No, there is no point in it, at least not in writing Baba & Co.

If you're going to write someone, you write ABC to complain and to describe (calmly) how Ms. Wawa and her cohorts not only gave a one-sided report steeped in stereotype, but how they were just plain wrong on some of their "facts." You might also remind them that their target audience includes quite a few collegiate and alumnae sorority members.

And if you really want to try to make an impact (and are willing to put forth the effort), you tell ABC that you will no longer be watching The Spew, er, uh, The View; that you will be encouraging members of your chapter/campus PanHellenic/local alumnae association to stop watching; and that you will be encouraging all other Greek women you know to stop watching, etc. Makes sure your letter includes a cc on the inter/national HQ of your GLO and on the editor of your GLO's magazine. And then follow through! Advertising dollars are all that matter, and it's hopeless unless you can attack where it hurts.

I think overall the segment sucked. They didn't have enough to time to have a good discussion about the topic. They just rushed from one item to the next (hazing bulimia, racism). I'm glad that Star got a chance to defend sororities (and the audience applauded for her). But she couldn't say much....Elizabeth cut her off at one point. I can't stand Barbara Walters. She's always sounds like an idiot on the show. And I wanted to smack her when she said she was totally against sororities. Alexandra just came off as really shady to me. And I hate that here "facts" were presented as the gospel. So, like I said, it was total crap.

I think Babs' comment from the beginning of the segment was the reason that Joy failed to comment. She simply clued in the audience that Greek in that conversation was not "nation of origin", rather it was sorority/fraternity greek.

I think Elizabeth is stupid to begin with and is simply a former Survivor castaway...not exactly the most compelling credential...

Meredith usually delivers her personal beliefs with a isht-faced grin, knowing that lemming viewers will listen to her.

Star definitely stated that she is an AKA and I felt that she made a good point by saying that all groups are different and that women should do their research and select a group that meets their needs, etc. I feel that she came to a good defense of historically black sororities. I also feel that she did not defend the (as the View ERRONEOUSLY CLAIMED" "white sororities") (boo) simply because she is not a member of one and wanted to make sure she wasn't overstepping her realm of participation. I respect her for that.

This Pledged chick obviously found people that were so disillusioned with greek life that they would let a reporter in, which should have set off alarm bells in the first place.

I just LOVE how she claimed that our national offices tell us not to talk to the media because they are afraid that we will let them know the dirty truth, that we are all mean, raped, purging, elitist, spoiled bitch maniacs...

Give me an effing break.:mad:

Does anyone know when they run reruns of the episodes?

Star said she is an Alpha Kappa Alpha and was dam proud when she said it!:) i saw her little smile.

Meridith didn't really say anything about it.
Elizabeth didn't go to school where they had sororities
Joy was kinda like meridith

Barbara was very anti greek!

what is so weird is that i had a dream last night that i was standing in a driveway talking to someone. i saw this car with a DZ sticker on it. i asked who the car belonged to? i found out that it belonged to Joy from The View. (i swear it is true. why would i make it up?) how random is that dream? the strangest things come to my mind when i am sleeping.



anywho, i hate The View. i was out of town when it came on today, so i am not sorry that i missed it:rolleyes:

I too wondered how Robbins went undercover. I got the impression that during the Homecoming thing, she was acting as a member of one the groups. How else would she have been there? At my school, the only people who go to those kinds of things are greek, and we have a decent relationship with independents. If I remember correctly, she quoted some of the girls so she would have had to be down on the field participating I'd think. But then it seems the other sorority would have seen her wearing the first group's letters. I don't see how she could have NOT posed as a member.

It confirmed my belief that "The View" is not, and probably never will be, real journalism.

I saw the show and was very disappointed they didn't have anyone their to talk about the positives of sorority life. It was very one-sided.

Poor Star, she looked disgusted through the entire interview. I think she tried to make points to defend sororities but she kept being interuppted by Babs.

Does anyone imagine that this type of stuff will do anything but help sororities?

