Now Honeykiss1974 you know I can't disclose my sources.














Yeah I heard that on NPR, now let's keep that on the DL before Ms. Lovespell finds out and shut them down.:D

Writing a letter as we speak LOL :D

Well Clinton had more blacks in productive roles in his cabinet(do your research), Bush has two token parrots that repeat and defend every silly and asinine policy Bush has pushed down their throats. The Democrats did block Bush's attempt to place a token Latino into the fold which is a good thing. Your constant drivel about abortion is getting olded hat.....how surprised would you be if you found out that one of your beloved President's daughters had an abortion? That stat is flawed are you sure it cost $750 for an abortion...you might want to research that, also I do love my as you said peeps that's why a change is in order w/ so many blacks facing job loss and cuts in educational funding we can't have (4) more years of Bush.

Let me get this straight 13 million abortions costed 4 billion dollars and the aveage cost of these abortions went up to $308 yet you stated the aveage cost is $750............Your private crusade against abortions have made you mad as in insane, I know your stance on abortions but you can't just makeup all kinds of crazy stats to help prove your point. Let me ask you a question if your so pro life why would you vote for a guy like Bush who advocates keeping automatic assault rifles legal.

AXEAM,
What position are you taking? Are you saying that you don't believe the abortion stats? or are you disagreeing with the cost or the fact that 43% of all black children are aborted? Why does Iconoclastics "private crusade" as you call it against the murder of a life that only God created make him insane?

Just trying to understand where you coming from. :confused:

If you think his stats are crazy, visit http://www.saveus.org/docs/factsheetsindex.html and look at the fact sheets. Those facts are crazier than anything anybody could ever make up.

I believe all those so called stats are slanted, just think about those behind that web site have an agenda that they're pushing.
I also believe that Icon does to, I'm not supporting abortions b/c it is murder but I believe that sometimes it can be neccesary in cases of rape, sexual abuse of a minor child and other cases. I also believe that murder is murder be it abortion or an unjust war.

I knew you would LOL! We always tend to believe stats are biased or slanted when we don't agree with them! But it aint that much slanting in the world bruh;)

No ma'am I don't disagree w/ stats that I may personally be @ odds with b/c I don't like them, but those above stats are filled w/bias. Also Iconoclastic's mindset is so warped that this person considers Thurgood Marshall to be a crony which speaks volumes.

AXEAM,

Some "neutral" sites that contain stats that mirror those on saveus.org can be found on the CDC's website (although the CDC does admit that its method of tracking abortions is flawed) or the US Dept. of Health and the Census Bureau. The stats regarding the black community are fairly interesting. It is hard to believe, but once I dug deeper, it was a wake up call that we (meaning you and me) have got to do something.

No longer can we wait on a collective "group", "party", or organization to do it. Maybe that's how we (our community) got in this situation in the first place....waiting on someone else to do something.

Regarding the cost of abortions.....

My church has an active anti-abortion ministry because in our city, there is a clinic here that performs all types of abortions (from early pregnancy all the way up to late term). Depending upon WHEN you get one, the price does range from about $400 (early pregancy) to $800-$1,000 (for later term or partial birth abortions). Just thought I'd throw that out there. :)

When I say these stats are slanted I mean that most stats dealing w/ Black America are pooled from the worst lowest subjects then projected to look worst then they actually are. Follow me on this one if you were to pick only the worst rotten apples off of a tree then (x) that amount by a ratio of all the apples on that tree your findings would be flawed. When studies are done on Black Americans the working class, middle and upperclass are often exclued, by using using the lower socio-economic group the results will not represent all of Black America but will cast the whole of Black America under a somewhat negative light.

Bush's speech before the Urban League reminded me of an old James Brown song entitled"TALKING LOUD BUT SAYING NOTHING."

Thats funny...that song reminds me of the Democratic Party ;)

That's a good one.... but the song that the American people will sing to Bush is an old song by the Who entitled "WE WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN":D

What are the Republicans doing for African-Americans. And don't give me nonsense about what they "said" I mean what was actually done and put us in the poor house isn't one of them.

Re: Here it goes!
 

Sorry it's taken me so long to get into this but....

Abortion isn't just a black problem. Women of ALL racist have been having abortion for THOUSANDS of years. You can't say it's a planned attack on the black community because mostly it's done in private. You can't look at a woman and tell she's had an abortion or can correctly track down the stats of every abortion (yes there are still THOUSANDS of Illegal ones) to back this claim up.

Second, your first part of this comment has absolutely NOTHING to do with the second part. Nothign at all.

Re: Re: Here it goes!
 

Did you really listen to what Iconoclastic posted or are you just trying to poke holes into his argument? You really didn't factually dispute anything he said. Can you?? OF course abortion isn't just a black problem...where did you see that he implied that? But it is affecting our community in disproportionate numbers...just as HIV/AIDS isn't a black problem...but its wreaking havoc in our community.

First of all let me say what's up to my man Shortfuse glad to see you made it over on this site. Now Icon is always blowing smoke and claiming everything about Black America is the worst makes me wonder, abortions have been performed in other communities for a long time difference is they will go to a private doctor and it's not reported. Icon should know this the situation is the same w/ aids come on man do some research I saw no lesson in your post just more uniformed drivel, you know the Pharisees and the Sadducees considered themselves to be true men of God also.

Lawd no you didn't bruh :eek: LOL

Lod knows I need to be working
 

There is a thread on here about the founding of Planned Parenthood, FEMA, and other agencies and social epidemics that were created to destroy the Black man. Icon is saying the EXACT same thing as stated in that thread (that others were so quick to agree with) but yet, its now considered nonsense??

