Rudey,
I see where you are coming from. But to some people Howard is the best for a lot of reasons other than the general perception of the quality of the school.

For example, my daughter turned down Stanford with a scholarship to go to Howard without one. Why? Because she was born and raised in MN, and we both felt strongly that she needed Howard for reasons that are hard to articulate on here.

Has that hurt her in her career? No. She was highly recruited in her field after undergrad, later went on to grad school at a PWI, and again heavily recruited. She is now on the fast track in a Fortune 100 company. A lot of it is due to her experiences at Howard.

When she rushed Delta, she was turned down on her first try. She knew that having a 3.5 GPA, etc. was not going to automatically get her in the door. That was because of the 200+ in her rush group over 150 at 3.2s and above. And they all, too, had stellar community service and leadership. And at the time, the school set a pledge line limit of 50. So she knew she had to do things to rise to the top of the prospects. (And no, I am not talking about illegal things.) She did those things and was accepted on her second try.

I think this is to what CarolinaCutie is referring.

But it is also true to smaller campuses. A chapter doesn't have to accept anyone if they don't want to. So even the smaller chapters go for the best of the applicants. And if the whole applicant pool is mediocre then they can decide to not take a pledge line at all.

Really?

Hopefully that would be because you saw a (chapter of an) organization that captured your eye and your heart. Not just because Greekdom is "big" on campus. ;)

Hmmmm....

She is very on point.

Rudey's just kicking up dust as usual. Then people wonder why certain questions aren't answered on this board.

Hmmmm....

There is no ONE college or university that has the "best of the best." Harvard "kids" aren't the "best of the best." They are simply people who applied to Harvard and were accepted, for whatever reasons.

Howard is an excellent University, in general, and it is considered one of the "Ivy League of HBCUs" by many. As with every college and university in this country, the integrity of its students and academic programs vary.

I don't think there's any reason for us to defend Howard in this thread. The topic isn't even about that. Anyone with a grain of commonsense understands what we're all referencing and can see the point CarolinaCutie was making.

I certainly do not think a non-HBCU would be placed under this much scrutiny, as a deviation of THIS thread topic, to the point where people feel the need to respond in its defense. God forbid someone use an HBCU and "best" in the same sentence. God forbid people realize that these things are largely subjective criteria, in the first place, including how schools like Harvard are ranked.

But wouldn't the excitement and the spirit of Greek Life on campus be a great kick-start to my investigation of which sorority might be my perfect fit?

But thank you all for confirming that we're on the same page... I appreciate the straightforward answers.

It could be. ;) In this hypothetical, that would depend on whether you were exposed beforehand and other factors. ;)

I know some campuses where Greekdom is such a "big deal" that a lot of people are burned out and tired of seeing it. At least on the undergraduate level. :)

because they're pointless?

watch out, he'll ignore you.

To be the best you have to be better than others.

The SAT scores and 6 year graduation rates speak for themselves.

At the same time, there are gems at every school, including Howard. I don't know your daughter but from the way it sounds, she could be such a "gem".

Overall, I don't see how Howard is the best of the best (and the correlating statement that students at other schools are not better than those at Howard), but I do truly hope for all Greeks, that the best students (the gems) at every university choose to go Greek (including Howard).

I am sure you agree with me.

-Rudey

Is he for real????!!!

How am I wrong?

The scores do not speak for themselves?

Are some schools not better than some? You all claimed that Howard was better than all and I wanted to know why given those scores. I'm sure I and others are interested in why our schools are not as good as Howard.

Babe relax and talk with me if you feel different.

-Rudey

:rolleyes:

Unfortunately. :rolleyes:

What are they saying then?

There is nothing smart about having the ability to take an individual's words and change what they were saying to fit into your personal one-sided argument. Clever, but not smart.:rolleyes:

;)

"Clever" is too generous. I would use the phrase "deliberate and humorous."

"Best of the best" has one meaning. And what argument?