What % of women who graduated HS last spring actually watch The View. Probably not a lot is my guess.

People are going to join regardless of what the media says. I don't think folks are so naive as to believe the media hype machine anymore. This interview was just to give a free promotion to one of Disney's other products. Personally, I don't think many people are fooled.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I began reading this thread and became quite angered because of what appeared on The View today but now I am angered for another reason.
I AM A HOUSEWIFE or homemaker or Stay-At-Home-Mom however you want to put it...I am also a Greek! I am a proud alumnae of my GLO and I remain active by serving as a Chapter Adviser, President of my local Alumnae Chapter, and as President of my chapter's Chapter Association...So I guess you could say that my opinion does matter when it comes to Greeks. And how ironic because I just did an interview TODAY with my local newspaper concerning some Greek alumnae awards that I received this past weekend at our National Convention and used my time in the spotlight to give postive facts about sorority life and to promote Greek life in my hometown. But what do I know my opinion doesn't matter...I'm just a housewife.
And by the way...I have NEVER watched The View...I'm too busy taking care of the most important thing in the world to me which just happens to be a GLO legacy which I will encourage to join a sorority one day!

Elizabeth graduated from Boston College where there is no Greek system.

As for Barbara Walters, if I remember correctly, in an autobiography or biography on her, there was a story about how she was rejected by a high school sorority. I don't know about her college years.

What do you mean by that?

A lot of housewives are sorority members.

Just because some of us are @ home, doesn't mean we're not interested in the future of our sororities...or sororities in general.

I'm with on you on this. I haven't read the book, but I think she made up a lot of the stuff.

BTW, I was contacted by someone a couple years ago on AOL who was writing a book about sororities. When I started to ask HER questions, she logged off. I saved the whole conversation. I wonder if it could've been Alexandra Robbins...

Star talked about her sorority experience a few weeks ago on the show. I remember her saying that she was National Vice President of AKA at one time! Wow!

She just exudes the positive qualities of a true AKA and I think she did the best she could do.

First, Barbara Walters has always been a pill. Second, Joy is in it for the paycheck...don't be fooled! Besides, the show is scripted for the most part. They just ad lib sometimes, so if the producers said, "Now, Joy, we know you're a sorority girl, but don't mess up this segment" I'm sure she would keep her mouth shut. (Yes, in speaking for the producers, I did sound condescending)

my suitemate had the book, and the more i read, and the more press i hear about robbins, the more i think too much of this, while somewhat representative of some groups, is a product of her over-productive imagination.
it reads too much like a fiction novel to be considered journalistic.

I was messaged on AOL a while back from someone who was writing a book. I was just about to sign off when she messaged me and I just told her I love my organization but I couldn't take to her and signed off.
That might have been her. But I guess because I didn't say anything negative I wasn't her type of interview because she never contacted me again.

How can you use interviews from IM?? Forget unprofessionalism, that's just lazy!

Annie post it pleeeeease!!!! :)

Miss Robbins should just have written a novel. I flipped through her book last month when I was at a bookstore, and her book didn't even have an index. I expected a book like that to have one.

heres the website:

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/index.html

The only way to correct something is to go to the source. You can email all of the members of the view on the website. I think you should tell them your point of you. I didn't get to see the episode but maybe if enough people write in they'll make a public apology, not likely but atleast its an attempt to make them understand there is more to sororities then looks, shopping, and our relationships with men. Its Disappointing that Joy Behar didn't stand up for us. Thats one individual who allowed the rest of us to look bad.:( I am disappointed to call her a sister.

She's actually very complimentary towards NPHC groups. I guess she took what she knew about achievement and activity at the alumnae level, and how more black women in major positions of power discuss their sorority membership quite openly, as well as the fact that the chapters are usually smaller, etc. There's an article in some sociological journal called, "Getting ahead or getting a man?" which compares the aims of historically black v. historically white sororities. She interviewed those who wrote their dissertations on the Greek system, as well as alumnae of NPHC groups. I guess they were much more cooperative than NPC groups.

