It's a good thing we have you Rudey, or I think we just might. Since he gave the speech 200 times before, is only 1/2 black, was probably not treated like "regular" Black Americans and doesn't know how to spell his own first name I think people should take back every positive thing they said about him!

I didn't say to "take back every positive thing they said about him"!

-Rudey
--It's a good thing we have you Eclipse to make things up!

Are you implying that he's not black or are you just being facetious?

30% joke, 70% serious.

No, I said they should take everything back. Never said you did.

Tell me, what makes you think people have "fallen under the magic spell"?

Can you also tell me what led you tp say:

What exactly is the experience with skin color that a full African American would have? What is a "full" African American?

OK Well I'm glad you want to take everything good about Barak back.

And hey what do I know about being an African-American, but I bet Tupac and Tiger Woods experienced different things because of their skin color.

-Rudey
--Try and trap someone else with their words.

Exactly......

BTW, you didn't answer my question about the "magic spell".

I bet Tupac and Tiger experienced different things because of their family of origin's lifestyle and socioeconomic background. I bet they experienced a lot of the same things because of their skin color and gender. Matter of fact, based on published reports, I know they did.

Now back to Barack

Well Barak is half white and lived abroad. I guess you can't say much about Barak if you're not white (I guess I'm white, I don't know sometimes I'm racially confused)....and did you live abroad?

I didn't say everyone has fallen under a magic spell and since you've already told everyone to take back all those good things they've said about him, I'm sure no "magic spell" would work, were one to exist.

And hey did Barak's being half white, his birth and upbringing in Hawaii and Indonesia, his socioeconomic status somehow help him understand what the majority of African-Americans (one community, say it with me now) feel?

-Rudey
--I don't like Mitsubishis

That reminds me- my father regularly pulls a stat out of his ass that African-Americans are only about 80% black and 20% white/misc. I should really see if I can find something to back that up sometime.

As for Obama- does anyone know if Nancy Skinner is working on his campaign? I donated towards her during the Primaries.

Well there was a lot of miscegnation during slavery. I'm pretty sure most if not all African Americans have some European ancestry. Heck I have a Scottish last name.

Did the white parents stay in their lives?

-Rudey

It was more of a "you're my property and I'll have my way with you" thing many times. Not all were as nice as Thomas Jefferson, or Strom Thurmond and his multi-racial daughter.

I guess it depends. Some of the white parents sold their children.
:(

Yeah, White men and their fantasies about Black women.

You wanna meet up after work?

-Rudey
--That's a joke, get it? :)

i liked the way he spoke and it did make me think and thats probably the best thing you can do with a speech, make people think. get them to rally to yor side and make them think about what you said.

:p

Oh snap, what about Eve?

She told me to ride, I told her to die, and the next thing I know she left me.

-Rudey

So I'm #1 now???

No. Star Jones is number 1, 2, and partly in number 3 too.

-Rudey
--I'm sorry

Alright.
if you like payless...

TheEpitome please clean some of your PM box out.

Thanks:)

If anyone is interested his bday party is at theeeee Holiday Inn.

-Rudey
--Just go and say what's up!

While looking for the new Steview Wonder CD on Barnes Noble ran across this book review for a book by Barack Obama.



Elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama was offered a book contract, but the intellectual journey he planned to recount became instead this poignant, probing memoir of an unusual life. Born in 1961 to a white American woman and a black Kenyan student, Obama was reared in Hawaii by his mother and her parents, his father having left for further study and a return home to Africa. So Obama's not-unhappy youth is nevertheless a lonely voyage to racial identity, tensions in school, struggling with black literature-with one month-long visit when he was 10 from his commanding father. After college, Obama became a community organizer in Chicago. He slowly found place and purpose among folks of similar hue but different memory, winning enough small victories to commit himself to the work-he's now a civil rights lawyer there. Before going to law school, he finally visited Kenya; with his father dead, he still confronted obligation and loss, and found wellsprings of love and attachment. Obama leaves some lingering questions-his mother is virtually absent-but still has written a resonant book.

I just got an email about that. $50 to party with Obama....?

Yeah I doubt the 50 is gonna get you anything. The 250 probably might get you to see him. Who the heck throws a bday party at the Holiday Inn - especially after getting all this attention??

-Rudey

Most candidates try to minimize costs... unless you're Bush or Lieberman hosting $2,000 plate dinners.

1) It's a birthday party. Nobody said anything about a fundraiser although it might be.

2) $2000 plate dinners has nothing to do with minimizing costs. That's called maximizing profits. That's like simple math and reading sonny.

3) Stop making these ridiculous claims. Bush is known for having the cheapest fund raisers of all where he serves hot dogs and tries to get as many donations as possible that night.

-Rudey

Have you worked campaigns? The costs such as $50 attendance is covered as misc income (if less than $200 the donor info does not have to be recorded) and the VIP $250 is recorded as a donation.

Bush is known for 100-guest fundraisers where he makes $200,000. a hotdog for $2,000 may be cheap for you but is expensive for most of us Americans.

You are not getting it!

It is his birthday party. The invitiation said nothing about being a fund raiser.

And I didn't say anything about how much they can raise in funds. You made a comment that candidates try and minimize costs but Bush has $2,000 dinners. I don't care if he charges the GDP of China for a plate at the dinner, if he serves hot dogs, the costs are minimized. Learn to read stud...and do some thinking.

-Rudey
--And yes I lost 4 times that amount in my telecom portfolio today alone.

Ok, major American sociological question
 

Why is it that every time someone talks about Obama they have to mention that he was the child of a white mother and black father? Why are the races of his parents important? I mean, if they're just going to call him black anyway, why even mention it? I get ticked off every time I see/hear that.

Re: Ok, major American sociological question
 

First, he's pretty impressive.

The black/white parents piece is a part of his story, and I suspect it's one of the things that he and his organization play up to some extent.

When a candidate (or other notable person) chooses to lay those facts out, why shouldn't they be used. To not mention them would be to not tell the entire story.

Re: Ok, major American sociological question
 

It's not like I do it all the time. I think race is important. People identify with a common experience and if race is one of them, so be it. But to constantly go around talking about how he's black is no different than going and saying his mother was white.

-Rudey

Re: Re: Ok, major American sociological question
 

And not too many years ago, being "bi-racial" was looked upon by BOTH racial groups. Being bi-racial made a person a virtual orphan in the eyes of many purists (ugh...hate that thought). You were the "other", and left out of many networking opportunities and social organizations.

Re: Re: Re: Ok, major American sociological question
 

My conservative father and I have always found a common ground in finding multi-racial/ethnic persons to be better looking than persons of the pure form. *shrug*

Re: Re: Re: Ok, major American sociological question
 

Are you bi-racial??

My mother is bi-racial, born and raised in St. Louis. She identifies as a Black woman because back in the 1950s I don't believe calling oneself bi-racial was even a thought. If you look Black in America people will treat you as such. But since there are soooo many combos that exist within our society I'm sure each person has a different experience.

His name
 

How come Barak can't decide how to spell his name?

-Rudey

Re: Re: Re: Ok, major American sociological question
 

My maternal grandmother was considered a "half breed." (Cherokee/White) Not a nice word.