I am still of the conviction that Howard students do have some gems while not the best and hope that the Greeks on the campus are the gems (as I do with all schools). :)

Anyway, here's a question for all the wonderful BGLO folk that might know how Howard recruitment works: Who sets the limit on chapter size? Is it known? Is it a national policy?

-Rudey
--Relax sweetums

I said I didn't understand your logic, Rudey. Actually I did. I knew when you first posted about the "overachievers" where you were going with this.:rolleyes:

What I don't understand is why are you the way you are? Nobody said that Howard was better. What was said is that the greek organizations picks the best of the best AT HOWARD!

Why do you post questions the way you do? :( The original question has been answered. We shouldn't be debating about the quality of students at Howard.

Well liar, liar pants on fire?

Anyway, at that point I wasn't really building any sort of case; I was just asking about someone else's words.

-Rudey
--You should take comfort in the fact that men and women of all types of GLOs have taken issue with the way that I post.

To help us get back on the path:

Anyway, here's a question for all the wonderful BGLO folk that might know how Howard recruitment works: Who sets the limit on chapter size? Is it known? Is it a national policy?

-Rudey

You mean the path that you took us off when you tried to clown Howard?

:rolleyes:

^^^ These questions have already been answered in this thread.

;)

There's no debate as far as much of society is concerned. People think they know who the "best" is because only (powerful) white men in this society are allowed to dictate what "prestige" and "the best" are. Women and non-whites are just expected to go with whatever criteria they set forth. :D

Maybe Rudey's tangents were insightful, afterall. :cool:

Never mind, I don't know why I bothered to respond to you in the first place. Reminds me of a conversation I was having with one of my students.

If you're lucky he'll put you on ignore. :cool:

"I should punch you in the face"
I like that. LOL

On another note, my school is great and I do not have to argue with anyone to prove it.

What is the max number of people each chapter is allowed to take? I don't see that on any national website. And does the national office set up numbers for each school or no?

Now of course if you only know info for your BGLO, I'd be interested in hearing just that from you.

-Rudey
--You shouldn't ever resort to violent. :*(

That student is a gem.

-Rudey
--He/she will succeed wherever she goes to college.

I am special educator. I work with students of special needs. They include:

Learning Disabled (mild autism, dyslexic, dysgraphic, dyscalculic)
Mental Retardation
Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder
Emotional Disturbance
Other Health Impairments

who said that?

Ever since I saw the movie Rain man, I've been wanting to take an autistic kid to a casino. Can you arrange this for me?

-Rudey

Well, Carolina, in response to me calling Howard students over-achievers, said they were the best of the best and best means you are better than others.

-Rudey

:(

LOL. Not laughing at the kids, just the fact that Rudey had "connected" with the student.

There are no caps imposed on any of the organizations.

What are pledge line limits? And why would it be competitive then if there are no caps?

-Rudey
--We're all human and connected in the eyes of those greater than us. Let us never forget that.

Competitive-They don't choose everybody. They choose who they want. There were 300+ at my rush. Only 48 were chosen.

Limits-None

The national organization does not set limits on the number of members that they can accept. However, the school can and a lot of times does. That is why you will not find it listed on the nation sites. Also, in the situation where the school does not set a limit on the number of applicants that an org can take, then the chapter may exercise their discretion based on several factors. Does your org accept every PNM? I didn't think so?

The chapters at Howard are competitive because they are ALPHA CHAPTERS. Now this may not be significant to non NPHC members, but the Alpha Chapter is the birth place of the organization and VERY significant to NPHC memebers.

Also, taking 6 years to graduate is NOT a reflection of intelligence. There are SEVERAL factors that go into the amount of time it takes to graduate.

If you have something that you would ike to say concerning HBCU's or Black greeks or anything else why not come out and say it??

Thank You! There's no need to imply or beat around the bush. Speak what's on your mind.

Marie

Please do not feed the Rudith! (i.e. Rudey)

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