Well with no extra equipment (video games, tvs, phones, etc.) it's probably easier to move in. LOL!

Re: Re: Re: har har har de har har
 

(I may be messing this up a little... I've only heard it once)
A woman dies and goes to heaven, and St. Peter is showing her around. The first room they go to is filled with people shouting and dancing. The woman asks Peter, "who are they?" Peter says, "They're the Pentecostals. They show their love of God through lots of shouting." They come to the next room, and it is filled with people singing and chanting. The woman asks Peter who they are. He says, "They're the Methodists and Presbyterians. They show their love of God through song and chant." They come to the third room, and it's completely quiet. The woman asks Peter who they are. Peter says, "Shh! They're the Baptists. They still think they're the only ones here."

Seriously, though, I took a religion class and we talked a lot about fundamentalism, particularly Bob Jones since it's in SC. I was completely shocked by some of the things they say. I think as soon as someone told me I was supposed to be less of a human than my husband, I'd walk out right then.

The dress code for women fascinated me...they had it under the title of "ease". Women are encouraged to have 3 to 4 inches of extra fabric on their shirts/skirts. I don't get the "ease" in walking up and down stairs wearing 3 to 4 inches of extra fabric.

Correct me someone if I'm wrong, but I believe it's both. I think they have K-12 classes as well.

Sorry I keep posting different times. I don't know about Bob Jones, but at Erskine they also have literary societies, and there is one that's considered the "cool" literary society, one that's considered the "nerd" literary society, and one that's middle of the road. But that's according to my friend who says he was in the cool one. Not that I don't think he's cool, but I'm always wary of someone who says they're cool. :rolleyes:

its one thing if you choose to go there but i feel bad for anyone who is forced to go there by their parents.

We talked about BJ in my "Cults and Sects" class. The religious fundamentalism is just to the extreme. They have regular assemblies, and we saw a video of one where they are explaing the natural relationship between a man and a woman. They have the All-American-Chrisitan couple come up and he tells them to stand next to eachother, and 'It's ok to stand close this one time, I promise" He then proceeds to explain that a good relationship is not when the man and woman are next to eachother, but when he steps behind her to guide and support her.

They also did a segment on the seperate classes. Women still are REQUIRED to take home ec and they learn to dress and have their very own book on BJU's standards.

If you are way hard-core Chrisitan this school is probably great for you. Imagine some of these students going to ...UW Madison, for example. Can we say culture/value shock? The school really keeps in the family as the Jones' still run the place. Still not a place I really think the President of the US needs to be aligning himself with if he really thinks he can ease division in this country.

yes, that is true.

We read a couple cases on them in my Non-Profit Organizations class that had to do with why/how they lost their tax exempt status.

Re: har har har de har har
 

LOL. One of our alums told me we had the pantyhose rule too.

Bob Jones University
 

Ah, "BoJo". "The World's Most Unusual University" (their slogan).

Having gone to a private christian school growing up (believe a BoJo recruiter came to my school, not sure if anyone signed up with them), and having gone to college in Greenville, SC (where BoJo is), I am a little familiar with that school and their like.

You drive by the campus and you think you're driving past a military base (walls and a guard station). They'd take groups of students to the malls in school buses. Boys & girls would be dressed like they're going to sunday school and they would site at different ends of the buses. A teacher I had in high school told us his experiences once dating a girl going to BoJo.

Never cared for those sorts of schools. As others have noted, far right-wing christian with a LOT of restrictions on what you can do. (no going to movies, holding hands with your date, etc. etc.)

Am I too assume that once they are married they are allowed to have sex? But probably only for the purpose of having kids, correct?

When you are engaged can you them hold hands? Or only when you're married? If you're married and have a pool in your backyard, can the husband and wife swim together? What about when the have kids, both a boy and a girl. Can siblings swim in the pool together?

I guess I'm wondering when lines that you can't cross when you're single you can cross when you're married.

This wouldn't bother me at all if the BJU people left the rest of us alone. Take the Amish as a counter-example; they live according to much stricter rules than this, and yet most "modern" people respect and admire them for it. Why? Because it's a system that works for them, and they're not trying to take over the rest of the world. If you want to join them, great; if you don't, that's your business.

BJU, in contrast, is trying to sell its system to everyone. It actively and aggressively recruits. The community is extremely active politically and will come straight out and tell you that their goal is to pass laws forcing everyone to live according to their moral rules (recriminalization of premarital sex, books/music/videos banned, etc.). They have tremendous pull in Washington; W spoke there when the interracial dating ban was still in effect.

