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Actually, its not. But thanks for spreading false stereotypes and sharing your general ignorance. In my chapter, if you are caught using cocaine, you get expelled. This makes the whole idea of cocaine at our parties absolutely absurd.

The sentence in that post of mine you quoted was accurate Russ: "I note all male GC members posting here have said the entry is, in some respects, a true reflection of many greek collegiate parties out there."
All male GC members posting in the thread HAD responded as such.

I've already grown tired of pointing out that sweeping things under the carpet is a dangerous and slippery slope.

In my chapter, if you are caught using cocaine, you get expelled. This makes the whole idea of cocaine at our parties absolutely absurd.
If your chapter has no risk management issues associated with narcotics then all well and good. That doesn't mean that generally speaking it a) doesn't happen in greek life, or b) it isn't frequent (or that it is). In any case, I'm not the blog author.

Do you want to cite sources for your sweeping generalizations about risk management issues? I just served as a national officer for four years, and declined a position on our Executive Council for this biennium. I know the issues inside and out.

You are basically citing a blog and hearsay as evidence, while offering no credentials for your expertise. The best part is how you claim that "all male GC members posting in the thread HAD responded as such." Only two male GCers have posted in this thread. Me and Coramoor. Since you are excluding me from your statistical analysis, you are citing a random sample of one person. You take this anti-intellectual foundation, and then you want a rational discourse about the irrational. Why are you so surprised that no one takes you seriously?

well said, Russ

Re: Acronyms, Mnemonics and Name calling
 

I'm calling it as I see it, Sweetcheeks. And if I objected to the subject matter of this thread, I would delete this thread. Okay? Okay. Thanks for playing :D

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I'm so done with GC its not even funny, but this thread is a bit hard to not post in.


Twostep-

Look, I think I'm in the minority as far as thinking like you do. I'm not going to say that this crap doesnt happen in chapters. It does. Its kind of hard not to have this bullshit going on when you have cracked out motherfuckers in the chapter. In my chapter we had 2 guys who actually made GHB and around gainesville it was known as orange juice...thats what we called it because of the orange food coloring in it. My chapter was the shit before we got expelled, ask a few pikes on this board if you dont believe me. We were ballin the fuck out, balls to the wall every weekend. We had no sense of moderation. It was fun and I wouldnt trade it for anything. Back in the day it was a lot easier for students to get in UF. If you can imagine, we had a lot of hot bitches at UF. These days they all go out to USC in cali or ASU in arizona but thats beside the point. Fact was, we had tons of hot bitches and tons of drugs. It was fun but now I realize we did a lot wrong. Thats why everyone was kicked out of the chapter and the charter was pulled. Dudes were dealing drugs out of the house. Girls were being fucked in the shower room and people could watch. Do a google search for the newspaper articles in the UF newspaper if you dont believe me. I'm surprised none of us have criminal charges coming back to haunt us from the stuff we did back then. Matter of fact, a couple of my old brothers just left town yesterday to go back to Tampa and we were just talking about our stories from back then (we had the superbowl here). Where ever we went there'd be at least 10 girls getting railed and people got mad fucked up (as in not sleeping but for 2 1/2 hours over a 3 day period). It was sick. I dont miss those days at all, I dont care what hot bitch is lined up. My point is, most chapters arent like this. Yea, you have a sizeable amount of chapters out there who do this shit. My chapter wasnt filled with smart people, most of us were just hot as fuck. What most people dont realize is that when you get 100 cool ass motherfuckers together and about 90% of us are hot a fuck......bad shit is bound to happen. Throw that in with a couple brothers who make drugs, about 15 who sell them, 2 who are sports bookies and 1 who ran an escort service....bad shit happening is inevitable. Now that I think about it, I dont see how any us could have expected our chapter to survive much longer than what it did. And it was one of the first 3 frats at UF, it was formed in a city outside of UF. It was an old chapter. And yea, coke was involved. It was more like a regular thing as opposed to be involved. But still, most frats these days arent like that from what I gather. Shit is too strict now. Just know that most chapters arent like this and if you get in one maybe you'll take a lesson form me and run. But, if you stay in one....you'll get more pussy than anyone you'll ever know and you'll have the time of your life.

Goodluck.

Cash

So true. I've never seen so many people do coke until I came to WVU. I've been to so many different greek events where people are blowing coke like crazy, and it just shocks me. I know some of my friends do it and I definitely hate it, but as long as they don't do it around me, I try not to make such a big deal out of it. I've gotten pretty used to seeing it here since I've been in college. It sucks but I think it's just a large part of WVU's social scene. :(

When I read posts like this about WVU's greek life, I am SO glad that KD no longer has a chapter there, and I honestly don't think i'd advocate them recolonizing there until WVU greeks clean themselves up.

