I definitely don't claim to be an expert on Canadian political parties, but from what I know, the Liberal party values universal health care, free education for everyone, and helping the environment.

I'd be interested to hear how you think that these aren't traditional values.

Sismadly, it's not that he's not funny. It's because he's *whisper* GAY *whisper*! :eek:

It's this pompous idea that Christianity is THE ONLY WAY that I equate with close-mindedness.

The Liberal party wants to decriminalize pot. The Liberal government is pro-gay marriage. The Liberal party just wants to turn Canada into the Netherlands. Time for me to go away.

I'm going to ignore the whole "values" assumption in your post and just say, "Um, dude, I'll trade you."


Portia di Rossi is definitely out -- I've heard/read about her talking about it.

People think that homosexuality or bisexuality in Hollywood is a new thing, but it really isn't, at all. When doing research on "Rebel Without a Cause," you would be surprised at how many (substantiated) rumors of bisexuality and homosexuality there was among the cast -- of course Sal Mineo, but I believe the director might have been involved/wanted to be involved with both Sal Mineo and James Dean, there's homosexual subtext throughout the film, of course some people speculate that Sal Mineo's character was supposed to have a crush on James Dean's character (although others think it was supposed to be more of a paternal relationship, it's hard to tell because naturally with the regulations of that time period there was NO WAY a homosexual relationship or even homosexual tendencies could be portrayed in mainstream cinema) -- so many things I can't even think of right now. People think of celebrities of that age (or earlier ages) as being so classy and reserved and uptight, but in reality tons and tons of celebrities back in the day behaved in ways that would be considered scandalous today -- it just wasn't reported in the mainstream news the way it might be now, and it was banned from the movies and television themselves for a long time. Lots of members of the European nobility, spanning centuries, also engaged in homosexual behavior, although many biographers have downplayed or even ignored this aspect of history . . .

Obviously I don't see these things as huge moral issues, but hey, it's your right to feel that way.

I doubt Canada will care much if you leave, so go ahead.

But if they're not my values, why should I observe them? If I moved to India, I probably wouldn't celebrate Diwali. I'd still decorate a tree, hang up a stocking, and sing "here comes Santa Claus" until I was blue in the face.

I know you're an immigrant just like I am: did you give up all of the traditions of your homeland as soon as you landed?

Thank you, honey.

Just because a value isn't "Christian" doesn't mean it's not "good."

Furthermore, if you're going to rant about homosexuality, you might as well rant about the number of people that get divorced and remarried, because the Bible calls them "adulterers," which is also a sin. Where's the outrage about that?

If you move to the US go to Texas- they need more bible-beaters like you.

Vito Russo's "The Celluloid Closet" is a classic. It deals at length with lesbigay context and subtext in Hollywood. It's an entertaining and enlightening read.

I'm not an immigrant. I'm CBC. My parents came to Canada in the early 70s when they were in their 20s. They didn't give up EVERYTHING, but they gave up some things. Unlike some immigrants, they did not give me a "foreign" first name. They named me Cindy (which I later legally changed to Cynthia, because I wanted a more formal first name on my documents). As for moving to India, yes, I might very well participate in Diwali if I live there permanently, just like I'll celebrate Christmas in January if I move to a country where the predominant faith is Orthodox.

I went to a good old fashion private school too, and we sang hymns every week, but we celebrated the many different religions in our school.

And this just in - apparently I have no values... :rolleyes:

I stand corrected - my bad. I thought I read in another thread that you were an immigrant too. Everybody had to come from somewhere, right? ;)

Heathen! :D

Ummm, we celebrated other cultures in chapel as well....but it wasn't like someone from culture A is going to force the culture to me. I didn't have to try the food if I didn't want to. I didn't really force Chinese culture to the other girls. What really upset me once was that I wanted to sing an Italian aria from my voice exam repetoire, but the girl who ran the multi-cultural club told me that I wasn't allowed to, because it was hip-hop themed. That did it for me for multiculturalism.

Didnt you know it is against values to let consenting adults in stable loving relationships marry? Let's go back to Traditional Marriage- where your father gives you to some guy 3 times your age in exchange for a herd of sheep.

Going back to the original topic, does anyone else think it's weird that they have the words gay, lesbian, or bisexual after people's names, kind of like it's their occupation?

this is my first time posting in this forum...
 

but i read this and was moved to respond....
why are we persecuting tau alumna for her viewpoints/opinions? :confused:

i thought that was one of the much touted benefits of western society: we're supposed to all be so free, and open minded and modern, that people could hold original, varying beliefs (AND NOT JUST PARROT THE MINDSET THAT'S CURRENTLY IN VOGUE), state their opinions, and rest assured that they won't get brow-beaten or ridiculed...hmmm--what happened here?

tau alumna, i may not agree with your beliefs, but i respect your right to voice your opinion, because that is how you feel--and i also respect you for having the GUMPTION and COURAGE to express it.

if this is how you feel, so be it--it doesn't bother me in the least--i'm still the same person i was when i read it...

i have my views as well, and i would expect you to extend the same respect for mine...at least that is what my idea of "free speech" is all about.