Now, they have every right to pursue those goals, but because they are putting themselves out there as a political movement, I've got every right to call them out on it and say that they're a dangerous cult bent on taking our freedoms away.

Most of the policies remind me of Oklahoma Christian University... Yes, Oklahoma has both Oral Roberts (ORU) and OXU.

Except, Oklahoma Christian allows "Greek Life" with certain approved Christian fraternities and sororities, though, I have no clue whether or not they are national...

The thing that gets me about these "Universities" is how the students/faculty/administraton look down on students at secular schools. Also, it seems to be all about the appearance of propriety, but actually acting just like, and in some cases worse than, secular school students.

Nope, not National.
see http://www.oc.edu/services/handbook/...ed_8_17_04.pdf

Still pretty conservative but definitely more liberal than BJU!

Randy

Re: I haven't read any of the other responses, but...
 

I'm sure the women have to carry around freshly baked cookies to give the freshman on campus.

I have a friend who was in a christian sorority in college (which I'm assuming is pretty similar to one of these BJU societies - fellowship, praying together, community service, etc.). But my friend said that it was basically a way to gossip and pass judgment on other people's behavior... " Let's all pray for Jodi because she succumbed to the devil this weekend and stayed out at a mixed social 10 mins past cerfew." My friend ended up dropping out cause she felt that the whole thing was basically a corruption of real christian values.

The thing I find disturbing about BJU is that the whole place reeks of sexism. The brochure repeatedly describes female students as "girls," but refers to the male students as "men." Also, the part about not having your mom unpack your stuff is directed to mothers of sons but not to mothers of daughters. Men can wear shorts to play sports and for recreation but women cannot been seen in shorts unless they are in the sports center or in the dorms(I guess if you want to go to the sports center you have to bring a change of clothes). There is a nurse assigned to the women's dorm but not the men's (I'm assuming this is either for "swooning spells" or "women's troubles").

Re: I haven't read any of the other responses, but...
 

Ah, but kicking someone's ass would be un-Christian. Besides, if the freshman in question were a woman, how would you find her ass under all those loose-fitting skirts? :p

Every Founders Day, we read about ADPi's first day as "The Adelphean Society." There's a passage about the girls hurrying to prayers, going to class, taking long healthy walks in the garden, going to dinner, more prayer, studying and a mandatory lights-out. I find it interesting that 154 years later, there's a place in the US that still embraces those kinds of traditions.

To each his own.

It's great they want to embrace it, but as IVYSpice pointed out, they are trying to conform others.

I completely agree. When it's Eugenia and her friends it seems so charming. When it's these people it just seems creepy.

busy. busy. busy
 

Maybe we could all get busy and try to point out to those so-called Christian schools that they oughta have national fraternity
and sorority chapters, even ethnic and multiculural ones....
Just think, old Erskine in SC could then restore the Pi chapter of
Sigma Chi, Mu Second of KA, the SC Mu of SAE...and...just think if
we'd get all those military schools back, we'd just go a-hellin'
And the ladies schools, academies, and international ones, golly,
we got our work cut out for us.
In the meantime, perhaps the BJ or BYU or OBU or OCC or others
could see the light. 'course the sales of pantyhouse would go down, but, heck, just thinkin' out loud.
But then we could work on the fruitcakes, like Reed, Grinnell, Principia, Wooster, Oberlin, Wheaton, Cornell (Iowa) and the
Sisters...and so on...my won't we be busy.
Gosh, Fraternity is for life!

Sigma Chi Fraternity's Pi Chapter is currently located at Samford University in Birmingham, Alabama.

Pi Chapter History:

ok i feel really compelled to post b/c bj is like 2 minutes away from furman, where i went to school. one of my sisters worked at schlotzskys which is really close to bob jones and some of the other bob jones students worked there too. they were cheerleaders and would come in after the basketball games with there knee length cheerleading skirts on. pi kappa phi would always make their pledges go and serenade girls walking to and from dinner only b/c they knew it would scare the crap out of the girls. classic. they also are not allowed to hold hands or kiss last time i checked. and yes they do have k - 12 grades

Can you imagine not holding hands or kissing someone until you marry them???

I saw a Wedding Story where the couple didn't kiss until their wedding day. It was really awkward and a little creepy. I'm sure it was just the couple - certainly other people can do these things without being so weird about it.

