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TheEpitome1920 06-03-2005 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by hoosier
Webster's II New Riverside Pocket Dictionary (revised edition):

"Reparations. War payments required from a defeated nation."

Until someone tells me which war we lost, I oppose reparations.

We lost the war of treating people, regardless of skin color, like human beings.Goes back to when barbaric colonizers first set foot on this continent to June 3, 2005 and counting...

TheEpitome1920 06-03-2005 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
S: (n) reparation (compensation (given or received) for an insult or injury) "an act for which there is no reparation"
S: (n) reparation ((usually plural) compensation exacted from a defeated nation by the victors) "Germany was unable to pay the reparations demanded after World War I"
S: (n) repair, fix, fixing, fixture, mend, mending, reparation (the act of putting something in working order again)
S: (n) reparation, amends (something done or paid in expiation of a wrong) "how can I make amends"

:D :rolleyes:

Thanks PJ!

Tom Earp 06-03-2005 09:53 PM

WOW, Slavery Did Happen. It is a Historical Fact, no doubt about it.

Beating a Dead Horse is not going to change History. If you can change History fine, explain to Me and the Rest of Us How You are going to do it.

You keep saying in ToTo about How down trodden you as Blacks are.

Is there still Racial Prejiduce, yes there is, in many forms. :( Oh, not just Black and White.

Please dont Wear You So Called Burden on the backs of everyone who You think wants to hear or You want to wear it.


TheEpitome1920,

trying to figure out your Date Structure.

Why dont some of you forget about color and try to act like you are part of the Human Race?


I dont think what Our Men/Women who are fighting a War is or has anything to do with Color.

Your God Damn Pettiness is sickening! This is not pointed towards one individual poster but a myrid of You.

If you have a problem with this Post, PM Me!

Munchkin03 06-04-2005 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
I wonder how many Blacks folks will keep their shares?
I can't imagine anyone giving up their shares---especially if they're very profitable.

Most people aren't idealistic enough to give up their retirement, college funds, or personal savings regarding something that most American institutions with histories dating to that era were connected to in some way.

Brown and Yale's ties to slavery haven't affected the application rates for black students, nor have African-American members of their Corporations resigned. Aetna hasn't an experienced a mass exodus of black customers. These revelations have not impacted the way that we do business.

hoosier 06-04-2005 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
We lost the war of treating people, regardless of skin color, like human beings.Goes back to when barbaric colonizers first set foot on this continent to June 3, 2005 and counting...
I'm still confused: who won?

And how do you explain the people trying to get to the USA, via inner tubes from the islands, via their legs from Mexico, via decrepid boats from Vietnam. etc. If the USA is so bad, why is immigration one of our biggest problems?

If we put an empty ship at the harbor in Miami or Long Beach, with a sign saying "Free one-way trips to Africa", and a ship in the harbor in (your choice: any African city, Russia, Palestine, China, India, etc.) with a sign "Free one-way trips to USA), which would fill up faster?

KSig RC 06-04-2005 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Recognition of a problem is often the first step, no? When you don't recognize something how can you work to solve the problem? That's where the apology comes in.
You're misunderstanding me, and thus your reply really doesn't make sense in the context of the discussion I'm trying to encourage here.

I'm not sure how this apology furthers the understanding of how the lingering effects of slavery affect black Americans.

Working to solve the problem requires identification of how, exactly, the problem manifests itself today, and how to best attack the root causes of these problems to eliminate them, and not merely to assuage one or two select portions of inequity. How can you propose a solution to a problem until you know how the problem can even be addressed?

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
In Robinson's book (which I don't have on hand at the moment) outlines one of the many proposals. If anyone is geniunely interested in these issues I think they would encourage our government to make serious moves. There have been other instances in our country's history where groups have been given reparations, so why is this conversation so difficult to have when it comes to Black folks? Is it simply because the people who were actually enslaved have passed on??
When I get a chance, I'll look into Robinson's book, thanks for the recommendation.

With regard to reparations in this particular sense, I think that you are partially correct to say that the fact that those directly affected are long dead plays a part - although I can't say how much. Race is a hotbutton topic for many, as well, and so that clouds the conversation with emotional arguments and misunderstanding (as we've seen just in this thread).

For me personally, I think that the concept of reparations can only exist under a plan of helping the African American population in general, and not by paying specific families. After all, those who came to the States well after the end of slavery are still affected by lingering racism and a fiscal/educational divide. It is vital to understand the 'how' and not merely the 'why' of lingering effects of slavery.

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
And madmax did make a reference to money out of pocket
I didn't read his posts after the first, my bad - regardless, the vast majority of discussion has little or nothing to do with this (highly emotional, fallacious) argument.

Rudey 06-05-2005 04:12 PM

I'm just saying that banks are targeted because the industry is so competitive and lobbyists for the competitors love it. You can make of that what you want, but if you think there is any altruistic reasoning behind the greed, you might be surprised...

-Rudey


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