No, not always. They do trigger mania in some people, but others, they help. I take Wellbutrin, and it actually helps both the depressive AND manic sides for me, but others it makes the manic worse.

By the way, about your other post to me, I wasn't attacking your original post per se (in the dating forum). I said that comments SAID in the forum were getting to me because I was off my meds and being hypersensitive because I couldn't help it. I wasn't the only one offended by your thread. And for someone who wants to advocate sensitivity, I like how you only want sensitivity for issues that affect YOU. I don't appreciate you posting in this thread in the first place. I was already depressed, and I didn't need your 2 cents.

To everyone else! (Since so many of you posted, I can't reply individually),

THANK YOU SO MUCH. It helps to know people care and understand. :) I'm sorry I was slow to reply; I was out of town for 2 days. I went camping with 4 SAI sisters and it helped me a lot! Before I left I got 2 weeks worth of samples, so I'm doing OK now. I called the prescription place, and they claimed they never got my refill order! :mad: I was NOT happy. They said it was shipped out that day (Thursday), so I should have it very soon.

Also, no, I can't get it from a pharmacy (I think ChiDeltJen asked), because on my insurance, maintenence meds must be mail ordered directly or I don't get the discounted price.

But, I'm feeling back to normal now. I do appreciate so much everyone's kind words! You guys are great. :)

I'm sorry to hear you've had to struggle without your meds. Hope they come through soon. Take care. :)

Dionysus,
Are you a doctor or pharmacist? Then you don't know about the drugs she's on or the condition she has.

Anyway, glad you learned something about how much quitting cold turkey does affect your body.

Also, it's called "chit-chat" meaning you can make threads about ANYTHING you want to, even if there was another similiar thread. She's just reaching out for some support, but instead, your sensitive self decided to come in and twist the knife a little bit. Maybe you should take sensitivity classes about dumb-ass comments.

I thought it was well known that anti-depressants can induce mania in bipolar patients, not esoteric information shared by doctors and pharmacists.

Again, people are missing my point. I didn't mind sairose asking for support because she was feeling down because of missed medication, I did mind her reference to my thread TWICE, the other one even had a link. Yes, people can talk about anything they want in chit chat, but should not be surprised when others don't act too kindly when guilt trips are being placed. It appeared that she was trying to blame me and others who disagreed w/ her in that thread, and make us look bad. If that wasn't the case she wouldn't made the reference in these two threads. ugh......

Thanks for understanding! :) And yes, for someone so hyped up about sensitivity, she doesn't seem to have much of it, does she?

All she did was mention that thread and how it kinda made her feel down! She wasn't trying to make you look bad, you do a pretty good job of that on your own.

I have bipolar, but I tend to swing more to the depression side. So my doctors have given me anti-depressants to combat that, along with other mood stabilizers.

*applauds*

Dionysus, he hit it right on the nail. I said NOTHING about you in my original post. I said the THREAD depressed me; and it only depressed me because I wasn't on meds and was quite overly-sensitive to a lot of things. There's a neat little feature called the ignore button. If you don't like what I have to say about insensitive things you post, then I suggest you learn how to use it.

You obviously have more problems about what I post than the other way around...why didn't YOU use the ignore feature on me?

1. Having depression or any other kind of illness does not give you the right to act like the people you're criticizing.
2. If everything here is bothering you so much, you may want to take your own advice. You stated that you knew you would be oversensitive to things...so after posting this thread to "make yourself feel better", why even read the other ones?? Isn't that kind of aggravating your condition?

"Completely depressed"? I think this thread is completely ghey.

I love you man. :D

^^ basically.

Lithium used to treat most bipolar disorders can cause congenital heart defects in the fetus... It also raises blood pressure in some people. In fact is can cause excessive weight gain if not taken appropriately--such as 2-3 hours after eating. And taking too much can cause seizures. NEVER EVER drink alcohol or use illicit drugs when taking this medication...

Wellbutrin (buproprion)and all its derivatives (Zoloft) can cause tardive dyskinesia, seizures and can cause adverse reactions if combined with other drugs, namely phenathiazines (comprazine). It is more pronounced is overdosed--especially the seizures. It is NEVER prescribed to people who have eating disorders simply because it causes appetite suppression.

Prozac (fluextine) can cause mania is some people and can exacerbate some of the symptoms in biopolar disorders. But the research is unclear. It is thought to suppress some action of the cytomegalovirus thought to cause cancers in some people.

Elavil can help as antidepressants however they have nullifying effects on most patients by dulling the senses.

