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Rudey 09-23-2004 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by aurora_borealis
He's not a white dude from America, and if he believes he is of mixed race, as he stated he is, then he could claim racial profiling. I don't see it as racial profiling myself, nor do I think he is mixed race.



I didn't TRY to say it, I DID say it. He considers himself mixed race. I was posting what he says about himself. I even included a link to his page where anyone else could read it as well.

I don't give a crap if he thinks pigs fly. He is not mixed race. That is all.

And the way you made it sound was that these were all facts. You didn't say that the moron says this stuff about himself and could be an idiot for thinking this way or a straight up liar.

-Rudey

aurora_borealis 09-23-2004 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
I don't give a crap if he thinks pigs fly. He is not mixed race. That is all.

And the way you made it sound was that these were all facts. You didn't say that the moron says this stuff about himself and could be an idiot for thinking this way or a straight up liar.

-Rudey

In my post I said "he considers" "he claims" "he says" and "his website". With a link to his website. His website is http://catstevens.com

RACooper 09-23-2004 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
No. It is of no concern to you.

This is American policy, an American decision for America. You are a Canadian - one who constantly talks about America like some fat woman frothing at the mouth at the sight of a piece of cake.

You are making allegations:
You made an allegation of racial profiling. You hurt people who do feel racial profiling is an issue because this has nothing to do with race. Someone tried to say that Mr. Terror supporting singer is of mixed race but he isn't - he is considered white.

-Rudey
--So again, if you care, let him into your no-standard country

See again your missing the point - this actually is a concern of those who live on America's borders and those who have signed onto some of the joint security programs with the US. Now in the case of advanced passenger lists, which the UK signed on to, Mr. Stevens should have been flagged and stopped in the UK if there were any concerns raised by both the UK security system or the US security system - the fact that there was a possible failure in this system does cause concern for those participating in the joint security protocols...

As for my allegations of racial profiling - well sorry for using the term Mr. Stevens did, and my Fraternity brother, and Mr. Arar (the big security related case up here right now).

Finally... nice dig at Canada yet again... from someone who claims to have never made such comments. Interesting double standard you hold yourself to...

Rudey 09-23-2004 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by aurora_borealis
In my post I said "he considers" "he claims" "he says" and "his website". With a link to his website. His website is http://catstevens.com
The title of your post was "fact about...."

Again, I don't care if he thinks pigs can fly. He is white.

-Rudey

Rudey 09-23-2004 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
See again your missing the point - this actually is a concern of those who live on America's borders and those who have signed onto some of the joint security programs with the US. Now in the case of advanced passenger lists, which the UK signed on to, Mr. Stevens should have been flagged and stopped in the UK if there were any concerns raised by both the UK security system or the US security system - the fact that there was a possible failure in this system does cause concern for those participating in the joint security protocols...

As for my allegations of racial profiling - well sorry for using the term Mr. Stevens did, and my Fraternity brother, and Mr. Arar (the big security related case up here right now).

Finally... nice dig at Canada yet again... from someone who claims to have never made such comments. Interesting double standard you hold yourself to...

Again, you can get on a plane and not be a danger to blowing anything up. That is different from what you do inside a country.

Again, I don't care that someone else used the term. YOU DID. You are responsible for this. You, as previously, have used words on race and such labels that you didn't understand and cheapened it for every victim who has experienced it. Let me put this in capital letters now: YOU DID!

And again, this is an American decision using an American policy for America. I don't care what you think you or your no-standard country thinks. That is not a dig. You don't use this standard. Again, don't make claims. We have chosen not to allow someone who has ties to terrorist countries in. Thanks for playing.

And again, the US had due cause I'm sure given that this would be high profile and would bring them attention.

And again, millions of Muslims have been able to get in and out of this country without any issues. Your religion is not a label on your passport. When his name was run through a system, it triggered something and it is an American decision that was made based on planning on a US policy to protect American citizens.

-Rudey

KSig RC 09-23-2004 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by aurora_borealis
He's not a white dude from America, and if he believes he is of mixed race, as he stated he is, then he could claim racial profiling. I don't see it as racial profiling myself, nor do I think he is mixed race.


OK - so he's half-swedish, half-greek . . . he's a white Briton then. Either way.


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Originally posted by aurora_borealis
I didn't TRY to say it, I DID say it. He considers himself mixed race. I was posting what he says about himself. I even included a link to his page where anyone else could read it as well.
Since when is "swedish" a race? Greek?

And I realize it was probably a 'cut-and-paste' job off the website, but you def titled the post "FACTS about Cat Stephens aka...." - slightly misleading, if you get my drift.


Either way - my point is simply that racial profiling did not occur, and it's a gross misstatement on what racial profiling actually entails to claim so.


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