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ms_gwyn 06-07-2004 03:00 AM

I actually want to see it again, I enjoyed it.

A few things...Sir Cadgon (sp?) is in the movie...just in the background during the Fat Lady attack scene.

Flickwick is also in the movie (or at least I assuming its him, since its the same actor), he's directing the choir and in a few background scenes....looks completely different.

AOII*Azra-elle 06-07-2004 04:06 AM

AOII_LB~ Nope, I liked the movie too...I'm waiting for #5 :) So far it's my favorite book, hopefully the movie will be just as good!

I'm going to see it again too...my mom wants to see it so I told her I would go with her.

mu_agd 06-07-2004 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by AOII_LB93
Man, I feel like I am the only person on the site who loved the movie. I have read all the books and enjoyed them, but books and movies have never been hand in hand(there were divergences in the first two films as well) and there is only so much they can fit in to the film. Maybe I just have a different take because I thought that the third book was so much different than the first two...much like the movies.

I was entertained for my 9.50. I would go again. I guess I just look at it as more of a wanting to be entertained and enjoying what was presented.

Something to remember I think...when we read a book, it can be whatever we want it to be on the movie screen in our minds, maybe that is why so many are disappointed...because they saw their representation much differently than Cuaron saw his.

i completely agree with all of this. it was definitely worth the $12.95 we paid a ticket to see it at the imax. (even htough my dad is still upset i wouldn't let him sell the tickets to the guy who offered him $50 for each!)

one thing my mom said when i was talking to her is that they took a 500-600 page book and made it a two hour movie, they have to leave a lot out just b/c of time constraints. maybe if they would have made it three hours they could have included a lot more. i agree that they left a lot out, but i still loved the movie!

SSS1365 06-07-2004 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by ms_gwyn


A few things...Sir Cadgon (sp?) is in the movie...just in the background during the Fat Lady attack scene.


I know... I saw him. But he didn't have any lines, and he was on the screen for a split second.

DWAlphaGam 06-07-2004 09:39 AM

SoCalGirl, I noticed the thing with Harry's hair, too. I thought it was a nice detail that they got it right, finally.


Overall, it was an ok movie. I agree with everyone about the omissions—many of those things are CRUCIAL to the other books, so the next movies are going to have to go back and explain things that should have been covered in this one. They should have taken an extra few minutes and told the MWPP story, at the very least. People who didn't read the books were probably wondering how the hell Lupin knew that the blank parchment was a map, and why Harry's Patronus was a moose/deer thing (they didn't even explain that the Patronus takes the form of an animal), and why Snape hated Lupin and Sirius so much. Also, I didn't like the fact that the movie shoved the Ron/Hermione relationship down the viewers' throats. That should have been much more subtle.


The parts of the movie that I LOVED were the scenes with Harry and Lupin. They were beautifully done, and very touching. The guy who played Lupin did a wonderful job. Also, the special effects people did a fantastic job with Buckbeak and the dementors. It felt like they were real.


GoF has a different director, so maybe that director will stay truer to the books. Although, with them making only one movie, I don't see how that can happen. My friend said he heard a rumor that they're cutting out the quidditch world cup and starting GoF with Harry at Hogwarts. That would be awful.

Lady Pi Phi 06-07-2004 10:06 AM

I finally was able to read this thread. I saw the movie on sunday. And I thank god that I created this thread or I might have been a little disappointed if I had read this before the movie.

OVERALL I really enjoyed this movie. The art direction and special effects were great.