If you dont like coke, don't come to Florida. Most of it comes from my state. :rolleyes:

I didn't mean to give the impression that the majority of greeks here do coke. I definitely know a decent amount who do, but I'd say there are more that don't. I thought it was pretty common on every campus, but reading these posts, I'm realzing I'm wrong.
Not that this really makes a difference, but I don't think the coke-doing is advertised outside greek life. When I've seen coke being done at greek events, it's almost always at date parties or other invite-only things. I've never seen it being done at an open party. Atleast not in public.
I'm not sure of the popularity of coke outside WVU's greek system. Maybe it is a campus-wide problem?

Whether you intended to give the impression or not, lots of posts that i've read on here (not just by you, but also by Coramor and others) give me a really bad impression of WVU's greek life. Even if the majority of greeks don't do coke, it sure sounds like a good number do. It seems that until someone gets hurt and it makes big news, campuses and greek systems will turn a blind eye, especially at a traditional party school.

And it seems that members of greek life at WVU don't seem to want to change it, either. We're not talking about underage drinking or smoking a little weed here.... we're talking hard core drug use...

The thing is, in the seven semester's I've been here, there have been A LOT of people hurt by drug use.

Chapter's have been pulled, people jailed or thrown out of college, people get seriously hurt or even die. The problem is a lot of the politics involved in some chapters and with some individuals. The reason behind these occurences are covered up or flat out ignored.

The why doesn't someone or some chapter stand up and try to change it?

I would gather from what you guys have said that AT LEAST one member of your respective chapters may be involved in this stuff. Isn't it part of your duty as a brother or sister to try to help end this?

This is all correct.

ALSO: does twostep's posting style remind any of y'all of another former GCer?

We got in a lot of trouble over it about eight years ago now. Re-organized and went from a hundred men strong to four. We are almost back to where we were before, but we learned our lesson. It's not tolerated.

The reason that it's not changed campus wide is b/c our IFC is basically worthless. I have never met such a sorry lot of guys. All they do is whine and are stuck in the past, any time anyone tries to change anything the strike it down b/c it's not 'tradition'. The head of the greek orgs is also the mayor of our town and doesn't really care. The President of the school doesn't have any credibility among greeks b/c of his actions when the chapter he was from got into trouble.

I'm confused, what's the head of the greek orgs? Do you mean the greek advisor?

Do NIC fraternities have a NIC delegate? Have you contacted your NIC delegate? Have any of the sororities contacted their Panhellenic delegate? That's what they're there for, when the panhel/greek system overall is having problems.

Yes he means the Greek adviser. Wow, that's wild. Did he get in through a lot of students voting?

It makes perfect sense that he wouldn't crack down on things if he thinks WVU's party rep is one of its selling points. He doesn't want to be the one who made the enrollment go down (not to mention all the people coming there to party) and subsequently the business in the town decrease. Maybe it's not that thought out, but that's the first impression I get.

it's one thing being a party school, but it's another thing being a cocaine school! :eek:

I agree with people turning a blind eye to the drug problems here at WVU, but I think the reason a lot of people do is because they wouldn't know where to begin. Several times each semester we have presenters come in to talk about common issues that greeks and non-greeks face in college like drug usage, alcohol poisoning, promiscuity, stuff like that. And while everyone listens, I don't think it hits home. It pretty much has the same effect it had on everyone back in high school during drug assemblies: if you don't do it already, you still won't, and if you do drugs, you continue.
If one of my close friends did coke, I would definitely try to talk to them about it and encourage them to get help, but other than that, I would probably let it be. The last thing I want is for one of my friends to hurt themselves, but ultimately I can't control their actions. They know what they're doing is wrong, it's up to them to stop.
I don't think this should portray a negative view on WVU's greek system. Being a part of it, it's definitely the best experience I've had in college and I know many people who would say the same. I'm sure cocaine and other heavy drug usage is very prominent in some chapters here, and not so prominent or even non-existent in others. I don't think the students here that aren't greek view us all as coked up.

I disagree, we used to blast Crash Test Dummies back in the days.

Wow, so you're saying that if a sister was doing coke, unless she was a close friend, you wouldn't even say anything??? You wouldn't say anything to a sister who could face death or felony jail time? And on a more minor level (minor after death and jail) affecting the reputation of your chapter?

