I don't find the use of my letters trivial thing either. I know that I personally would not wear letters on my rear. Also, I know in my chapter that it was highly expected of you to be presentable when wearing your letters. Walking around campus, hungover or sloppy messy hair/makeup, was highly discouraged and looked down upon. I think most chapters are like this though. 'Big Brother' is always watching....especially when one has on their letters. I know if I saw an XYZ being unlady like per se or acting like a fool, the letters were the first thing I noticed. With all that being said, I think that the use of your letters is something that one should respect and think twice about before they use/wear them.

just my opinion

I'm talking about the material letters not the meaning of your letters. Of course the actual meaning of your letters is not trivial but materialistic representatives are. If you are true to your letters in your heart, it shouldn't matter how they are worn, as long as they are worn.

Like I said, there are larger issues that greeks could invest time and energy in, perhaps trying to reverse some of the many negative stereotypes we face everyday. But if conquering this "disrespect" floats your boat, get at it!

I simply try to better myself and my fraternity in other ways....

This is said every time we talk about something that someone finds trivial.

Where your letters wherever you want. I don't care unless you are a member of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc.:D

I agree completely...It's completely disrespectful to sit on your letters

And the point is? It was kind of lost on me.

I mean don't get me wrong I don't agree with it either and if people feel that strongly against it they should get at it. To some people this is a bigger issue.

I'd rather spend time increasing our numbers, volunteering members at Childrens Hospital or raising money for the Childrens Miracle Network and other things that I personally find important and rewarding.

Of course I can only speak for myself, but I never joined my fraternity for "letters," I joined for something much more.

The point of it was to state that your remark is commonly made when discussing topics such as this. breathe easy.

The jolly girls?

-Rudey

*nod* it is a common issue for what it's worth...


Rudey - I joined for the girls that sport their letters on their ass...bwahaha

I personally would never do this. I think it looks tacky and not very classy. We had SDT on our campus and many people thought the letters spelled "eat" as pointed out in an earlier post, and I just think it doesn't look good (I'm not singling you ladies out though, just giving an example;) ).

I had sisters that had pants like these when I was in school but they always wore them for lounging around the house, my current roommate still does. She doesn't wear them out to the store or when she goes over to her boyfriend's house and she didn't do it in college either.
It's not something I would personally do, because I don't need to be drawing anymore attn to my butt. Something like this doesn't bother nearly as much as people that smoke, drink, or shack in their letters. But that's probably because I've been so conditioned that all of these are not appropriate, 'butt letters' didn't appear until my junior year.

Co-sign.

At my university it is very popular to wear sweats with letters on the butt. I can understand why people dislike this, but personally it doesn't bother me or offend me, and it is a complete non-issue at my school. I actually own a pair of sweat pant capris with my letters on the butt. Personally I don't find it to be disrespectful to my letters, although I know a lot of people say it's like "sitting on your letters." I can see why that would be offensive but to me it's not. I don't view it as disrespecting my letters. I mean, there are plenty of girls who wear their letters spelled out across their chest, and although it is different no one says anything about the fact that the letters are across a girl's breasts- cause although you can say "no they're over the girl's heart," let's be real they aren't. I feel that the way you chose to wear your letters is your thing. Girls who drink in their letters (it's done very frequently at my school), wear their letters on their butt, etc. have the right to. Yes you are representing your GLO, but you are still an individual...

I think it depends.
We have pants/shorts that we got for Greek Week dance uniforms that say "Tri Delta" on the butt area. Its not directly across the butt, but rather right below the waist. I don't have a problem with that.

Nor do I have a problem with girls who have letter pants in the same location (again, higher so as it goes on the small of the back rather than butt). Personally, would I wear them? No.

I see nothing wrong with smoking or drinking in your letters - if they're that bad, you shouldn't do them at all - but I won't hijack the thread as that is one dead horse.

I really think this is something that depends upon your campus. Just like around here a lot of the state schools have the puffy baseball jackets - I'm sure at some places those would be looked at like "what the?" and think they were hideous. But they're a big deal here and everyone's proud to wear them.

Personally, I think the most offensive thing you can do to or in your letters is mistreat or be mean to others. If you go to a restaurant in your letters and act like a bitch, that's 100x worse than drinking in letters or wearing them on your butt.

I couldn't agree more.

thanks jill, i almost fell out of my chair!

I completely agree. Like for instance, if I see girls in letters drinking a beer or any kind of alcohol I'm not going to think "Oh, look at that her sorority must be full of drunks." Because really let's be honest... drinking in college isn't exactly an uncommon thing. However, if a bunch of girls are wearing letters and are coming off as bitches, then their sorority is gonna get a rep. for being a bitchy sorority. That's the unfortunate truth... even if its really only a few girls out of many that's what's gonna happen.