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Cosign

I'd like to apologize for my little attitude/spiel. Looking back at it, I'm wondering if it is, in reality, influenced by my family's Roman Catholic influenced Hong Kong Chinese culture. Anyway, once again, apologies for my spiel, and let's get back to the regularily scheduled program.

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I think it's fine for her to express the opinion that she'd like to move to another country in order to get away from the politics of the one she's in, although I personally doubt she means it. However, I think what most people were objecting to was the correlation of liberal with "having no values," which is both incorrect and verging on an attack.

thanks much, and i'd defend her right to say WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO ABOUT THE USA AS WELL--just like i can say whatever i want about it...

:D

tell me--is bashing tau alumna's views going to change her mind, is she going to suddenly repent? cry and promise not to ever say anything that the GROUP didn't agree with? i certainly hope not...one should NEVER cave in to conformity and peer pressure ::::mist of irony:::: ;)

it's HER opinion, and she's entitled to it. as long as she doesn't go out and perform any negative actions related to her opinion upon any human beings...she's just throwing her words into the wind...like we all do on a daily basis...not a problem

There's that other dude...I think his name is Scott Brison?


Oh honey...private life, schmivate life. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck!

Really? I hadn't noticed.... (LOL) </sarcasm>

Eric McCormack is straight, but I just wanted to put in that "having a wife and child" does not a person straight make.
My orthodontist came out in his 50s. Wife and kids? You betcha.

I hadn't thought about it like that. All I have to do is look at the recently resigned Gov. McGreevy of NJ and his lovely wife and children to see this also.

I guess I should have typed: "Eric McCormack is straight." Not that there's anything wrong with it.

I think Eric McCormack is straight. But I heard Sean is gay.

The only reason Steven Cojocaru is listed as debated is b/c the gays don't want to claim him. The man looks like an alien. It's scary.

I never knew that Tony Geary was questionable. That puts a whole new spin on "Luke & Laura".

I don't want to get into the whole Liberal debate...because while they do value our universal health care system, I have to agree with Taualumna that the Liberals (NOT liberals) are not good for this country. ETA: But it's not because they want to turn this country into the Netherlands.

Hey Canada -

I'll trade you Jay Leno for this Rick Mercer gay dude if you throw in the decriminalized pot . :p

Yes, he is.

I absolutely respect your opinions on it. The thing I took offense to was the blanket statement that liberal = no morals. :)

Are Bert and Ernie really Gay?

I understand and I completely agree...I didn't like the whole blanket statement either. Hell I'm liberal myself (but NOT a Liberal :D )

Three words: Jar Jar Binks.

Just because you've been ignored this whole thread, i'll throw you a bone.

Yes, we would gladly welcome her to Texas, but only if you left for Canada. They need more socialists like you.

KS 361

What about Velma from "Scooby Doo"??? I mean really...that turtleneck sweater screams "alternative lifestyle!! Does she also wear Birkenstocks and go to Lillith Fair??? Maybe she plays a little K.D. Lang or Melissa Etheridge or Tracy Chapman???

Peppermint Patty and Marcie-definitely a "butch-femme" thing going on there!

Schroeder from "Peanuts"??? Can he BE any Gayer??? I mean, Lucy is practically begging him, and he ignores her!!!

The point is...WHY DO PEOPLE CARE??? I just find it so amazing that so many people in this country want to know about another person's sex life, but will not let them have the same freedoms that they enjoy!:mad: What this list actually shows is that homosexuality transcends all social, ethnic, religious, and any other boundary that you can name. I could care less where Rick Mercer sticks "Little Ricky"-If I lived in Canada all I would care about is if he was doing a good job. If not-defeat his butt, no matter if he is Gay, Bi, Trans, Questioning or whatever!!:D

***stepping off of soapbox now***

Mmmhmm - That's right!

I didn't see Kevin Spacey on the list, but I've heard he's gay.

Esquire said he was, but in Playboy he says he's not.

So that's why he's not on the list.

I just read this thread, and it's a total trainwreck - I love it! Keep it going, kids!

Also - how far have we really come as far as liberation of sexual orientation that this thread even exists? I think the frame of mind of Jack (from "Will and Grace") is the brighest: pretend it doesn't exist, b/c it doesn't affect your work in the slightest.

-RC
--socialed medicine is a joke unless you're scandinavian, so can we stop discussing it like it's some high-minded virtue?

That's like my saying (appropriately stolen from the movie "Broken Hearts Club"): "Oh please, that's like saying 'he's not gay, he's in a fraternity."

"All that stuff about me and Bert? It's not true. We're both very happy, but we're not gay."
--Sesame Street puppet Ernie
http://www.jonathanfranciscass.com/tour/4/berternie.jpg