Four elections = 16 years = 1988. Isn't that what I said? So why is it so historical? It was basically a two-party race, unlike some of the more recent races that had stronger third parties, thus of course someone would get the majority. AND this has been the largest voter turnout since 1968 and the population has increased, so what is the significance of it being historical?

For example, every year we say our sorority national conventions are the biggest in history. Well that is because our membership grows every year, so you would expect them to get bigger evey year. So being historical means nothing in that context.

And btw, Kerry got the second largest number of votes of any presidential candidate in our country's history.

act accordingly?? LOL yessum madame moderator...

funny how debating turns into browbeating in this forum...

whateva..

Not browbeating. Just civility, unlike other parts of GC.
;) :p

well i guess its /historical/important depending on what candidate you're supporting. The fact that he received more votes than any other President in HISTORY is significant...but again..i guess if you didn't vote for him one could care less LOL

And yes you're right about Kerry..he got the SECOND largest number of votes.

I do however agree with whoever wins the popular vote should win. The electoral college is outdated....but maybe everyone should stop complaining about it..and DO something about it..myself included.. I think it will take a constitutional amendment..

I'm going to spend the next several days praying for our country. The majority has spoken and have decided that they would like to continue along this ungodly path we have been on for the past four years. Yes, I did say ungodly. Despite all this talk about Bush's Christianity and "values", his actions have shown he is not a Christian and is morally bankrupt. I will pray for all the brave servicemen and women in Iraq. There is no need for them to be there. I will be praying for my 18 year old son and all the young people in our country. I'm quite sure the next step for Bush and his cronies will be to reinstate the draft. What have they got to lose? They don't have to worry about running for office again.

I love this country and would not want to live anywhere else in
the world. I have faith that the next election will be different. By that time the deficits should be doubled and more people out of work and without medical insurance. Maybe then folx will wake up.

And to add on about the signature ....

The true defeat is that people have chosen to ignore ...
the that fact that we are in a baseless war
the current state of our economy
the large number of unemployed Americans
the large number of Americans who have no heath coverage
etc., etc.

All because Dubya says we are going to get the bad guys at all cost. And in the very near future, at all cost will be our brothers, sisters, cousins, and even some of us being drafted into the mess that he has created in Iraq.

That is the true agony of this defeat.

Great...good ole Dubya won, so I guess scare tactics won over common sense. Common sense would tell you that any President that...
started a baseless war
lost jobs
squandered money

and can't put together a complete sentence without a speechwriter handy to save his life, does not deserve four more years in office . And if the above points aren't proof enough that this man should not be President, just take a close look at some of the comments in this thread from people who found it necessary to re-elect him.

I feel very sad for the US and the rest of the world with these election results.

I am also extremely disappointed in the actions of "Soror" Love_Spell6 on this board.

Sad...truly sad...

I personally feel bitterly disappointed and feel violated. Everyone in my office keeps saying 'well you'll just have to get over it'. I simply can't get over it. It's very frightening that a lil over half the country can't see this man for the evil person he is and the conglomerate of people he represents...

And yes, I said EVIL...:mad:

On the flip side, I hope that the young voters that came out in record numbers along with those who are typically apathetic to the election process will not be disheartened! In looking at the U.S. map of the voting results, you can see that our votes did count in the urban areas where we are densely populated because Kerry did in fact win in those areas!

@ INS2U and sistarisin
 

lil_sunshine,

I love the description of your location. I am so depressed because my son is 18 years old and I am afraid that they will try to send him over to Iraq. And I agree with the posts that call that fool evil.

I've been reading Lamentations Chapter 3 which has made me feel a little bit better. "The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases, his mercies never come to an end." Let's pray that the Lord is simply trying to teach us all a lesson in patience and faithfulness, and that this nightmare will end soon.

Ya know, I'm not one to speak up on politics, because I was not as informed as I am now, but I will say this, not matter what we say or do, Dubya is back in office and I PRAY that the next four years will not be the same as the last four years.

I PRAY that this election, these debates, the CLOSENESS of the race, showed him how SPLIT the country is and that he will take heed to our message and do something, anything about it. I PRAY that he uses these four years to make his presidency count for something, anything. It scares me to think of what could happen, but I'm PRAYING for the best.

We need to unite as a country, for better or worse, and do our part to make it just a bit better...even on GC :D


treblk gets off soapbox...carry on ;) ;)

Great post. I'm not happy about Boosh either, but on the other hand, my family is here, my life is here. So I deal.

I doubt that there will be any change in his mindset. I have no doubt that he and his cronies will say that his reelection was a sign from God that what they are doing is right. They don't have anyone to answer to! The Senate and the House are more Republican than ever. They'll be able to appoint two or more new U.S. Supreme Court justices. I predict that things are going to get a whole lot worse unfortunately.

This is what I think about the election: How to become a Canadian citizen

Keep Hope Alive
 

This e-mail was sent to me after we received the devastating news about
the election. It is a little long, but worth the read.
Let's keep our heads up Kerry supporters, our time is coming!
I hope this helps.