I think it's tacky to wear any writing on your ass. A neighbor girl had a pair of pants that said "Bootylicious" on the butt. Eww.

I think it's double tacky to have letters on your butt. I do think it's disrespectful to your organization to have your letters and your organization tied to your rear end, and that it's tacky as all get-out to have your letters on clothing in such a way that you're going to damage or soil them.

I don't have as much problem with track pants that have the letters on the front hip or down the leg... it just looks less sloppy.

Letters on your chest drawing attention to your chest is not such a problem unless your letter shirts are a size too small... :p

Ditto!



I would nevvvvvver drink in my letters at a bar-- now since I have graduated and if I am at home having a drink and I happen to have on an ADPi shirt that is different. But to the point of this thread-- I do not find it disrespectful to wear your letters on your butt (I totally agree with the boobs thing if you are going to fight the butt thing), but I would never wear them as I think they are more for the collegiate members!!

I so agree. It pisses me off to no end when girls are rude to people or act all pissy while in their letters.

I really dont see a problem. Let people be people. If they look dumb its not your problem to worry about. Different strokes for different folks.....

I"m not a fan of the printed butt look in general, but here is my question...
How are butt letters, if they are disrespectful, any different than scadalous or suggestive party shirts. ie 'Come get laid with XYZ' etc. or in some ways the really bitchy ones?

Presentation is presentation if it is on your ass, your back or your chest...Just kinda curious how all that is different, it just seems disrespectful on t-shirts also...

I completely agree. Shirts with slogans like that are very popular at my school for greek events. It's like everyone tries each year to think of the most suggestive slogan that means what it means, but not at the same time. :rolleyes:

To me, it's just a matter of preference. I personally wouldn't do it nor do I care to see the ladies of my house with the shorts HOWEVER, if our Nationals don't see a problem with allowing the merchandise to be sold & bought, then I'm not about to go & start a revolution.
I believe the letters are to be respected but I'm not going to disrespect my sister by telling her that she's wrong. My opinion is obviously different from hers if she finds it o.k. to wear our letters on her ass.

Finally, if you must wear shorts the letters on the ass, please get the appropriate size shorts. It's not nice to see letters so stretched out you can't tell a Sigma from an Epsilon.

eww.

thats a no no.

Who doesn't like to see a sweet ass? Who doesn't love to see letters? Who doesn't love to see letters on a sweet ass?

More power to ya, wear them all day long.

Well put! ;)

I'm not going to blow a fuse if I see a sister with letters on her butt, but I wouldn't wear them myself.

How Come I nearly choked on my breakfast reading this?!

i think i'm going to sorority hell too cuz i have sweatpants w/ letters on the bum cuz i think its cute! altho sometimes the 'O' in AOII disappears in certain spots...haha all the other girls and i refer to them as the A - crack - II pants!

"Butt pants" as they are called at my school where really popular my senior year. Girls didn't know if they were the same as 'letters' so before Spring Formal Recruitment when all sorority women weren't supposed to wear letters except at events a second Panhellenic email went out that even pants with letters on them counted. :rolleyes: I think they are pretty disrespectful but the pants are usually very comfy which is why they are so popular.
Pant/shots with our college name on the butt are popular too..and I am guilty of owning a pair of those, but I wear them as PJs!
I'm of the belief that when in letters one should try and dress polished. No need to be all scruff looking at Sunday brunch with your letters on, they are an outwright representation of your organization.

In high school our official gym uniforms had the name of the school arched on the butt. I think they're very cute. I want some with the name of my college there. I see the point about it being disrespectful, but if you've got a cute butt, they sure look good. I don't get too deep into the symbolism of it.

Phi Mu sells them on their website though the name is spelled out rather than in letter form.

http://www.phimu.org/graphics/200430_200431.jpg

It was pretty popular at my school the last year I was there. I personally thought they were a little tacky, but it was no big deal. It was a bigger deal to be drinking in public with letters on (though once we took alum vows we were all off the the bar in our letters)

HAHAHAHAHA!!! I know lots of people don't like the butt shorts, but this picture was too fitting NOT to post it here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...buttshorts.jpg

From here.

i would not want to wear my letters on my butt. i don't want people looking down there to see what sorority i am in.

Fraternity Men!
 

You know what I would love to see? Fraternity men wear their letters on their butt! I've seen guys with words on the bottom of their pants and I'm all for equal rights, so let's see them do it! (Note: I am saying this half-sarcastically and only because I know many men whom do not see the problem with sorority women wearing their letters on their butt.)

Isn't this for 15 year olds?

Gotta agree with D on this one. Besides, this isn't an issue for me since it's been about 10 years since my butt was worthy of sporting my letters!