As some who has read the book twice I really disappointed about how much he left out. So many things that are critical to the story like the relationship between Sirius and Harry towards the end, Quidditch, Cedric, Crookshanks and Scabbers, The Mauader's Map, well you know. I feel the direct just gave the jist of the story and this was really to benefit those who hadn't read the book.
I went with my mum to see the movie and she's seen the first 2 movies but hasn't read any of the books. She wasn't confused at all. She followed along with the story nicely, but was disappointed to find out the Harry wouldn't be living with Sirius at the end. I was angry that we didn't see Sirius give Harry permission to visit Hogsmede next year and to see Harry threaten the Dursley's.
The choppiness didn't bother me.
I like the adrker feel that this movie had has the book was much darker. However I don't feel that he should direct the 4th book. I don't know if it was the writers that chose to leave so much out or the director but I think he left too much out, especially things that I thought were crucial to the story.
I'm curious to know what Ms. Rowling thought of the film. Does anyone know what she has said about it or where I can read her comments?
Also, I read somewhere that they were think of doing The Goblet of Fire in 2 movies but had decided against it. I can't remember if I read that on imdb.com or The Leaky Cauldron. At first I thought it could be done in 1 movie but if you have Curaon (is that how you pell his name?) directing GoF I really think it should be done in 2 movies so he doesn't leave too much out.

Again, well worth the $13.50. Well actually it was free thanks to my mum's premier movie pass. Movies for 2 for a year. FREE! (Thanksyou Coca-Cola...I forgive you about the stupid vending machine).

SilverTurtle 06-07-2004 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by polarpi



Also, did anyone else reconize a scene where Harry's scar was on the wrong side? (The only reason why I saw it (from what I remember from the movie, it's right when Harry's about to face the boggart in the DAtDA classroom with the rest of his schoolmates) was that the review I read mentioned it :p)

I noticed this, too, but then I thought maybe I imagined it, since the rest of the movie it was on the "same" side! I guess I didn't imagine it... but it does seem like kind of an obvious mistake for the makeup people to make.

Everyone mentions how choppy this feels... I thought the second movie was much worse in that aspect.

I loved how they did the dementors (better than I expected).

I also loved the "new" Hogwarts uniforms... I wish they wouldn't have left the kids in Muggle clothes for 3/4ths of the film. It didn't feel as much like the alternate world I think of the wizarding world being, and i think that was part of it.

I also think it's interesting that every fan always says there's not enough Quidditch, and each movie seems to cut more and more Quidditch out. Makes you wonder how they're handling GoF.

Lady Pi Phi 06-07-2004 11:00 AM

If they cut out the Quidditch World Cup in the fourth movie there will be a lot of POed Harry Potter fans. I think it crucial that we see the Quidditch World Cup. How would the have the Dark Mark scene without it?

DWAlphaGam 06-07-2004 11:05 AM

Information about GoF Film
 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/

Goblet of Fire will not be directed by Alfonso Curon. It will be directed by Mike Newell, who did Four Weddings and a Funeral, Mona Lisa Smile, and Donnie Brasco, among others.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MT...es/004739.html

According to The Leaky Cauldron, GoF will be one movie, not two as originally planned.

Lady Pi Phi 06-07-2004 11:19 AM

Re: Information about GoF Film
 
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Originally posted by DWAlphaGam
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/

Goblet of Fire will not be directed by Alfonso Curon. It will be directed by Mike Newell, who did Four Weddings and a Funeral, Mona Lisa Smile, and Donnie Brasco, among others.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MT...es/004739.html

According to The Leaky Cauldron, GoF will be one movie, not two as originally planned.

Thanks for the links.
I'm glad there will be a new director but having Curon suggest GoF be one movie instead of two makes me wonder how much they are going to leave out.

chideltjen 06-07-2004 11:20 AM

Did anyone catch this?

When Nelville and everyone else were inside Honeydukes, Nelville's lollypop floated away from him and went outside the store, but never actually went anywhere? What was the point of that? :confused:

I will have to re-read the GOF. And I agree, they can't cut out the World Cup cuz that's when the Dark mark is summond. However I was reading temporary cast listings on Yahoo and there are parts cast for the gardner and for other parts in the first chapter.

I really want to see what they do with the Yule Ball... if they include it.

Lady Pi Phi 06-07-2004 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by chideltjen
Did anyone catch this?

When Nelville and everyone else were inside Honeydukes, Nelville's lollypop floated away from him and went outside the store, but never actually went anywhere? What was the point of that? :confused: ...

Yeah I noticed that too, but didn't really pay attention to it. I just figured that he'd had enough and threw it away. But it was rather pointless. I guess he had it there for comic relief and well it just wasn't that funny.