I couldn't imagine!

I am all about the theory that you need to try it before you buy it. :)

I think the student handbook really does say it all. Having been raised in SC, I can say it really has no equal when that's the type of environment your interested in. I like the reference to nothing above G rated movies and to check your handgun at the door. What a place!

It reminds me of the Hotel California song: you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.


http://www.studentsreview.com/SC/BJU_c.html#comments

They actually teach science, but get this...

"The Christian teaching of science requires not only a good command of basic subject matter, but also the spiritual perception to discern truth from error in a great variety of contexts. As a prerequisite for this, the Christian teacher of science must be thoroughly grounded in the Word of God. Moreover, he must have firmly implanted in his mind a biblical framework of truth which serves as the touchstone for his decision making. True science will fit that framework; anything that fails to fit the biblical framework must be rejected as erroneous. The present discussion demonstrates the need for a distinctively Christian philosophy of science teaching and surveys the differences between Christian and secular science education."

oy vey.

also...

"Third, the Christian student who receives a thorough grounding in true science develops his defenses against a number of "isms" that are built upon "science falsely so called" (I Timothy 6:20)—evolutionism, communism, fascism, scientism, modernism, liberalism, humanism, and environmentalism."

*bangs head on desk*

equating evolution with fascism? and last time I checked, humanism and environmentalism were GOOD things... being good to mankind and saving the earth are bad and must be defended against?

emb021
ETAL.

I place this like ETAL because of the many posts here!

I dont Truely Think any of you Especially You Erik, totally Understand The or This type of school!:confused:

Just Who are you to judge this type of School?

Maybe each of you have no concept of what they may require and teach or the type of person that decides that their children should attend these type of schools.

Now of course, as far as I am concerned, they are total whackos!:eek:

But of course, I consider myself somewhat sane.;)

I always loved The Name Oral Roberts U!:D


But, I am A Prevert!:p

It always amazed me that BYU was placed in the austeer Group.

Strange Yes, but realistic.:)

Tom, can you clarify?
 

First, Tom, et al. is an abbreviated form of Latin, et alii, and it
means "and others." Et cetera, abbreviated "Etc." not "Ect."
means "and so forth." Et ux., like in deeds, is "et uxor," and
means "and wife." We still use a lot of Latin in English.
I know a lot about Bob Jones University, old Bob, Sr & Jr., so
what else? It is kinda like a joke and we have treated it lightly
in here. Some of us would consider it dangerous, but most of the
matriculates are harmless, just naive southern kids.
They are not actually snake handlers and the trouser worm is
there almost as much as at Kansas State Teachers College.
Oral Roberts...yes, that is a dandy. Like other famous folk, he is
said to have a hidden brother, Rectal.
Hang in there Tommy....LOL

Why come to BJU?
 

That's the issue addressed here:

http://www.blogjones.com/archives/000355.html

It's not all that bad, really.

Erik correcting Tom on grammar.

My my my.

There is a small Christian College in my area and it has some similarities to this. Some differences are that there are no dorms, and students are encouraged to live with local families or in apartments.

They explain it here:
"This is why the College has no on-campus residence facilities, for such facilities tend to foster academic and youth subcultures segregated from the more balanced and mature local community.
New Saint Andrews rejects, on principle, college dormitory living. Dormitories dominate Christian and non-Christian student housing on virtually every college campus. But dorms, by their very nature, tend to breed immaturity, immorality, and irresponsibility. Despite claims to the contrary, no college can provide adequate supervision or accountability for dozens, sometimes hundreds of 18- to 21-year-olds living in the same space with other 20-somethings typically acting as the "residence advisors." This is consistent with the radically anti-Christian origin of modern college dormitories, dating from the early 20th century when the German Bauhaus movement swept Western architecture. Bauhaus architects quite deliberately applied their modernist-socialist vision to apartment complexes and college dormitories to create "living machines." In fact, Walter Gropius, the founder of the Bauhaus movement, invented the modern university dormitory at Bauhaus as a way of promoting communal living and reinforcing a revolutionary, socialist way of life. Sparing them the indignities of high ceilings and wide hallways and other trappings of the bourgeoisie, Gropius and the Bauhaus-inspired architects provided co-eds with low ceilings, narrow hallways, and the aesthetics of machinery. New Saint Andrews, by contrast, expects its students to live as faithful Christians in a way that recovers the beauty of genuine community."

