That would be the shit.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE It.

Does the Harem run everything behind the scenes of GC? Or is it too secretive for you to confirm? I like covert operations. Cue the theme to Mission Impossible. This thread will self-destruct in ten seconds. ;)

I highly doubt any member of the Harem will comment on that. :rolleyes:





:p

i love you! this post rocks!

I made no personal attacks against any GCer.

I did comment on how if Clinton slept with Pamela Anderson instead, the Constitution would have been ammended to make him King.

That got deleted.

I also commented on hoe Monica Lewinsky is so huge that she looks like she could be a starting linebacker for the Greenbay Packers.

That was deleted, even though it violated no rules of this forum.

In fact, the rules of this forum indicate that only bashing each other is prohibited.

Look, Russ. Several things here. One, Green Bay. Not Greenbay.

Two, Ms. Lewinsky is nowhere near the size of a linebacker for the Pack in terms of height alone. She also isn't in weight.

You spelled Amendment wrong too.

Anyway, back to the issues - a lot of women on GC, fat and thin, short and tall, felt your post was out of line. You're no Brad Pitt, and even if you were, that doesn't give you the right to criticize Monica for her appearance.

And as I so sweetly pointed out to the H&A last night . . . most of y'all were giving props to JFK for sleeping with Marilyn Monroe. Ms. Monroe, at her largest, was a size 14 . . . the equivalent of a 10/12 today because of vanity sizing. The exact size, in fact, that that James -- and you, I believe -- were ripping on in this thread before it got deleted. I think most of us would agree that Marilyn was gorgeous throughout her career, yes?

Furthermore, I would like to point out the fact that there is not a single woman in the entire world who looks favorably on men bitching about the way women look. I assume none of y'all are looking to get laid by GC women, but I hope you don't use this technique offline with the women you ARE trying to pick up. I suppose that would explain some things . . .

All I have to say is this:
http://www.iownjoo.com/freeimghost/u...d%20detail.jpg

For many of us, it wasn't about the sex. That is irrelevant.

It's that he lied under oath. Saying it's about sex is avoiding the real question.

It's perjury that he was impeached for, not adultery.

I think that the posts about Monica Lewinsky's size were rude. She isn't the size of a linebacker. She isn't huge. She is probably the size of the average American woman.

I am really sick of men criticizing women for their appearance. People who are self-confident and have respect for women don't say or write superficial and cruel things like that. And it is cruel to be so judgmental.

I couldn't have said it better, PnC.

I don't you'd ever hear a woman say, "I don't find men who wear above a pant size of 34 to be attractive." Imagine if someone posted that on GC. We'd get an onslaught of posts from the GC men talking about how their body frame doesn't allow them to have a pant size less than 34. Guess what? Same with women. We're all built differently. Some women will work out everyday and have relatively low body fat but will still be a size 12 because of their height and bone structure.
It's unfair to say women who are a size 12 are not considered "normal".
Just for the record, I think Monica Lewinsky is beautiful and not at all overweight.

Listen people can't control certain things right? Honestly if a guy is a 34 and up he should really be working on losing that weight. If not, he's a fat ass, accepts it, and you can say what you want. But we all judge on looks. We all judge on things people can change and things they can't. Girls are even nastier about it - check any thread on a celebrity (ie Paris Hilton the hottest woman ever).

-Rudey

Exactly. And to be lectured on judging woman by there looks, by woman who go through through the daily rigors of applying makeup, is just one more level of hypocrisy.

There are many women out there who wear makeup because they like it. There are also many women out there who don't wear makeup. Your argument is ridiculous. The vast majority of women don't wear it to look good for men . . . they wear it to look good for themselves and feel more self-confident.

Of course people judge people by their looks. That's not in question. Nobody in this thread is saying, "You must find Monica sexually attractive, and have sex with her." They're saying, "Hey, it's kind of rude to rip on someone's looks as harshly as you have, calling her fugly when, actually, a lot of people find her cute and especially when you probably couldn't even get a date with a woman that looks like that, let alone a woman who looks better . . . that's kind of ghey, and furthermore, it's going to vastly decrease your chances of getting laid by ANY women, not just the ugly ones." (Also, especially when you've made it clear that you have no idea what a size 12 actually translates to in real life . . . James, I'm looking at you.)

The girls-ripping-on-girls culture is another issue entirely (one I don't condone, personally), competition-based, and doesn't excuse -- or relate to -- what guys say about women's looks. Unless those guys happen to be gay.

AGREED!

The argument is not ridiculous. If you don't want to be judged on looks, don't incorporate a daily capitulation to society's judgement of looks into your life.

Dieting, Working out, makeup, taking care to dress nicely, making sure snots aren't hanging out of your nose, wearing deordorant, BATHING... etc.

All are capitulations to society... why don't you stop doing all that? Why don't we all get back to our NATURAL selves. I'm sure you men would love it if the ladies stopped shaving armpits and getting bikini waxes.

