Furniture stores? :p

I think Teddy Kennedy has a better chance of getting elected Prez than Hilary Rodham Clinton.

Missouris not questionable. Its southern.

The Van Buren part was gold, though :D

Why do people say/write that they would move out of the country if someone they don't like is elected or even nominated? It's seems like a hallow threat especially when people never back it up. I would never consider leaving the United States just because I don't like an elected official.

I agree that if it's a hollow threat, which most of them are, it's ridiculous. Moving to Canada is not going to miraculously solve all your problems, and it's going to make it even harder for all the people still living in this country who need your support.

However, some elections force people to come to terms with certain facts about this country which can be really hard for them to face, and I think that's what's going on here. I can come to terms with the Bush re-election because I think that some people have reasons for it that are valid -- they aren't my reasons, but that doesn't make them not valid reasons. However, I have had a lot of trouble over the past couple days trying to deal with the fact that I live in a country where people want to write discrimination against homosexuals into our Constitution. This is not what I was brought up to believe that the US was about, and I have lost a lot of faith in this country because of it.

This could just be a temporary period of disillusionment -- or it could be more permanent. And if the second is the case, I will probably end up moving out of this country. The way this country voted made me realize that I am simply at odds with one of the fundamental facts about our country (its relationship with religion) and I don't want to spend the rest of my life fighting that.

So while I'm not planning to leave the country because of a specific politician that was elected, I can understand how other people might if they felt that the election of a certain politician taught them things about this country that they had not previously understood and didn't feel they could live with.

Interesting - just today, I got an email about Mary Jo Kopechne (anyone remember her?).


Frankly, so much can happen in the next four years, any talk about 2008 - with the exception of HRC having high ambitions - is really much too speculative.

Ahem... should that really read "is" rather than "was"? Membership in Theta (or any other GLO) is "not just for college days alone".

If there comes a time when church/state gets too intermingled, I won't feel comfortable here anymore. Additionally, unless Bush does something amazing, I'll have no shot at health insurance after graduation and might just have to head to Canada for grad school. I know it's not that simple, but they are some concerns.

I can understand the disillusionment. I think that this election should motivate people to mobilize and work harder in a collaborative effort to accomplish their goals instead of leave the country. I also think that this country has a big opportunity here, and I hope that it isn't squandered. This applies to the entire political spectrum.

I have a few more thoughts on this subject, but I'm tired. It's been a long week.

The US Postal Service has created a stamp with a picture of Senator Hillary Clinton to honor her achievements as the First Lady of our nation. In daily use it was shown that the stamp was not sticking to envelopes.

This enraged Senator Clinton, who demanded a full investigation. After a month of testing, a special commission made the following findings:

*The stamp was in perfect order.
*There was nothing wrong with the applied adhesive.
*People were spitting on the wrong side.

:D LOL

I thought all stamps were stickers now? :confused:

LMAO!!!:p

Most of the garden-variety stamps are self-adhesive, but commemorative and limited-issue stamps (for the most part) are still made the old-fashioned way.

How come? It's not like Bush is doing an incredibly awesome job or anything.

Please essplain me.

and oh, if you decide to move to Canada, be prepared for things such as less-excellent shopping, weather that is given in Celsius not Fahrenheit, no Sephora, and Super Bowls on TV that don't show the American commercials, unless you go to a Sports Bar that has satellite/American feed.

Don't say you weren't warned.

Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, a fierce critic of the Bush administration, said Saturday that he's pulling for U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to win the White House.

"I'd be very pleased if Hillary Clinton would become the next American president," Schroeder said to applause from a largely Saudi audience at the Jeddah Economic Forum, which opened here Saturday. "But don't quote me too loud. I hope I'm not harming her by saying that."

Schroeder made the statement during a discussion of global women leaders at a gender-segregated theater where a plastic barrier separated women from men.

- AP dispatch

I am a staunch conservative, Republican that is very active state and local politics with some experience in the national scene. Hillary Clinton, imho, is the quintessential ice queen of American politics. During her husband's terms in office, as degrading and socially embarassing as they might have been, she fumbled an attempt to put together a socialist healthcare plan. As First lady she couldn't do the work of the far left, something tells me that in the unlikely and horrific event that she makes it past Super Tuesday to the White House, that she won't be able to accomplish anything either.

