo is being sent to all parties involved as a way of clearing up any possible misinterpretations of the recruitment rules and how they apply to thefacebook.com.

There are two main issues that have presented some difficulty:
1) Having “groups” representing a particular sorority. (i.e.-the “Beta Beta group”)
*****Please remove these groups from the website immediately! PNM’s have become friends with members and then become “groupies.” So to eliminate the problem altogether, we asked all groups to take the groups off. Several sororities have already taken this action. For those that have, thank you for your cooperation. For those of you that have not, we have set a deadline of Wednesday, July 13th to remove your sorority’s group from thefacebook.com.

2) Current undergraduate members of sororities being “friends” with potential new members.
*****Members of NPC sororities at the University of Mississippi cannot be “friends” via thefacebook.com with any potential new members!! This is a clear violation of the Panhellenic recruitment rules during the pre-recruitment period. Section II, #2:

“Sorority women may not have phone conversations, written contact, or internet contact (email, instant messenger, etc…) or arranged meetings with Potential New Members for the purpose of acquainting them with their sorority.”

Again, the Panhellenic Council has made numerous attempts to communicate this rule to every sorority and how it applies thefacebook.com. Obviously it is rather difficult to keep track of every single sorority woman and their acquaintances via thefacebook.com. But because there are still many woman who remain “friends” via thefacebook.com, we are setting a deadline of Wednesday, July 13th at 12:00 p.m. noon for ALL sorority women at the University of Mississippi to remove their “friendships” with ALL potential new members.

For every violation after noon on July 13th, 2005 there will be a $300 fine. For every day after that (defined at noon each day), there will be an additional $100 fine.

We understand that this may seem excessive. But with the advancement of technology and culture, we must adapt to the new changes to abide by our constitution. As a Panhellenic Council, we have been charged with upholding the rules and ideals of sorority women at Ole Miss. We are working hard to make Recruitment 2005 the very best it can be. We urge everyone to cooperate in the spirit of fair play.
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All of the sororities got ride of their groups but it is hard to regulate this be/c before they made these rules some of the actives and some of the PNMs have made friends with each other so now they are having to defriend each other!

We haven't been issued a warning yet from Panhellenic, but our president and chapter advisor have encouraged us to remove ourselves from groups promoting drinking and drugs. I don't really see the big deal with the drinking groups because pretty much every typical college student drinks, not just Greeks. However, a small group of my sisters (only about 3 or 4 girls) are in groups like "Professional Weed Smokers of WVU", which I think can reflect negatively on my chapter. I hope we do take harsher action against that before fall recruitment.
As for eliminating chapter's groups on facebook, I think that's going a little far. If the PNMs want a preview of the girls they're going to be rushing for a week, I don't see the problem with it. I can see though the problem with befriending PNMs through facebook.

2 cents
 

including remarks made on this website. theres a huge readership here. i know plenty of you post under the funny rush stories forum, & while it's silly to hear a young girl ask something about hair color... how do you think PNMs see you (or your org) after habitual unwarranted remarks? especially personal remarks/remarks about other orgs? (this is clearly more of an issue on fratty.net. on that note, i wonder if orgs have created standars to prevent this kind of thing yet)

anyway .... it doesn't exactly make them feel welcome & positive about your role in the greek community. or the greek community at large for that matter. while it is unlikely that one person would carry a comment that far, if it is an individual who has had bad experiences or had exposure to a lot of bad press.. it could be enough to leave a lasting impression on them.

i'm not saying it is common or that it happens a lot, but it is a viewpoint that isn't considered very often around here (until threads are deleted after the fact). being a PNM, i think it's an equally important factor.

the internet is a casual environment. most pictures are jokes & sarcasm is pretty much the norm. most understand that. i doubt that anyone would judge an entire organization (or a person) by the contents of a breif profile.. but if there was something that blatantly stuck out or was consistent with other behavior.. i see how it could make a difference.


anyway the point of all this rambling is:


stay conscious of the impression you make whether it is in person, over an email, or on a place like facebook. greek member, pnm, or a third party.. impressions are lasting.

well said!!

Re: 2 cents
 

I would hope any high-schoolers or PNMs that are reading the funny rush stories thread are using it as a series of cautionary tales as to what NOT to do. Plus there are just as many stories on there of sisters doing stupid things! It's no different than the columns in Seventeen etc where people write in about their most embarrassing moments.

And anyone who says something crappy about another group here on GC gets the smackdown pretty quickly. fratty.net, not so much.

i was referring to members who are rude to newcomers or younger girls with questions. or who are just unnecessarily rude/harsh on a habitual basis.

if you are turned off by certain traits during rush, chances are those girls are turned off by the same things from you. it isn't limited to rush in any way, it's just general manners.

Ok when recruitment at a school like mine is going on (STL Kappa you can feel me on this) or other huge schools where over 1000 PNM's go through rush, how in the heck are sorority members supposed to a) remember some chick from some party during 16 party day...yeah right, when that day is over the only thing I want is SLEEP and b) even have the time during recruitment to get on facebook? Maybe I'm just thinking of my campus, and especially my house but I don't think anybody looks girls up on facebook before they go through. That to me just seems incredibly creepy... And if some girl doesn't want to join my house or any of the other amazing sororities on our campus b/c she finds our facebook groups offensive then oh well, that's HER loss. Life is too short you guys...


And if people are so worried about this just change your settings so only people you list as a friend can look at your profile...problem solved.