I'm sorry, but I'm not losing any sleep over what the View had to say about Greek Life. Not every Greek alum looks back on their time with fondness--and some simply do not care, or agree with, statements made against the Greek system.

Now I didn't see it.

As for Joy... here are my thoughts. I can only imagine how I would be. Being a Greek to find out that the show I work on is interviewing some bee-atch that wrote a story giving in to the stereotypes of Greeks I would be BEYOND PISSED. I would have to keep quiet otherwise they would have to A)cancel the segment, B) edit it terribly or C) tell my ass to leave. B/C I would have been BITCHING her out. I would have been standing up for my sorority and telling this chick that she is full of SHIT.

Now can you imagine if Joy felt the same way as me. She would be smart to keep her mouth shut.

Yes, it is annoying because she should have defended us, but she could have lost her job for doing that. That might not have been a chance she was willing to take.

Does anyone else think that we all should be writing in letters/stories to magazines and newspapers saying the benefits of being Greek?

This crap that is going around really makes me want to write a letter saying everything I've gained from being in a sorority. The leadership qualities I've attained. The friendships I've made. Etc...

I would really love for our National HQ to "respond" to this by releasing a statement to the press saying positives about being Greek.

Ugh. This whole thing just really pisses me off.

Sorry if I offended anyone with my earlier ranting.
Bri

Maybe that is how Joy felt.
Maybe Joy did not speak up because she didn't not look fondly at her time as a collegian. However, she also knows that Robbins book is not an accurate portrayal of the greek systems and she felt that it would best for her to stay silent.

On the other hand, she might have been silent because she had to hold her tongue ;)

Co-sign. I think that some GC folks take it personally when a celebrity isn't as gung-ho about their affiliation as we might be. For some people, it really is just a college thing. Others had experiences as an alumna (as I have) that would make one want to separate from the organization. People change and grow, and some decide that Greek Life isn't for them as adults.

When NPC groups have so much graduation attrition, why are some so hurt when we see someone who does the same thing as half our chapter did--who just happens to be famous?

I don't know--I felt like it was a pretty good representation of Greek life. It made me laugh, and there were definitely girls in the book that reminded me of my sisters. But what do I know? :confused:

I am not offended/annoyed by Joy's silence...I probably would have done the same thing. I am offended by Meredith's blanket statement that summed up all sororities as without morals, based solely on this stupid book. Oh well. I've moved on....

I just wish, as someone said further up thread, that someone would write a "tell all" book about being Greek that extolled the virtues of the experience...I don't mean they should leave out the not-so-pretty part of true Greek life, but with all of us who have good things to say, why hasn't that been published?

Oh wait-maybe it's because our national org's have forbidden us from contributing to anything like that for fear that we will reveal some of the unpleasant side.... *sigh*

I think that if your sorority's national site is trumpeting the fact that you're a famous alumna, and you don't want them to either because you think it's "just a college thing" or because you had a bad experience, you should ask them to not post your name on the site or publicize it.

I'm inclined to believe that Joy was told to keep her mouth shut in this case, so as not to derail her fellow Disney employee's publicity train.

I'll definitely be writing an email to The View to express my concern with the show. Don't worry, it will be very polite & concise. I hope other Greek women take a stand as well.

Do you think emailing each of the View women and stating how I disagree with what they said and telling them how diff my experience was would be a bad thing? I am not going to state which sorority I am in and I am not going to yell at them or say anything offense. I just want them all to know how wrong they truly are as is the book and that I was offended with the comments made, esp by Meredith and Barbara. I plan to email all of them and send a copy of my email to ABC. I think this is perfectly fine though because I am not saying anything rude nor giving them my affiliation.

Do ya'll think that would be ok? I just think its bad if I dont comment about my feelings.

Alexandra Robbins! UGH!
 