It will be either Warner/Edwards or Edwards/Warner if the dem. party has any sense.


So it will be probably be Hil Dog/some random person, because I don't think they have any sense.

"is" gives the notion that someone is an active in their fraternity/sorority. there is nothing wrong with saying was. every member of my family was either SAE, Phi Delt, Theta, or Pi Phi, and they all say "was" and they all give money through alumni foundations. Once you hit a certain point there is no reason to revel in the fact that you are still a/an ________

The only Clinton that I think that could win the Presidency in 2008 is Bill Clinton. Although he has the Monica scandel in the past, he has had great press coverage recently. Moderate and liberal Democrates would vote for him. Finally, unlike Hilary, Bill can turn on the charm and convince a lot of independents to vote for him. :)

Ummmm... Bill Clinton has already served 2 full terms as president, thus reaching the constitutional limit.

The Constitutional limit is two consecutive terms. Just becuase someone has yet to challenge a candidate in a third term election, does not necessarily deem it unconstitutional. God-willing, former President Clinton will not run for the executive office again, sparing the country another 8 years of a disgraceful "Southern" man in place. His wife, that ferocious little woman, should refrain, too from tossing her name in the hat. Keep you Yankee elitism and liberalism in Harlem where it belongs. Bill Frist will be POTUS after the 2008 election. How about a Frist/Guliani ticket. Guliani I can stand becuase he has a good head on his shoulders, and realizes the truth about how government should be run, even though he does live in New York.

I saw the movie Deliverance and know what goes on in the South.

-Rudey
--I am happy that doesn't go on in NYC.

there's that dumb ignorance i've been waiting for.....try again....think hard.....think CONSECUTIVE

Damn, the Southern educational system once again proves its worth . . .


jk kids.

ETA:


No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Nope, it's two terms total. From the 22nd Amendment:

Oh yes, you so smart.

Lol.

Isn't that sort of thing something people learn in elementary school?

ok yall got me.....bring on the Southern insults and stereotypes....I know you all want to

Didn't you claim to have been accepted into a top tier law school? But yet you don't know this most elementary element of the Constitution?

This is completely tangential to the dickswinging contest this thread has devolved into, but I hate 'elementary element' - the etymology of 'elementary' essentially requires the item to be an 'element' of the larger object's basic composition . . . let's go with 'elementary principle', or something like 'basic element'. I realize this is really nerdy, but this thread is starting to suck, so I don't feel bad at all.

no I did, to be honest, I just wasnt thinking. I too thought it said more than two consecutive terms. sorry, i didn't have my constitution with me at the time.

RC, were you trying to figure out how many words you could use that started with "e" in this post?

alliteration is the new black

Good thing that Grover Cleveland knew better. Otherwise he probably wouldn't have run for that second term. He was President 1885-1889 and 1893-1897. Don't people learn anything in History class anymore?

I learned that the 22nd Amendment was passed in 1950 . . .

thanks for that history lesson......considering the 22 Amendment wasnt passed till 1950

I am so sorry about the Bill Clinton comment about running for a 3rd time. When I wrote the post, I was thinking 2 consecutive terms because Ohio has a law for the gov'nor that one can be elected for 2 consecutive terms, must sit out a term, and then can be elected again for 2 consecutive terms.

Anyway, back to the original topic...
I do not see anyway that Hiliary Clinton can win the nomination, let alone Pres in 2008. Although liberal democrates will vote for her, I do not see many moderates or Reagan/Bush democrates voting for her. And the key to winning an election is getting the Reagan/Bush democrates to vote for you (especially in Ohio).

Now Hiliary as VP candidate in 2008, that is more realistic.

:confused: :confused:

If Satan's Army ran against Hillary Clinton, I still wouldn't vote for her.

The thing is we have two years and anything can happen in two years. On a national level, few people knew who Bill Clinton was at this time in 1990, but he won the presidency in 1992. I knew of him from his speech at the DNC in 1988.

I think that Senator Hillary Clinton has a good chance of winning the Democratic nomination.

But not a chance of winning the presidential election. Her nomination would be the end to this whacked out Democratic party of recent. Im not complaining though.