Those of us that lived in crappy tiny dorm rooms can now blame it on Gropious and the Bauhaus!

The college cannot receive federal funding, so students have to save their money or get a job in the local community. If you don't have the money to pay, you won't be admitted.

"That means being faithful both in what we teach and in what we charge for tuition and fees. Our demanding program of studies gives students a rich Trinitarian worldview without chaining them to a devilish pile of debt when they graduate. A truly Christian education won't make students slaves to debt (Proverbs 22:7)."

College loans are devilish, tell that to the financial aid office!

In the code of conduct there is this:
"The College also warns students, for the protection of their souls and the peace of the College, to avoid false teaching and errant doctrine. The College expects students will neither embrace nor promote, formally or informally, historic or contemporary doctrinal errors, such as Arianism, Socinianism, Pelagianism, Skepticism, Feminism, Pantelism, the so-called Openness of God Theology, etc.,*1 among their fellow students. If students do come to embrace such errant doctrines personally, they promise by their signed pledge to inform the College administration immediately and honestly in a letter offering to withdraw from the College."

Feminism is a threat to YOUR SOUL!

And last but not least:
"Students should embrace and encourage the development of distinctively Christian music, art, literature, poetry, drama, and crafts. The College expects students to participate cautiously and critically in our predominantly pagan popular culture, and to avoid and to repudiate the culturally destructive (but often “socially acceptable”) glorification of sin found in contemporary films, music, video games, web sites, and so forth."

I also enjoy this part:
"The College expects students will cultivate holy and edifying social relationships with their fellow students and with the College faculty and staff, avoiding even the appearance of unruly behavior, inappropriate conduct, disrespect, rebellion, or sinful and unlawful activities commonly associated with ungodly college students (e.g., drunkenness, sexual sins, illegal drug use, etc.)."

How many of us are UNGODLY?

I remember reading in some of their stuff before that as a student, if you know of other students not following the code of conduct, or having issues in their faith, it is your duty to NARC on them and if you don't you're just as much at fault. I would never attend this school, as I actually want a degree that is worth something (most graduates end up working for the college or for the K-12 school they run as they are unqualified to do anything else).

geek baby
 

I was not correcting Tom on his grammar. I was not an English
major and have been out of school 35 years...but I did write a
doctoral dissertation and will put my transcript against yours any
day. You are full of rancor, bird.

Re: Why come to BJU?
 

Nice blog. Welcome to GreekChat!


Sidenote - Tom's comments make my head hurt. Occasionally, Eric's comments make my head hurt. Seeing Eric and Tom converse with each other is BEYOND me. If we were to throw in what-his-name-racist-with-flowery-prose, I think I'd self-distruct.

Re: geek baby
 

Sure, let's compare transcripts. We can start with LSAT scores.

Re: Re: geek baby
 

<tangent> Now she's throwing down! Go Kath! </tangent>

Re: Re: geek baby
 

ooooh snap!!

$10 on GP

I am the first to get a chuckle out of "BJU"?

I am actually surprised they allow greek lettered societies on campus.


This is like the high school that i went to. This was a HUGE campus because it was K-5 up to 12th grade AND there was a college on campus too. I went to a southern baptist school, so there were all kinds of rules. They are ultra strict. Dancing was considered a sin, so we had the Jr/Sr Banquet instead of prom. The girls' knees could not be shown at anytime, cause it meant that you were easy:rolleyes:
It was always a trip to get my French/Bible teacher to talk about rock music. Her face would turn dark read and she would babble on why rock music was evil.
ALL Christian music was not acceptable. If it was not southern gospel or straight from the hymnals, it was blasphemy. Oh yeah, the guys could only have sideburns half the length of the ear or else it was direspectful. The girls could not have short haircuts that might confuse someone into thinking that they were a guy:confused:

Then the college had added rules that were insane. Stereos were not allowed in the dorm rooms. Girls ALWAYS had to wear dresses or skirts. If you wanted to go on a date, you had to sign out and be back no later than 10 p.m. AND you had to have a chaperon.

I need to go find the list of rules for that college. You guys will get a kick of it.


edited to add, i was looking at BJU's dress code. That is pretty identical to my old school. The same went for the grade school and college. I am actually surprised the women are actually allowed to wear pants. At my old school, most of the female students's parents allowed them to only wear cullottes. :eek:
Having the men see women in pants was highly discourged cause pants make you look masculine.


My years spent there were good times:p