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Working in the field does not mean you're an expert on criminal justice, and it seems like you're trying to pass yourself off as one.

Nope. I said I worked in the field, which is certainly true.

And, you didn't ask if I was an expert, you asked if I had experience, which I certainly do.

Additionally, I'm not sure why you'd need to have a masters from John Jay to qualify for discussion here -- this is about a cop's treatment of a fairly routine situation, no? From what I read in the post (Buddha's description of the situation and Buddha's reactions) the cop was justified in his actions.

your example and my example are completely different. either you know that and just dont want to admit it, or you need to take a basic logic class

The problem is you initial comment. In no way is appropriate or even acceptable to judge some based on theior appearance. Just because she has dreads and wearing a Bob Marlet t-shirt does it mean that she smokes pot, was smoking pot, or ever has smoked pot. We don't know what she does and neither did this cop. Her attire should in no way reflect her behaviour and for this cop to do what he did was wrong, and so was your comment.

Cash, racial profiling is a big problem in many police departments.

Her attire DOES reflect her behavior. She admitted she smokes pot.

Remind me where the cop was wrong. Where he questioned the two girls pulled over in a car on an abandoned street? The one that matched the description of a car that'd been harassing students? When he asked if they'd been drinking or doing drugs -- WHILE THEY WERE SITTING IN A CAR?

I'm sorry, I just disagree. You're way off base here.

I'm sorry...where did she say she smoked weed? Where did she say she was parked on an abandoned street.

In the original post, she told the cop the flakes were from her meal. She never admitted to smoked pot. Secondly, she was not parked on an abandoned highway, she was at the university.

Last time I checked, sitting in a car having a meal, was not a crime.

I need to take a basic logic class? Seriously, if you lack intelligence, speak to others like you. Do not even think we are anywhere in the same league.

-Rudey

What's wrong with smoking pot?

-Rudey

There are better ways to approach a car--- how about "is everything ok here" The cop should look for the subtle indicators that would say if she was drunk, stoned, etc-- ANYONE, especially a trained person should be able to smell pot, a trained person should know to look at the pupils and tell if they are dialating abnormally, etc. If all appears ok, let them eat their lunch.

And she admitted on a message board that she has smoked pot, I am sure she didn't tell the cop as he walked up "hey, i 've smoked pot in the past- but not today" She was eating lunch!

And yes, racial profiling is a big deal alot of places, there has been much ado about it here in the past. Maybe it has something to do with racial profiling and I don't fit the criteria-- but I have NEVER been approached by a cop in the way she described-- regardless of skin color-- that is uncalled for. I got stop by the cop a couple of weeks ago-- I was speeding (well over 20mph over the limit)-- the cop walked to the car- told me I was speeding, I acted surprised, he asked what I thought the limit was, I told him I thought it was 65 (i knew it was 55)-- he came back apologized for bothering my evening and told me to have a nice night and try to slow down I might not just get a warning next time. That is how I expect to be treated, regardless of getting a ticket or not-- manners are still important!

What she did yesteday, or 3 years ago, has no bearing on what she was doing that day. Again, you can't harrass or arrest someone, based on what they might to. You also can't harrass or arrest someone on what they might have done when you have no evidence. Since you work in law enforcement, you should know that. the cop was way out of line.

aaaaaaaaaand I also know he wasn't harassing her.

Checking in on two people sitting in a car on the side of an otherwise abandoned road IS HIS JOB.

Asking if anyone was inebriated or intoxicated, when they'd obviously driven there (hence the car) and probably planned to drive home IS HIS JOB.


sigh.

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This clearly shows that she was profiled, and the "responding to a call on this car" thing was most likely BS. If there was a problem with them being parked in that area, the cop should have just said "please move on" without all the BS comments about weed and such that this guy made.

I'm going to go home and give myself a stigmata and see if I get a cop asking me if I've walked on water or raised Lazarus from the dead today. :rolleyes:

If you know anything about probable cause, you know that wearing a Bob Marley tshirt (that a cop couldn't even see before he got up to the car so it certainly wasn't why he stopped) does not mean a police officer has a reason to stop someone. It doesn't matter if someone smokes pot every single day when she's at home. The cops must have a reasonable belief that she has committed, is committing or will commit a crime.