Last night I saw Alexandra Robbins on Access Hollywood- you know a show that prides itself on telling the truth! (notice the sarcastic tone). She was talking about Skull & Bones and how she is an expert on the organization and how she breached their walls and learned all their secrets.
I'm sorry, but she is sooo full of it! I don't know much about Skull & Bones, but I am pretty sure it's been around for more than a hundred years and they have kept their secrets out of the public, they sure as hell aren't gonna let Ms. Robbins in on them.

Also, if you read "Pledged" (insert sarcastic comment here) she mentions how she could pass for a 19 year old college student. Um, after seeing last nights interview- I really don't think she could have.

I have finished my rant.

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i haven't said anything about the book in any threads, that i can recall, but what i read in the book wasn't too far off from things i saw at school and what i know that happens at other schools. so in a way.. yeah it's the truth. i saw stuff like what she talked about throughout my four years in college. although it wasn't limited to sororities and fraternities, it happened with others as well. but honestly, to say that what she wrote about is false, is not the truth.

eta: maggieaxid, i just want to add that i'm not pointing to you personally. looking at it, it may seem that way.

eta again: b/c i made no sense!

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Co-sign. Sometimes I would think, "Wait a minute! This is MY house!" and I went to a pretty anti-Greek campus and a tiny liberal-arts school.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mu_agd


eta: maggieaxid, i just want to add that i'm not pointing to you personally. looking at it, it may seem that way.


I never said anything that implied that what she said about sororities didn't hold some merit. I merely was stating in a ranting way, that you can't take this woman's views as gospel truth. And it irritates me that when she is interviewed (like on "The View" and "Access Hollywood" that she is praised for her work in "uncovering the truth".

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by maggieaxid

Quote:

Originally posted by mu_agd eta: maggieaxid, i just want to add that i'm not pointing to you personally. looking at it, it may seem that way. I never said anything that implied that what she said about sororities didn't hold some merit. I merely was stating in a ranting way, that you can't take this woman's views as gospel truth. And it irritates me that when she is interviewed (like on "The View" and "Access Hollywood" that she is praised for her work in "uncovering the truth".

i didn't say you did, that's why i added the eta that i wasn't pointing my comment to you even though i quoted part of it. i had just wanted to quote any statement about the book not being the truth and yours just happened to be the one that was right there. once again, i never said i was pointing at you personally, that looking at my post it may seem that way. i wanted to say that her book was pretty damn accurate for many large greek systems and to say that it wasn't true at all was false.

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Exactly!

I don't know how many times I have said this, but if this was a real reasearch book/paper she would be laughed at and it would never have been published. Everyone knows that on school and 2 chapters are not a sample size for reasearch.
While I'm not saying that bad things don't go on in some chapters, she can't say she's uncovered the truth about sororites and sorority life.
I read the book and all I can think is WTF??!! I can't relate to any of this because my experience was so completely different. I'm not saying by any means were we perfect, but drug rooms? God damn it, we didn't even have a house!!! Ranking of breast sizes...nope didn't happen!
Easting disorders, sure it happens. But out of a chapter of 20 80% of us having them. That's almost the whole chapter!!! Damn, I don't think so.
for those of us who had completely different experience from those "girls" in the book, it's hard for us to relate and take her seriously, and it sure as hell pisses us off when she makes it sounds like we're all like that.

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yep i was lookin around yesterday and found her book about the skull and bones society. i had no idea she had done anything on them. so anyway i grabbed the book and started reading it last night. i read clear till 1:30 this morning and so far she really hasnt revealed any secrets. she tells a whole lot about yale and societies but the book is called "secrets of the tomb" or something and i havent read any secrets so far. she mentions the members taking a bride and groom of the society into a barn after the ceremony and performing their own ceremony. gee. thats satanic. *total sarcasm* and thats a big ole secret too aint it? NO ALEXANDRA ITS NOT. i would expect organizations to do their own thing for a bride and groom ESPECIALLY if they are as elite as the skull and bones society. when i finish the book i'll let yall know more.