DWAlphaGam 06-07-2004 12:46 PM

I thought the lollipop was stuck to Harry in the invisibility cloak so that it was easier to follow him...

SSS1365 06-07-2004 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by DWAlphaGam
I thought the lollipop was stuck to Harry in the invisibility cloak so that it was easier to follow him...
That's a good theory. And probably also for a cheap laugh.

lindsay_iu 06-07-2004 01:14 PM

They have to use the World Cup in GoF! Not only does it introduce the Dark Mark but portkeys as well, very essential to the last part of the movie.

J.K. Rowling has her own site at www.jkrowling.com She's posted what she thought of the movie and other various tidbits.

As far as PoA goes, I was disappointed that the names on the map weren't explained. Although I really like the new castle, I didn't like that they changed the location of the Gryffindor entrance and the Fat Lady, although Dawn French did a good job. The special effects in this movie were so much better than the ones in the previous movies.

Lady Pi Phi 06-07-2004 01:22 PM

Well, J.K appears to have loved the movie. Which I think is great!
I still don't like the fact that they left a ton of stuff out, but it was still a good movie.

carnation 06-07-2004 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by chideltjen
Did anyone catch this?

When Nelville and everyone else were inside Honeydukes, Nelville's lollypop floated away from him and went outside the store, but never actually went anywhere? What was the point of that? :confused:


I just assumed that Harry ganked it when he walked by.

Ginger 06-07-2004 02:57 PM

Pretty much anything I'd say has already been mentioned on this thread!

I enjoyed it (it's Harry Potter! How could I not?!), but I liked the first two better. I really had a difficult time with the change in the surroundings at Hogwarts... it just didn't feel like the same school to me.


I know they had to cut a lot to make it a viable movie, but I for one would be glad to sit through a 5 hour movie to see the entire book put to screen in detail!

chideltjen 06-07-2004 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by carnation
I just assumed that Harry ganked it when he walked by.
Ok... I get it now. It all makes sense.

As for the scenery changes, I liked them. Of course I don't think I watched the first and second movies enough (or recently enough) to really compare the differences. Since I am sick... maybe it's time for a marathon. :D

AOII*Azra-elle 06-07-2004 04:12 PM

I'm going to have to go back and read book 4, but doesn't Cho's boyfriend die in the end? You know they will have to play up all that leads to that though....b/c that leads into book 5.

Lady Pi Phi 06-07-2004 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by AOII*Azra-elle
I'm going to have to go back and read book 4, but doesn't Cho's boyfriend die in the end? You know they will have to play up all that leads to that though....b/c that leads into book 5.
Yes, Cedric Diggory does die in book 4. During the Triwaizard Tournament.

chideltjen 06-07-2004 04:55 PM

I am sure Cedric will get proper honors in the 4th movie. He has to. He's technically the true Triwizard rep for Hogwarts (Harry was a fluke from "Mad Eye" Moody.)

It will be nice (hopefully) to see other houses involved in the movies, rather than the Gryffindor/Slytherin show...

SSS1365 06-07-2004 09:23 PM

I think Cedric should have been introduced to us in the 3rd movie. That way, when he dies in the 4th, those who haven't read the books would feel it more. I know he didn't play a huge role in book 3, but still... The part during the quidditch match when the dementors come and Harry falls off his broom, and it is said later that the other team won because Cedric caught the Snitch before he realized what had happened and how he tried to get them to replay it... well that says a lot about his character. But if I remember correctly, he does have his noble moments in book 4, so perhaps non-readers will still get to know him as a nice guy.

abaici 06-07-2004 09:57 PM

I LOVED THE MOVIE! The pacing was better. I loved how the director got to the heart of the story. Columbus is too literal in his interpretation of the books. With the exception of excluding the origin of the Marauder's Map, I was very pleased!!

aephi alum 06-07-2004 11:19 PM

Like many of you, I liked the movie, but felt that too much was left out - especially the explanation of Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs.

