Where did anyone say that?

Seems to me that the discussion is about abuse of alcohol -- to the point of physical danger -- and drinking in chapter houses.

Whenever I think about Greeks and "higher standards," I immediately think about all the things we tell potential new members, parents, the university and the outside community about us. We're very quick to mention how the Greek GPA is higher than the All-Women or All-Men GPA, we love to talk about how most of the Fortune 500 CEOs went Greek in college, how rates of giving of time and money to charitable causes are higher among Greeks, and so forth and so on. WE set ourselves apart from the larger university community by touting the benefits of GLO membership.

But, when something bad happens, we are the same ones who whine and complain that "non-Greeks don't get the same scrutiny." When someone holds us to the history of honor and excellence that our founders and those who have come before us have set through exemplary behavior, some of us don't want to be held to that standard.

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Do you know what really chaps my hide about this whole deal?

18-21 year olds fought for the right to vote, won, and ever since, have seemed to be incapable of mobilizing to change any of the restrictions put on their age group. (I don't mean just drinking, I mean not being able to rent a car and crap like that as well)

I mean, find a lame-duck Congressman (or better, one who has balls enough to stand up to MADD) who'll propose repeal of the Federal Hwy Funding Act, and send the message to your congressman that if he opposes it, all the 18-21 year olds in his district will vote his sorry butt out.

I know that's oversimplifying a lot, but especially now, there are so many people that age, I just feel like something could be done.

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All fraternities should be dry. What does alcohol have to with Hellenism? Not the "Hellenism" frats claim to forward but true Hellenism, you know from Greece. You know, the ideals that your little clubs were supposed to forward and represent? The answer is, nothing.

If you want to have a club based on copius alcohol consumption, make one that doesn't defame the image of ETHNIC GREEKS!!!!!

What if some Chinese guys made the WASP club and centered it around the debasement of women. How would you all feel about that?

It's time your cute little college clubs stopped defaming Greek culture and language. I'm all for dry frats and sororities. maybe reputable people would join instead of clueless, cultureless suburban kids who have to borrow our language and culture as monnikers for their debauchery.

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FYI: By and large, Greek Lettered Organizations (a.k.a. "cute little college clubs") are not associated with Hellenic culture.

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"Fraternities [and Sororities] are usually named by two or three Greek letters and are also known as Greek-letter societies; women's Greek-letter societies are commonly called sororities. The oldest Greek-letter society is Phi Beta Kappa, founded (1776) at the College of William and Mary, Williamsburg, Va. It soon became a scholarship honor society. After 1830 the literary societies that existed in many colleges were slowly supplanted by fraternities modeled on the three established (1825–27) at Union College. After 1870 many professional and honorary fraternities were established to give recognition to scholarship in various fields."

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Normally I would ignore someone like you because it's obvious you are working off of so many preconceived notions it's just ridiculous to even try and "speak" with you. However I'm feeling a bit punchy right now since your post was so ridiculously off base that I feel I must respond.
To reinforce your argument you might want to try to do some true research before you claim that greek letter organizations are what you apparently think they are.

1. Hellenistic - not so much there turbo. Aside from using greek letters, most of the organizations have little to do with hellenistic culture. My organization's ideals are not the same as others that are out there but not all of them are based on truly greek ideals, more humanistic ideals if you will. I can't remember the last time we all went out to defame ethnic greeks, nor can I remember any stories about that in the news. Must just be because I am a shallow narrowminded culturless suburban kid. Oh wait...I'm not.

2. Find out if in fact all members of said organizations are clueless cultureless suburban kids - not so much yet again. Case in point the sheer number of EDUCATED people that are in them. Not all of the members are suburban, nor uncultured. I'm sure there are some...but there are also people out there who join internet message boards to argue their baseless points just for the sake of arguing.

3. Based on copious alcohol consumption - yet again, no dice...and of course we all know that it's only members of fraternities and sororities that ever drink. :rolleyes: Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I will assume all fraternities and sororities were not formed with the purpose to get wasted - someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

4. Try not to be so condescending when arguing with people. It debases your argument and makes you look petty and your arguments laughable. "Cute little college clubs" is just looking to get a rise out of people and if you're going to be insulting why not try and do a better job of it?

In another post you also made reference to the type of people fraternities attract...I'm not even going to try and refute your argument with the countless numbers of people of all greek letter organizations who have done great things for their communities. Why not go to fratty.com or whatever that lame website is and argue with the stereotypes...you'll have more fun. While you're at it, try to stop digging up old posts just to stir the pot. It makes you look pathetic and lame.

ETA: Troll clean-up aisle 2.

Haha, yeah, those "cultureless" and "classless" kids who also happen to grow up and run our country and corporations.

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Asshat, why are you bumping these threads?

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What is it? Something like 98% of Fortune 500 CEOs and Congress are Greek?

So if you are so in to keeping with the culture... I guess GLO's should engage in homosexuality and take public baths together. Yeah, that was part of Greek culture. Maybe we could run yearly marathons relaying important messages to other chapters.....you are an idiot....go drink bleach.

Ethnic Greeks are just Jews without money. Go milk your goat.

**Courtesey of "Strangers With Candy"**

I have nothing against greeks or jews, in fact those are the only people I party with. Not the Orthodox ones though, they don't really like to party that much.