I think where we disagree here is that you're taking the cop's word that someone reported the car and I'm not. I think it's more likely than not that the cop never got a call and is just using the "report" as a reason to stop someone. I've seen stuff like that happen many times.

First off, unless you have been in Law Enforcement then you dont have a friggen clue.:mad:

In Many Areas, You can sign up for a ride along program, get off of your back sides and try it. Eye opener.

I went threw shoot dont shoot scenerio after being on the streets for 6 years. EYE OPENER to the extreme! See people die, no matter what reason is bad.:(

Was shot once, and that was enough.

For you civilians, when driving a car with shield, a Badge, and a gun with lights and siren does not keep you safe from trying to protect innocent people from the dirt bags who are trying to do things to them.:mad:

I was told the first night of acadamey all you will see is good people that bad people did bad to or the bad people. Figure the worst and hope for the best.

Officers have certain districts that they patrol all of the time and if they see a strange car, then they check it out.

So, you were embarresed, well, if this dude was trying to rape you, you would have been tickled to death to see a COP pull up.

Try wearing the shoes instead of complaining about it.

Hell, if I did not know the car, I would have checked it out, and if your mouth got over whelming, yes, there would have been a problem.

Dont blame everyone else when you were the center of attraction.

Suggestion, get a room next time!

Oh, Smoking is illegal and it does hang in the air and in Your system if run for 30 days, DA!

Not always! Picture beautiful woman, dressed in desinger clothes, nails done, hair done, etc. at a exclusive high society event-- who is this woman, a trophy wife, an upcoming socialite, or an escort. Very different ends of the spectrum there.

Or same extreme- much more common scenario.... its 2am- woman is pulled over-- her hair is a mess, her clothes look askew, she doesn't seem coherent-- is she a coming home half lite from a wild night or driving to Walmart to buy her sick kid some medicine.

Clothes don't always reflect the behavior.

Unless you've been a criminal defense attorney or a criminal defendant, you don't have a clue as to the other side, either.

HAHA, been on both sides and it sucks!:confused:

It's been a whole page of dialogue and no attempted calling-outs.

Lil Hannah where are you?! :confused:

Well which was it? A criminal defence attorney or a criminal defendant?

dude, you just lost cool points.

first i am a female...

second, i was joking about the weed with rudey.

third, it is my right to sit on the side of the road with my thumb up my ass if i want as along as i am not violating anyone elses rights!!!!

i was eating popeye's chicken on my lunch break filing out grad school applications with my girlfriend.

the fact that you say my grooming may be a problem, this is the year 2005, you ass. just because i wear loccs doesn't mean a thing. if i had on a 2pac, biggie or a mumia t-shirt should that have gotten me questioned, especially if i was in a parking spot already?


think before you answer, please!!!

first off....read the freaking beginning of the thread. i was in front of a university in tarrytown eating lunch and filling out grad school applications.

me and my girlfriend was the only person of color in the area. school was out for the afternoon.

my Poppa Buddha, my step father, my brother and two cousin are police officers. i know what CPR is. do you?


god, you sound like an idiot!!

*to be honest juding from the tone in my voice, i was giving the cop shit?*

yep another idiot has passed into this wayward system of ours. i feel for the kids you surround.

the funny thing about the way hotdamn thinks is he automatically assumed that i was doing something wrong.

the cop did not greet me in a mannerly fashion. he did not use CPR. When i asked him if there was a problem officer, he said yes. that i am my girlfriend were seen harassing students on the campus. my girlfriend goes to fordham university and had her books in her lap. although there were applications all in the front seat. i had to put them down to give him my license. this fool put his nose in my drink to see if i was drinking alcohol. and had the nerve to ask me if i was smoking weed, because i had chicken crumbs in my lap.


ooooooooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!

from the jump i was polite and answered all his questions politely although they were rude. i did not use a tone or any kind.

i am very familiar with how police officers work. and i understand how they do there job but that was not protocol. it is very sickening to know that hot damn assumes by the tone of my thread that i was in the wrong.

being from florida, i have been profiled several times having a car with new york plates. i have jumped up and down 95 north and south and have passed through little towns that wait for people like me to pass through because they need to earn some kind of money for there little hick towns. i have heard all types of bob marley jokes, weed jokes, dread jokes just because of my physical appearance. not to mention the n word. of course these are the same towns that happened to be handing out guns and badges to those red necks that live in them.


so racial profiling happens....

i am sorry guys...i keep reading this post and i just makes me mad. it really does!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


by the way..i wear red. so that makes me a Blood too, huh?