I did appreciate some of the little scenes and details that I'm fairly certain weren't in the book - Draco's nasty little cartoon of Harry, Hermione punching Draco :D, the lollipop "floating" through Hogsmeade, etc. As Harry is running away from the Dursleys' at the start of the movie, note that Aunt Marge can be seen floating around in the background and screaming. :D

I'm going to be very interested to see what they do with GoF.

ETA: Someone really ought to clue Harry in that an Invisibility Cloak isn't much good if you're walking around outside when there's snow on the ground. :p

ms_gwyn 06-08-2004 12:18 AM

re: Cedric


yea the only thing that we got in PoA of Cedric was his arm :rolleyes:

If they do, do the portkey scene at the world cup in GoF that's where they will explain it.

I did like how they used the whomping willow scenes for seasonal changes....that was kinda cool

TigerLilly 06-08-2004 03:19 AM

You people who say that Cedric's arm was in the movie -- how do you know it was Cedric specifically? Where is it in the movie? I didn't notice.

Going to see the movie again tonight! :D

SSS1365 06-08-2004 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by aephi alum


I did appreciate some of the little scenes and details that I'm fairly certain weren't in the book - Draco's nasty little cartoon of Harry, Hermione punching Draco :D, the lollipop "floating" through Hogsmeade, etc.

Hermione did punch Malfoy in the book :D

Lady Pi Phi 06-08-2004 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by SSS1365
Hermione did punch Malfoy in the book :D
Actually I believed she slapped him in the book. In the movie she decked him (which I thought was better...I was like YOU GO GIRL!)

polarpi 06-08-2004 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by TigerLilly
You people who say that Cedric's arm was in the movie -- how do you know it was Cedric specifically? Where is it in the movie? I didn't notice.

Going to see the movie again tonight! :D

I think we"re maybe *guessing* it's supposed to be Cedric based upon him being the Seeker for Hufflepuff's Quidditch team, and you see Harry and the Hufflepuff seeker going after the Snitch, and then the Hufflepuff seeker kind of disappears while Harry goes farther and farther after the snitch which means he gets closer and closer to the Dementors. Did all that make any sense? :D :p

TigerLilly 06-08-2004 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by polarpi
I think we"re maybe *guessing* it's supposed to be Cedric based upon him being the Seeker for Hufflepuff's Quidditch team, and you see Harry and the Hufflepuff seeker going after the Snitch, and then the Hufflepuff seeker kind of disappears while Harry goes farther and farther after the snitch which means he gets closer and closer to the Dementors. Did all that make any sense? :D :p
Oh. Duh. Now I feel dumb. :p

polarpi 06-08-2004 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by TigerLilly
Oh. Duh. Now I feel dumb. :p
Don't feel dumb....I don't think I made the connection while I was watching the movie, just when I came back and rethought about the movie and the book. :)

chideltjen 06-08-2004 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by polarpi
I think we"re maybe *guessing* it's supposed to be Cedric based upon him being the Seeker for Hufflepuff's Quidditch team, and you see Harry and the Hufflepuff seeker going after the Snitch, and then the Hufflepuff seeker kind of disappears while Harry goes farther and farther after the snitch which means he gets closer and closer to the Dementors. Did all that make any sense? :D :p
Unfortunately, if you didn't read the book, this scene/explanation probably wouldn't make much sense. (I wonder if my friend got confused...)

Even though they didn't mention it *was* Cedric, I just sort of assumed. Maybe that was the intention.

Lady Pi Phi 06-08-2004 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by chideltjen
Unfortunately, if you didn't read the book, this scene/explanation probably wouldn't make much sense. (I wonder if my friend got confused...)

Even though they didn't mention it *was* Cedric, I just sort of assumed. Maybe that was the intention.

I think for those that have read the book we all assume that it was Cedric, for that that didn't I think it's just another person. This movie didn't have Cedric in it, however, I think they need to go further in depth in GoF because he's an important character and I think those who haven't read the book are going to need the background info on him.

MysticCat 06-11-2004 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by aephi alum
Like many of you, I liked the movie, but felt that too much was left out - especially the explanation of Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs.
co-sign. It only would have take an extra minute for Lupin to explain that.


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