I am betting there are some "capitulations" men are not willing to give up for the sake of argument.

Actually it is ridiculous. You're implying that if a woman stops wearing makeup, she will no longer be judged by her looks. That's ridiculous because she will still be judged by her looks anyway and you know it. I mean, are you telling us that you'd stop calling Monica a linebacker if she didn't wear makeup? I don't think so.

I think most of us are smart enough to figure out that whether we want to be judged on our looks or not, it's gonna happen.

I don't think anybody in this thread was debating whether or not we get judged by our looks, so I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. The argument was based on how others perceived you when you articulated -- in a less than pleasant manner -- your judgements of other people's looks.

I'm just curious -- maybe you can explain this to me, since all the other guys on this board who originally shared your opinion seem to have backed off due to cowardice or intelligence, I'm not sure which. I don't think that bashing the way a woman looks is going to score you any points with other men, because I'm sure few of them really care whether or not you'd do Monica Lewinsky. I think we've already established that it's going to minimize your chances of scoring any points with women.

Which means that either, a) y'all don't really care that saying stuff like that ruins your chances with women-- or b) y'all are so bitter about the fact that none of you are getting laid that you feel the need to take it out on women you have no chance with anyway.

I guess I'm just confused. :confused:

And really if we're debating the merits of Monica's appearance... let's look at Bill for a moment and forget he was President. He's not exactly the best looking horse in the barn.We're not saying Brad Pitt slept with Medusa here. Relatively speaking, 50 something year old Bill got him some 20 something piece of A**. ANY 20 something piece is a good one by a flawed male's logic.

When did women's use of makeup justify calling other women names? :confused:
I have a problem with people being rude, judgmental, and cruel. Calling a woman a linebacker and huge is all of those things.

I think Monica is fat. I think Monica is not pretty. I didn't say I was a supermodel. I said that about Monica. I don't ever intend on banging a single girl on Greekchat. I don't ever mind saying stuff like that to a girl in person or in front of my coworkers if it's an appropriate situation.

Oh and before you say anything, many of you have been on GC talking about how certain guys/girls are ugly, overweight, etc.

-Rudey
--Should you care, send an email to LewinskyIssues@RudeyDontCare.com

This is the most reassuring part of your post.

Reassuring of what? I thought you were off limits anyway.

-Rudey
--At least Kath made it seem that way when I asked about you...bad Kath.

Kath Kant rekall this.

Crap I look like Chaos with all her Ks.

Well, not to change the subject or anything...
But all I want to hear from Bill Clinton is to hear him STHU.
Seriously, I am just tired of him.

Well whats the point of maintaining the argument when its more of an emotional issue for some?

They stated their opinions which you and others countered. I thought you had a good post last night when you wrote about the comraderie of women when it came to weight issues.

Most of the posts were just flippant personal atacks that had no serious content to respond.

And speaking generally, if the guys came back on and posted the same viewpoint in different words over and over again, would that make their arguments more compelling?

Whats the pont? You either agreed or disagreed with them the first couple times. And I doubt anyone is changing anyone else's mind in this thread.

Somehow, I feel better, seeing that she found her voice:

Monica Lewinsky on Yahoo

and the European AP.

I hadn't realized that's she's already thirty!

Unreal. Her complaints can't be serious. She became famous because of circumstance, and has since used that circumstance to become a celebrity. Unless she does something usefull in her own right, she should really STFU and enjoy her 15 minutes.

See, you're still not understanding (or trying to understand) the immature "girl in love"'s mind. She did not WANT fame, she wanted - and was led to believe that she had - romance.

In case any of you are interested, the most recent topic on Opinion Duel is on Bill Clinton being successful. Opinion Duel is basically the smartest liberal and conservative publications debating.

-Rudey
--opinionduel.com

Ruined her life? Pul-leaze. This woman has gone from a no-one to someone who will always be a part of American History.

This whole thing has given her the opportunity to do anything she wanted- from designing handbags, to hosting TV shows, interviewing, etc.

I don't see her complaining about all the money she's gotten out of the opportunities that were created for her. If she didn't want the attention she shouldn't have purposely put herself in the spotlight so many times.

I just hate people crying "i'm a victim" but then squeezing everything they can out of it.

If he'd truly ruined her life, she would've tried to keep her privacy instead of selling herself as a commodity.

I can understand that she didn't want fame, but once she had it, she tried to build on it. Once she was hosting TV shows, in my opinion, she was no longer a victim.

If she didn't want fame then why did she whore herself out to any company that wanted her?

Interesting to note that she also got paid to do those interviews that are linked to here. Yeah, they say the interviewer declined to comment if they paid her or not, but that declining to comment = confirmation that they paid her.

Good stuff - I've got them on my list of favorites now.

and write a book about it.

38 on his chest right? It has to be. Because there is no way that you can convince me a guy can be 38 on his waist and TOO skinny.

-Rudey