Again, like I said, we're not talking a little weed here. I'm pretty sure that all of us have taken vows to our sisters and our chapters, and if you're content to just stand there while a sister does this stuff...

If someone's got ANY sort of addiction problem - whether it be coke, alcohol, food, gambling, whatever - you can only encourage them to get help. 18-22 year old college students are not trained therapists and should not handle this on their own. They can't. They might end up doing more harm than good. I'm not trying to talk down to anyone, just stating the facts. I've seen people try to help someone who needed professional care and they ended up in a worse state than the people they were trying to help.

I'm not sure how big the chapters at WVU are, but if someone I wasn't close to tried to tell me I had an addiction issue, my reaction would most likely be to tell them to F.O. and deny the whole thing. The most you can do is ask someone they ARE close to to speak with them.

I know we had a thread on here about if a sister has an abuse problem - do you terminate her for the sake of the chapter's rep or try to help her? It's a case by case basis.

I would think that most orgs have a clause in their bylaws about drug use being a huge no-no.

If someone has a cocaine habit and was my sister, I wouldn't give a crap about pissing them off by confronting them about it. Who wants that associated with their letters? Who wants to see a friend delve into that sort of downward spiral?

So what are you supposed to do, just stand there and watch this person f up their life, damage your chapter, and possibly leave your sorority with a huge liability on their hands? What if she ODs in the house? If the sorority sisters (or fraternity brothers, whichever sex the person is) knew that they were using, and didn't do anything about it, there'd be a lawsuit in a minute. Heck, even if they didn't know she was using and she OD'd in the house or at a function, there'd still probably be major liability.

If a sister was doing coke, yes, i'd vote to terminate her membership in a minute, unless she was making a huge effort to get help with it. Doesn't mean that I'd never talk to her again or write her out of my life, but they've got bigger fish to fry than worrying about being in a GLO.

It's obviously a bigger problem than just a person or two at WVU, though, and there certainly must be things that can be done to try to change the overall atmosphere.

Terminating her membership is a touch selfish as posed, IMO - it seems considerably more 'sisterly' to attempt to get her help, or allow her the proper social outlets for the "if and when" portion of her deciding to get help.

It's also a bit . . . idyllic? to label this a WVU problem. There are fraternity and sorority members at Pitt, UPenn, Xavier, you name it who use drugs illegally. Separating cocaine from weed and even alcohol is just applying an arbitrary manner of degree to each - and obviously, across different instances, people see different degrees. This subject, unfortunately, is an endemic greek problem - it's akin to the onion's great "This Just In: Cool Kids Drink More" article - and we shouldn't look down our noses at one particular facet of it.

Also, from the more clinical side, there are thousands that have recreationally used illicit drugs, and as they've matured and become adults have come out none the worse for wear. This is quite similar to the fine line between alcohol use and abuse - I'd say treat it in a manner consistent with your policies and programs in place for substance abuse, but keeping a handle on legal issues you may or may not face.

I wasn't saying that I would only encourage a close friend to get help. I'd just be more likely to talk to them about it. Obviously if I saw any one of my sisters doing coke, I'd express my concern, but like 33girl said, there isn't much else someone college aged can do because we aren't trained to deal with drug problems.

As far as being concerned about how drugs represent my GLO, I'd be more worried about my sister's health. I wouldn't vote to kick her out of the sorority; instead I'd vote to get some of her close friends to confront her with her problem and get her help. Normally at the functions where people are doing drugs, it's like 95% greeks, and the information doesn't really leave the room. People in the greek system know all the stereotypes about each GLO anyway, and if they want to believe and continue them, it's their decision.

I wouldn't care that they were pissed off at me, my point is that if it's someone you really don't know (and in large chapters, you often DON'T know some of your sisters that well) it's not going to make a damn dent. You need to say to their big or whoever is their best friend in the chapter "hey, Josie has nosebleeds 6 times a day and seems to be way more excited about her new shampoo than a human should be, I think she might have a drug problem, could you speak to her about it?"

While I would say that the only close thing in that blog to a common occurance i've seen at the parties we do is the charging at the door (sometimes chicks are free, depends on the theme of the party and how our funds are looking) and occassionally at the afterparties some drunkass will find a crash test dummies CD out of no where and put it on... All the other stuff I have seen on occassion, coke, orgies, people pulling thier wangs out, sure once in a while but seriously I would say that this is no where near common place every night of the week party stuff.