Over the course of the day I will search for that thread and post a link.

As I have said before, I guess it all depends on WHO is delivering the message. **shrug** Oh wait! It does, because then there wouldn't be such an uproar of Bill Cosby either.

Never just let your mind be for rent always do some research.

Re: Lod knows I need to be working
 

Girl I swear we are >>>here<<< LOL!

I was making the same point yesterday that people can really get caught up in who's delivering the message and miss the whole point. I am waiting to see that thread!

There are certain traps set up to harm Black America but those listed above are not them.

Re: Re: Re: Here it goes!
 

No need to poke holes or dispute it. His comment about Abortion being a planned attack on Black America is ALREADY FULL OF HOLES and laughable at best. Your boy has no facts to back up ANY of that (abortion a planned attack on Blacks) up. I'm not going to comment on anything else in this thread because I just got here. But, that abortion comment was over the top.

Icon's intolerance for abortions have been noted, now you don't need to bring it up in so many threads (that don't pertain to abortions) anymore. I also suggest that you stop letting your hatred coupled w/ your religious convictions blind you if you keep on your current path you're going to be another Osama Bin-Laden very soon.

I can't believe it!
 

When I typed this message months ago I never thought that it would create this kind of stir. I've been gone fron GC for a while and I never expected my question to the audience to continuie like this.

I'm glad.

I love to here intellegent people debate feelings and thoughts on a subject like this.

I guess when you put passionate people (frat/soror) in a forum and ask them to talk about another passionate subject (God and religion) expect to get some excitement and fire works.

Keep it up you guys!

Frat2b

Re: I can't believe it!
 

I take it you meant the other thread--is Frat life good for a man of God.

Yeah LadyGreek I think he meant to pick door #2:D

It seems Bush likes to duck any type of battle, but instead prefer to talk a good game. The news coming out is that Bush may skip a town hall type debate w/ John Kerry b/c he's afraid of the questions that the undecided voters will ask him......

Some one should tell this guy that he can't hide all of his life.

Bush to address NAACP after five-year hiatus
 

Tuesday, July 18, 2006; Posted: 1:40 p.m. EDT (17:40 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- After a five-year absence, President Bush will appear before the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the nation's oldest civil rights organization, the White House announced Tuesday.

His speech on Thursday comes as his Republican Party tries to court black voters ahead of critical congressional elections in November and almost a year after the Bush administration was widely criticized for failing to help the poor and black communities in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/...eut/index.html

Well the NAACP basically calling for a boycott of Target shows how petty they really are.

More info please....what's going on with Target?

Found this NAACP calls on blacks to avoid Target

Short version: NAACP does a Diversity survey every year
Target has gotten an F, a D-, and another F over the past 3 years. (see wikipedia article on Target)
Target won't tell the NAACP anything about it's hiring practices.

Oh and the article threw in that Oprah endorsed Tar-jay.

I don't know anything about the NAACP's survey, but if Target doesn't WANT to share their info, they don't have to. They just shouldn't be surprised if this happens...

The NAACP presents surveys or something similar, that businesses can complete in order to recieve a ranking by the NAACP or whatever subsidiary organization does this...anyhow, Target, among others, simply didn't complete the "survey" (from what I understand, its not like a single page survey, its an extensive questionaire type project to complete), and for their non-compliance, recieved an F from the NAACP. Also, someone from the NAACP made some comments saying that black people should avoid their stores, but didn't actually use the word boycott. Target issued a press release noting some statistics, where 40 something percent of their employees are black, along with 20 something percent of their supervising/managerial staff. They said they did not complete the survey because they want to be inclusionary of everyone, and not focus on a single race. I find it really ridiculous when the NAACP and similar "civil rights" organizations issue these type of surveys to companies and universities, and give them a failing grade for not responding. Who are they to determine that everyone must take time to participate in something, for fear of being deemed not hospitable/unreceptive/prejudiced or something along those lines.

If it's true that they simply didn't fill out the survey, I'm disappointed in the way the NAACP handled it. They shouldn't give an F and move on, they should put that information is not given.

Sure, then boycott, protest whatever. But don't make it sound like Target is failing to hire black/advertise in their neighborhoods etc just that they aren't willing to share that information with the NAACP.

Well from the article you posted, the information is out there that Target refused to provide the information....

And no, they don't have to fill out the questionaire if they choose not to do so.

I wouldn't worry about Target... I'm sure they will respond in what they think is their best interest in light of a possible "boycott."

Well I don't really agree with much of what the NAACP does, but if they merely said "We can't speak on Target, they did not respond to the survey," I think that would be fine. However, I don't like the situation they try and create where companies and schools are basically forced to answer to the NAACP.

Wikipedia's article said that they actually rated Target with 2 Fs and a D- over the past 3 years.. I assume for NOT filling out the survey...

That's the part I don't like.

I don't know if it was the first article i posted or another I read that said several other stores didn't respond including Sears and Kohls.

It's all business to me. If Target thinks this will hurt their business they'll do something different. If not, they won't.

So why don't you start your own thread about that, this thread was started b/c of a subpar president's failure to meet with or acknowledge any concerns of people of color. As far as I'm concern the NAACP should tell Bush to go to hell...his response or shall I say lack of response to victims of Hurricane Katrina spoke volumes.

Bush does not have empathy for minorities, public education, and those poor young soldiers -Black and White who are losing their lives daily in that war!