Why should it? So, because I sometime wear a Phish or a Grateful Dead t-shirt, that automatically make me a pothead or doing something illegal?

Actually, I didn't. I said I agreed with how the cop handled the situation.

Though I do think your earlier admission to using pot weakens your statement that the cop had no right to ask if you'd been smoking.

This from a white girl who dresses ridiculously conservatively and drives a 10 year old Volvo and STILL gets asked if she smoked any weed/had anything to drink tonight. THAT'S THEIR JOB. I don't complain about it. Apparently if I wore a Bob Marley tshirt I'd be justified in complaining?

What part, do you think, about the post title "I HATE COPS" and your tone in the thread MIGHT MAKE others think you weren't cordial and civil to the cop? This from a girl whose father, step brother, brother, and two cousins are cop?

Sorry, not buying this. Next.

This thread was a rant from a woman who was harrassed by a police officer and she wants to vent. The "tone" of this thread has nothing to do with her "tone" while speaking to the cop. You have no idea how she sounded while she was speaking to the cop. i would be mighty pissed too if I was harrassed by a cop.

You've never experience racial profiling, neither have I. But I've witnessed it first hand. You tell me when it's appropriate for a cop to pull someone over and repeatedly hurl racial slurs at them? The crime...an expired licence place sticker.

So, you hate all police officers based on one experience you had?

You are the smarterest ELAWYER ever. :)

And to throw some fun into this thread, perhaps Tom Earp went to People's College of Law!

Well you know what I read one time?

Janet Jackson likes Popeye's chicken...therefore since you were eating Popeye's you must be just like Janet and are planning to flash your nipple at the next group of schoolchildren you see and CONTRIBUTE TO THE MORAL DECAY OF THIS NATION!! :eek:

-33, who is now really glad that she had to drive a few extra blocks and put her car in the Park & Ride next to Popeye's. :D

I used to love eating Popeye's. It was the best. Don't get me started on teh bisquits. If I ate Popeye's, you could forget about work for the day. Heck, some days I did a Taco Bell and Popeye's combo lunch. Those were the good days.

-Rudey
--But now I'm a vegetarian and someone stole something good from my life :(

Tell me where I said I hated cops?

Popeye's chicken alone would keep me from being a vegetarian. You're obviously a stronger man than I.

What I miss the most is being able to order the crave case from white castle or like 40 tacos from taco bell with my boys and going to town.

-Rudey
--But given that I don't have the metabolism I used to, it's probably a good thing I don't do that.

i see i have to use widdle words with hotdamn. i did come in here to vent about ONE cop that was freaking annoying. now, that doesn't make all cops bad.

but i guess mt tone has said it all.

i am a bob marley dread wearing , weed smoking hippy with a sassy mouth.

someone pass the bong...i like the chronic from cali, it has an essential flavor. alot better then weed from new york.

wait...let me not joke around hotdamn, then he would consider me a drug dealer.

Bad Girls Bad Girls
Whatcha gonna do
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you.

Seriously though, that sucks.

Thank You Geeky P almost going to Legal School, but having delt with the people in front of Judges and Lawyers, You do get a feel of the scum bags and how they got away with crap. OH, that is on both sides of the law. The Bad, and The Legal Fleagals.

Hope you good luck in Your adventure of Law. When you get your shingle, what type are You going to try for? Criminal? Maybe Corporat, International, Death, Civil?

Is Money going to be the Main or doing the right thing? No Money but working for People?:)

OOPs, Din Din Is Calling!:cool:

I want to go into labor law and potentially work for a union.

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Where in the EFFIN' FCUK is Marymount-Fordham U. in Toontown?

Sorry, I just got a little SoCali '92 South Central Looter in a Riot flashback...

Besides, you pissed off some old fart that didn't have the fineness of your dreads to have some bullisht assed call made to a punk assed rentacop... Dude, you don't do a beat... You ain't in the slums... You ain't slanging The Shield and workin' your way up into FBI school... So EFF YOU!!!

Just like Bobby DeNiro said in that movie to Sly Stallone, "You, you're notta cop, I'ma cop--you're in law enforcement..."