I don't want to say too much, but I am going to be honest. I know that on the campuses where I advise these websites are used by current members during recruitment. This year was the first year I had heard of it. I believe there are a few different sites.

However, the members were only looking for seriously inappropriate representations. I hope that eases some peoples minds.

I wish I could give some examples of the seriously inapproriate things that were found. That, as well, would be inappropriate.

Re: PNM's: Beware of Thefacebook
 

On the other hand , if you're a guy and thinking of rushing of fraternity, don't be worried about what you did/ said on the facebook/anywhere on line. what ever you did/ said was cool if we think you're cool, but If you are worried about it, you will be black balled.

~WARNING!~

This is my 2 minute rant on facebook!

I'm an active alumna so of course I'm on facebook, and one of the new members facebooked me without even knowing me! Then at homecoming when I met her she didn't even know who I was! I mean if your excited about your GLO your excited but it's no reason to randomly facebook people unless you have ever spoken to them! I will also throw in that I stop by the house ALL of the time since I live in town and one of my closest friends is still living in house, so we go out to dinner and stuff all of the time.

It gets better though... one of the other new members has all sorts of innaproperiate pictures in her album. Like pictures of dildo's and drunk people passed out with wet shirts that you can see through! I'm going to pass along the cautions of facebook to the chapter advisor and president. This way the girls can have a friendly reminder that you are always promoting yourself and your GLO!

Side note: This is the easiest way to not be voted in! If I still had that option I would not want these girls as sisters!

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet or not, but even if it has, it bears repeating.

I am increasingly hearing about Greek Advisors who troll Facebook, Webshots, AOL away messages, etc., to find ammunition to use against the GLOs on their campus. It's not uncommon for these administrators to see pics of the GLO members doing things that appear to be hazing, when oftentimes the activities in question occurred before the member even went Greek.

Also, members of one GLO are turning another GLO in order to get their competition into trouble.

Please be mindful of what pictures you're posting online and what kinds of comments you make. The internet is NOT 100% anonymous.

/stepping off my soapbox

The Facebook is a really touchy issue. I am on it and I'm probably not in all of the most appropriate groups but I'm also in groups advertising academic sucess and/or philantrophic issues. However, I think the real danger lies in the facebook pictures. Especially now that they just allowed photo albums to be put up. I think it's all about moderation with it. You can put some groups that can suggest you are social but you shouldn't only be in groups supporting alcoholism. Also there's nothing wrong with a picture showing you out for the night and having fun. But dont put one of you dancing on a bar with your top off.

Chapters know what kind of behavior fits in with the rest of them. My chapter wouldn't be scared off by a girl who has a few mentions of going out. but if that was all she mentioned we might be wary.

My best word of advice is just to be smart. But I also didn't come from a school with a competitive rush so my idea of what being smart is might be too much.

So my other bit of advice is know your school's greek system

Question
 

Okay, i've read all these posts about what not to say/post, etc. but I have a different question.

I gather that someone can post a note on your "wall" or whatever it is called. Since it is "your wall", if you find it offensive, etc., can you yourself remove it or can only the post-er and/or moderator remove it?

Thanks.

Re: Question
 

You can remove it yourself

I cannot imagine considering using facebook as a rush reference. If they're GDI material on facebook then I'm pretty sure they will be miserable during rush and will get balled. If you're rushing you should be able to tell what kind of person you're rushing without trying to dig up dirt.

When most women are going through rush, they act all nice and innocent, they are not going to say to you (usuallywont some,some others are very blunt) "o hey i get drunk every day and i smoke pot frequently." i was a Gamma Chi this year, but I know that facebook was used by many chapters as a referance. Most things on facebook are not taken seriously, but if they are in a group that says for instance "4:20 is my favorite day of the year" that is a strike against someone because most women will not join groups like that in pure fun unless they really do smoke a lot. or if say you see in their pictures that they are making out with different guys in several different pictures that would be a negitive. Women going through recruitment want to be in a chapter they like, they will not say bad things about themselves, so the rusher would have no way of knowing what this girl is like. Without facebook recruitment would probably be the same, but it just gives a little edge on chapters parts.

this is my rant.
 

with everyone putting down the facebook, i think it's a great tool for rushee's!

i know i look through facebooks. i think pnms can use facebook to their advantage. brag a little on the facebook and include information about maybe how you volunteer at a children's hospital, etc. you can use facebook to put information you didn't get to tell to sororities during recruitment to make yourself look better.

Of course, avoid putting things down like "I LoOoOoOve to get WAAAAASTEEEED!!" and things of that nature. Or anything like "I SLEEP AROUND!!!" You get my drift ;)

Who cares?!?!?!?!

If a rushee was looking up things about my fraternity on facebook, odds are I wouldnt want him, because to be frank thats pretty gay.

Second, if because Im in a group that says i like to get drunk, etc, and he would decide not to join because of that, screw him. If hes gonna throw in the towel after a few comments, he doesnt deserve to wear my fraternities letters.

Third, If anyone takes facebook that seriously, I dont care if its a girl or a guy or what is said, then theyd get the ax from us because they most certainly wouldnt make it through pledgeship.

I hate all this hypersensitive crap. If a kid cant take a joke or two on the internet, or absolutely wont be able to overcome people who like to go out and get hammered, then dont give the kid a bid, because lets be serious, how much of that smae stuff goes on both in college and after graduating? My guess would be quite the lot.