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Kimmie1913 06-08-2004 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by KellyB369
I do not call anyone a white leader so I can't relate to what is being said about black leaders. I understand that you would not support someone just because they are the same race as you, but I don't understand why so many black people say there are not enough blacks in leadership roles but then the blacks who are leaders don't really seem to count because of their views. If we had a black president who was a staunch Republican and did not support the so-called black issues would your race not be glad that a black person was finally elected to such a high honor? ((emphasis added)Maybe you wouldn't be because you say that racial background doesn't matter but I think that people who just want blacks to have more leadership in this country should be happy with that regardless of their views. I HATE Hillary but if she was elected Pres I would at least think it was a positive step for women.
(This is not directed just to KellyB369)

Hear me and hear me good...this is the fundamental problem with the way minority groups are dealt with in this country. I cannot speak for my race. Colin Powell cannot speak for my race. My soror msn4med1975 cannot speak for my race. In 19 years of education and 6 years of professional work I have come to be sick to death of being asked to answer questions for all of the Back people in America. This is part of the marginilization of minorities in America. It seems ridiculous to ask any random white person to speak for all white people in the country yet it is some how acceptable to do it to a person of color. It happens in workplaces and classrooms throughout the country daily. It is an extension of the US/THEM mentality that is still so prevalent. We are viewed as a cohesive group that should all think, act and be alike. There is little room for true diversity of viewpoints within the race.

There is a profound difference between being a leader who is Black and Black leader. The latter implies you are out to lead Black people. Many of those deemed by themselves or the media to be Black leaders are not leading me and countless other Black folks anywhere. Unless all white folks are expected to unequivocally support whatever another white person does, do not expect that Black people will do it either.

Should a Black person become President, I will be pleased that the country could look past race when selecting a leader. If I do not agree with that President's ideology, THEY WILL NOT GET MY VOTE regardless of the fact that he or she is Black.

As far a Reagan is concerned- a person died and that is always sad. I am sure his family is heartbroken. At the same time he was 93 ad had a long life. Part of life is accepting that we will all be called home at some time. As far as the deifying of Reagan that is going on in the media right now, I am sick of it. He was the president like 39 before him and 3 since. I never found him to be an exceptional president, I found his policies to be steeped in classism and an underlying racism that many will not admit to. So be it. He had been out of office for over a decade. Revisionary history bothers me but it part of human nature. The thing about history is that the one telling the story gets to determine what the truth will be. How his era is taught going forward will be interesting.

AKA2D '91 06-08-2004 02:41 PM

Re: Re: IT'S OKAY!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
What are you talking about?? Why don't we discuss Reagan's family relations in comparison to say...family relations within the black community? Is that an appropriate benchmark?

-Rudey

IT'S OKAY! :D

ETA: I'd like to know what are YOUR family relations like in the Black Community? Or better than that what are family relations like in the black community? :confused: hmmmmmmm (picking up my notebook to take notes so I'll know when I start my family)
:confused:

Was your family relations like mine? Was my family relations like my Soror Ideal's? my frat brother Professor? My sister in greekdom CT4? :confused: (Sorry for bringing your names into this)... LMAO

CAN THE BAN PROCESS BEGIN? I'M OFFENDED. SOMEONE THOUGHT MY IDEOLOGY DID NOT MAKE ANY SENSE! WHERE IS THE JUSTICE! NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!

LMAO up in here...up in here!
ETAA: I'm headed back across the RailRoad Tracks. There is too much comedy on this side. :D

Taualumna 06-08-2004 02:45 PM

What exactly is a "black cause" (or a "female cause", "minority cause" etc?) By saying that Condi and Powell don't represent "black causes", you're implying that all blacks live the same way and have the exact same "causes", and we all know that this isn't the case. Yes, there are some common causes, but there are also differences. It's like my pro-life example. There are women out there who are pro-life, and they shouldn't be condemned because they are. There are Asians and Hispanics out there who feel that learning English (or in the case of French Canada, French) is more important than emphasizing their homeland's language (it's all about getting out into the broader community. Not knowing English well will hurt one's chances of succeeding outside of the community. You need to know English to succeed in school, especially if you want to be a doctor or lawyer.). I don't think it's very nice to call people like Condi and Powell sell outs because they can be good rolemodels for all, not just blacks.

Kevin 06-08-2004 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by msn4med1975
There is no cause that ALL Blacks need supported. However there are a few: better educational opportunities in public schools, funding for higher education, making sure predominantly minority areas are not overrun by drugs and violence which are more salient for most minorities. The current administration's policies are not making any strides in those areas so if you are in the CURRENT administration you are not supporting those causes.
The Secretary of State and the Chief advisor on foriegn relations are supposed to do anything about this stuff? I haven't heard them come out against these things....

What would one of them have to do to support these causes? And would they be listened to? I get a very strong impression that they would be considered sellouts solely because of their affiliation with the wrong party.

Rudey 06-08-2004 03:08 PM

Re: Re: Re: IT'S OKAY!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
IT'S OKAY! :D

ETA: I'd like to know what are YOUR family relations like in the Black Community? Or better than that what are family relations like in the black community? :confused: hmmmmmmm (picking up my notebook to take notes so I'll know when I start my family)
:confused:

Was your family relations like mine? Was my family relations like my Soror Ideal's? my frat brother Professor? My sister in greekdom CT4? :confused: (Sorry for bringing your names into this)... LMAO

CAN THE BAN PROCESS BEGIN? I'M OFFENDED. SOMEONE THOUGHT MY IDEOLOGY DID NOT MAKE ANY SENSE! WHERE IS THE JUSTICE! NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!

LMAO up in here...up in here!
ETAA: I'm headed back across the RailRoad Tracks. There is too much comedy on this side. :D

You're the one that knows so much about family relations so I figured you would know. Ronald never left Nancy to make another single mother household though.

-Rudey
--Seriously lady, what drug do you take because you are weirding me out.

madmax 06-08-2004 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
What are black causes?

You seem to imply that these folks don't support black causes and I was just wondering which causes all black people supported or needed?

welfare

moe.ron 06-08-2004 03:09 PM

Keep on the topic people. Final warning.

The Viceroy Has Spoken.

AKA2D '91 06-08-2004 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by madmax
welfare
There are more NON-AA on welfare than AA.... simply because there are MORE NON-AA in this country.

LMAO.

ETA: NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE! WHERE IS MY BAN? I WAS "PERSONALLY ATTACKED" ON THIS FORUM! :confused: :D LMAO

Rudey 06-08-2004 03:16 PM

I hear BET is helping out the black community by showcasing videos of rappers that are pretty much porn, is this true?

-Rudey

AKA2D '91 06-08-2004 03:17 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: IT'S OKAY!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
You're the one that knows so much about family relations so I figured you would know. Ronald never left Nancy to make another single mother household though.

-Rudey
--Seriously lady, what drug do you take because you are weirding me out.

ATTACKS! PERSONAL ATTACKS! JOHN! WHERE ARE YOU?

I'M BEING ATTACKED PERSONALLY! I AM ONCE AGAIN OFFENDED! WHERE IS THE BAN? WHERE IS THE BAN?

NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!

IT'S OKAY! STEREOTYPES ARE OKAYYYYYYYYY!

eta:
I guess you forgot that MASSA left his darling deary and came into the slave quarters after hours, huh? Talk about family relations, huh? I guess it was a trait passed down the generations.... ASK GOOD OLD THOMAS JEFFERSON!

AGAIN! IT'S OKAY! HE LIKED THE BLACK (fill in the blank)! It was him! IT'S OKAY, though! :D
LMAO! :D


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