Hello everyone:

My heart is heavy right now._ I'm so dissapointed in the election
results._ I'm terrified for our country's future._ I feel worse than I did
in 94 or 00.

These next 4 years are gonna suck, no doubt.

However, a good friend in Texas sent this today -- from her good friend
who_lives in Cleveland with her family and works at the Great Lakes
Theatre Festival._ This is an_essay from a playwright and political
activist she knows through GLTF.

Kinda brings tears to_the_eyes and_some hope on a dark day.

Pass it on.

bg

************************************************


Possibly Two Big Steps Back


I'm up early and don't yet know how this is all going to turn out or why.
I do think, in a democracy, that every vote should be counted before it's
officially called for either candidate._ Right now it looks like Bush has
got it, and it may well hold up that way, but I'm grateful to Kerry for
not
giving in to media pressure to just give up and get on with it as Gore
did.

And there's some slightly bitter satisfaction in knowing that if Bush DOES
win, that he will finally -- FINALLY -- for once in his life, have to deal
with the mess he's made._ Iraq, the economy, etc. went south on his watch,
and now it could still be his watch._ And every recent president has
stumbled badly in a second term._ From Watergate to Iran/Contra to Monica
Lewinsky, 2nd-termers tend to overstep and get caught._ And this current
group of scoundrels have ALREADY thrown so many bombs in the air that
we're already beginning to see some of them come home to explode._ I don't
see how they can get through 4 more years without a MAJOR repercussion._ I
also hope not too many of us suffer when they do.

Which leads me to continuing to think the weak things of the world were
put here to confound the mighty._ The confounding just may not have
occurred last night._ I thought Nov. 2 would be the tipping point, the
place where most of us would wake up._ As of now, it looks like most of
this country has
chosen the fantasy over reality._ More of our people want the stories Mr.
Bush tells us.

Which does anger me._ It angers me that the bad guys are going unpunished
for now._ That the So-Called-Liberal-Media bought and propagated the
fantasy stories spun by these people and seem to be rewarded for doing
so._ That my state of Ohio could be slipping further away from the home of
moderate liberalism it used to be and more toward being the Mississippi of
the north.

BUT.

I'm hopeful._ I saw with my own eyes yesterday, as did most of you, what
this country can still be._ I saw people so passionate about making their
voices heard that they stood for hours -- HOURS -- in the rain and heat
and cold to cast their ballot._ I saw young people who'd never voted and
no one
would ever think WOULD vote._ I saw one man at my polling place in
Clevelandwho had a broken hip, who was driven up close to the door of our
polling place, and pulling himself out on his crutches, wincing with EVERY
SINGLE STEP, though the rain and deep puddles, he made it into the voting
booth
because "I'll be damned if anything is going to keep me from voting this
time."_ All I could do was hold an umbrella for him and keep saying "Thank
you."

These are the things movements are built on._ This kind of passion, hope,
alliances, and determination._ The Republicans have been building theirs
for 40 years, and the progressives have only really started in 2003._ Even
if we lose this particular battle, we are still the groundwork for a
movement that I think ultimately MUST win._ Because it's based on truth
and courage and compassion._ And thoughout history, these have ALWAYS won
out._ Not when we'd like them to necessarily, but eventually.

So I'm in it for the long haul._ A lot of me wants to curl in with my
family and pull away from the world today, to regroup and get my
bearings._ But I don't have that option -- I fly out of town in two hours
to work on a play in North Carolina._ I'm going to have to be out in the
bigger world, a world of strangers and new friends.

Just as we all are.

Mr. Bush and company would like nothing better than for us all to curl in
with our families and pull away from the world and become depressed, so
they can get on with the business of ruling us._ I think not._ It's still
our job to make this a country we can truly call home._ Regardless of who
wins, that
doesn't change._ And Mr. Bush can delay us from that goal._ But he can't
stop us.

If it's okay with you all, I'll keep you posted on the struggle._ Thank
you all for your kind words and support these last few months.

I'm going out into the world._ See you there.

Peace,

Eric C.

Democrats look NOW to 2008: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._el_pr/eln2008

I bet at least one of you (I'm not talking about LS6) voted for Bush!

There's a theory that a lot of black folks voted for Bush this time around......because of religious reasons.....and want to keep hush-hush about it.

FESS UP!!!!

I would vote for YOU before I voted for Bush. :D

LOL...Gyrl please, I would keep a crack head laced up for the next four years rather than vote for Go'ge Dubya Bush......No doubt a lot of folks of color did vote for him for "religious" reasons, and I bet some of these preachers couldn't pay him enough to sit up and listen to their sermons on any given Sunday.

Secondly, since it doesn't seem like the knuckle heads who helped vote his tired arsh in office in y2k learned anything, I hope he flips the script on them and does EVERYTHING contrary to what he said he would do for good during his debates.

