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Originally posted by swissmiss04
Good post, Russ!

Extremists like Bin Laden view anything new (even things like cars) as bida'a which in Arabic means "innovation", but not innovation in the sense of progress, but innovation as in "perversion". There's nothing in Islam that forbids things like TV, computers, or technology in general. They just see only the negative aspects and declare it bad without realizing that there's a lot of good in technology as well.

Frankly, I hope we take a bit of our technology and pay him a visit, so to speak.

Thanks.

What I find perplexing is people who think that the U.S. is responsible for the creation of Al Qaeda. The dynamics that brought about its creation predate the existence of the U.S. Its as if the history of the world began in 1980, and only events that occurred after 1980 should be considered, and only in the context of a world that never had a Cold War. Leftists have a very bizarre world view when it comes to Al Qaeda.

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Thanks.

What I find perplexing is people who think that the U.S. is responsible for the creation of Al Qaeda. The dynamics that brought about its creation predate the existence of the U.S. Its as if the history of the world began in 1980, and only events that occurred after 1980 should be considered, and only in the context of a world that never had a Cold War. Leftists have a very bizarre world view when it comes to Al Qaeda.

:rolleyes:

NOBODY said that the US is responsible for Al Qaeda, heck I've even said that this org was mainly created to battle the Saudi Government cause Bin Laden felt that it was wrong. Al Qaeda would also go into Afghanistan to fight the soviets there, which we were giving "military aid" to at the time. The US is over 200 years old, please break down the history of Al Qaeda for us.

P.S. the US have had it's hand in Middle East affairs for a LOOOOONNNGGGG Time. The CIA was partially reponsible for overthrowning the Democratically elected government in Iran in the mid 50s thus bringing in the brutal Shah of Iran.

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Originally posted by Shortfuse
NOBODY said that the US is responsible for Al Qaeda, heck I've even said that this org was mainly created to battle the Saudi Government cause Bin Laden felt that it was wrong. Al Qaeda would also go into Afghanistan to fight the soviets there, which we were giving "military aid" to at the time. The US is over 200 years old, please break down the history of Al Qaeda for us.

P.S. the US have had it's hand in Middle East affairs for a LOOOOONNNGGGG Time. The CIA was partially reponsible for overthrowning the Democratically elected government in Iran in the mid 50s thus bringing in the brutal Shah of Iran.

"Al Qaeda would also go into Afghanistan to fight the soviets there, which we were giving "military aid" to at the time." Al Qaeda was formed in 1989, after Bin Laden was involved in the Afghani resistance. They are Wahabists, which is a sect that was founded prior to the creation of the U.S.

The other primary Islao-Fascist organization, that is not primarily concerned with Israel, is the Islamic Brotherhood. They were founded in 1928, before the US was heavily involved in the region.