Lastly, it's not being about a sore loser, it's about reality and Bush is a sore on the face and minds of humanity......I okay, I'm done, aint eeeeeeven gone say nuffin else.......:o

Oh wait, to Ninja Poodle......I was considering the St. Johns Part of Canada myself.......:D

I hope that this election does not prevent anyone from continuing to vote if the election did not turn out in your favor. We have to realize that as of right now, African-Americans do not have a real voice of leadership in politics, but Kerry would have helped us more than hurt us like Bush (Sorry Republican Advocates). Keep in mind that voting is your key to turn our country around. Look on the bright side... Bush won't be President after 2008.

I agree with this ENTIRE post.

You haven't found me in any of the election/politics threads because I don't discuss politics with people I don't know, and for the most part...even though I like most of you guys, I don't know you. One thing I have also learned is that I don't engage in lengthy debates on MESSAGEBOARDS with people who don't share my views, it's futile. I really could G.A.F.F. about what some chick with an imaginary fanclub (or any other person) thinks about my political views..therefore I have stayed away.

LS6, I really wish that you seek help. Evidently you are searching for acceptance or validation on these boards and you are going about it the complete wrong way. I do not agree with 90% of what you post, but I do not challenge you because those are YOUR beliefs. I do not force my beliefs on anyone else and it's something you should try...it makes for a less stressful life experience. Now I know that you are good for drawing people into debate with you...but whatever you think about my post...please save it, because I will not be responding furthur to you.

Good point, but I don't think most people will be able to though. That alone will make the next four years interesting.

Would it be possible to apply for temporary citizenship as a law school student, or at least until I'm 40? Okay, I'll fess up......

I VOTED FOR KERRY!!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt if its a surprise, but I voted for Bush this time (for various reasons, including but not limited to things such as religious morals/values). :)

And thanks for being gracious enough to not rub it in. :)

How was Kerry going to help you?

I don't know if I should be really flattered or really offended by that. :p

WOW.
 

I'm so glad so many of you dedicated so many of your posts to me and the positions I take. And thanks to those that PM'd me to actually "discuss" your issues instead of trying to turn this into another "ALL ABOUT LOVE SPELL thread." Im not on this board trying to earn anyone's respect or play nice just to make ya feel better. 99.99% of the folks that post in the DST and AKA forum feel the same way re: the President...I am the one person that disagrees, and you all can't handle it. I know you say its "the way" I say things...but that's not always the case. I could go dig up numerous posts that prove my point..but I won't because its no point. Its actually quite hilarious to me. CT4 you moderate everything that I say, but when others say comments to me, its cool...cause you agree.

Its a given that if Scary Kerry would have won..there would be so much gloating and "rubbing it in" it wouldn't be funny...but again..since that serves yall's agenda...thats cool.


I believe a couple of you said you'd be praying for me...and that's great, I never refuse prayer. I just hope you're praying for yourself too. :)

Yep. you're right. A lot more black folks voted for Bush than will ever admit it...because they can't take the ridicule and questions about their allegiance to their race yada yada yada that comes along with it. Everybody isn't as strong as me ;)

Re: WOW.
 

Trust me, I do not moderate everything you say. There is not enough time in my day to do so. I have bettter things to do.

I let them say what they say to you because I know a lot of these people have held back in the past.


Had Kerry won, I would have simply said: COOL! NEW Prez yada yada yada. I want to see what Kerry does now that is up on presidential deck. That's it. That's all. My total faith is not in the men that walk around here on Earth but on THE MAN that created heaven and Earth.

If you don't like GC or the atmosphere here, you can always leave.

As LG said, thanks for having class. :)

Re: WOW.
 

you are so far gone it's not even funny...it's sad.



see, that's the type of stuff we're talking about. ugh!


i was one of the ones that said it and i certainly mean it. and i've been praying for myself because had i not, i probably would've said (typed) some really ugly things to you. and i guaran-damn-tee you'll see withing the next 4 years the same things that i will see -- bush don't care a thing about either one of us. we'll just wait to see if you'll be "strong" enough to admit it.

Congress has addressed changing/eliminating the system on numerous occasions.

Another soror proposed a great idea in regards to the Electoral College. She no longer posts on GC but this is her idea and I like it as an alternative. Example: North Carolina has 15 electoral votes, but Bush won 53% of NC and Kerry won 47% of the votes. Instead of the entire 15 Electoral votes going to Bush, he would instead get 53% of the 15 electoral votes and Kerry would get 47%.


I believe that the South has a stronghold on the Republican votes. Between now and 2008, the Democrats need to build better relations and a better candidate to compete against whoever the Republicans have as Presidential candidate.

Since this is the Aftermath thread (or one of them anyway, lol), how/what are you doing? What is your chapter doing?

Re: Re: WOW.
 

Yep that goes for everyone... There is also an ignore feature on GC. ;)

And further, I will only be addressing the election in this thread...anything else you or anyone has to say about me will go unanswered....

....MOVING ON>>>