Paxil and Lexapro don't work for ALL depressed patients and maybe not for clients with mania symptoms.

Lamictal can cause skin rashes if the dosages are too high or people are unable to tolerate it. It also has been shown to dull the senses...

Either way, it takes most people to respond to these drugs within 2 weeks since the site of action for depression and biopolar disorder still remains unclear... Meaning, is it something wrong with the brain's physiology and genetics? Or is it something wrong with hormones? Or is it all external? All of this is currently being investigated aggressively simply because there is a lot of money attached... Then, for folks that are currently being treated, if the meds are stopped, it can hurt; or the meds actions can wane; or it does not do anything at all... Who knows?

The BEST treatment that research has clearly shown as an antidepressant has been "tryptophan"--an amino acid that we produce in our bodies. However, 2 weeks before Prozac came out on the market in 1989, tryptophan was found to cause a rare blood disorder.

The 5-hydroxy tryptophan (5HTP) has not been clearly shown to be as effective as "straight tryptophan"... In fact, tryptophan has the same site of action as Prozac as a serotonin release re-uptake inhibitor... And tryptophan works better... The most abundant source of tryptophan outside of amino acid supplements is milk and turkey... But the rare eosinophilia... I dunno...

And I have read the blood disorder paper and it is full of it... The researchers were funded by Eli Lilly... Talk about "craftiness"... Most MD's are unaware of this kind of research so it takes someone who is extremely astute and very well trained as a research physician to know these kinds of things...

It is only because I work in pharmacogenetics that I can make arguements with physicians and about my treatment options. I do not suggest anyone else to do what I do...

1. Notice that the only person I critisized was the person who came in here to insult me. Everyone's thoughts were appreciated.

2. I ONLY POSTED THIS THREAD TO VENT. That is all. I called all of my friends and sisters, and since no one was home for me to talk to, I posted this to get some things off my chest, possibly get a little consolation and advice, which I got and it helped. I had already read the other thread, and it was partly what aggrevated my episode. I also didn't say everything here bothered me...I stated that one thread kinda upset me. I didn't even name any names or anything, I just posted that to get it off my chest.

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"Completely depressed"? I think this thread is completely ghey.

And I think you have no heart. But, oh well, we're all entitled to our opinions, aren't we?

If someone with an illness posted on here to say, "I feel completely sick" to vent and get a little advice or whatnot, would go call that gay? Something to think about.

I'm glad others are nice enough not to think me going through medicine withdrawal and being depressed was "ghey".

Look, I wasn't trying to start anything personal here. Sure, you're entitled to your own opinion, but if you think I have no heart because of something like that, I'd be afraid to see how you react to people in the 'real world'. I'm also not too concerned, because YOU ARE A STRANGER, ON THE INTERNET. **This is something you may want to work on.** You know, you can come on GC for whatever reason you please, whether it's to vent, get sympathy, joke around, or make people feel bad for you. There's a myriad of reasons and I've seen all of them. But look back a page or two...all I'm saying is that if you really were this person who's the opposite of what you dislike in others (being insensitive or critical or whatnot), you wouldn't have kept up the snarky comments in Dionysus's direction when others began posting negative stuff towards her.
Why can't you just be above that? Maybe she should have been above that, too. But don't act like you just came here to vent and get some stuff off your chest....because that might have been how it started, but you were all too happy to let the thread turn into something else. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine, people masking insults or using backhanded comments to mask what they're really trying to say.
So excuse me for not being clearer...you going through no meds/withdrawal/whatever= not ghey. The original thread= not ghey . What it turned into was. And I'm sticking with that. I think I'm done here...after you got the "Are you ok??? Cheer up!!" 's, this thread should have been done.

I didn't know what what was wrong, but am glad you are better.

I can understand what you are saying about Dionysus. But...are you saying it was okay for her to jump on in here and insult me for no reason? I came on here but I was I was reeeeeally feeling crappy, and I only wanted a few kinds words or words of advice. I think it was very unkind of her to do what she did. I did not begin jumping on her AFTER others did....believe me, I had PMd her before that, but she didn't reply, so I told her again on here. I have the right to do that. She has said many insulting things to me and others on GC, and I don't understand why you're trying to make her sound like she ddin't do anything.

And you don't get to judge when the thread should have been done. Sorry. If you noticed, the others who posted where checking up to see if I had got my medicine in yet, and it was a DISCUSSION. One that did not--and should not have--involved people who had negative things to say.

Like I said, though, we're all entitled to our own opinions. But don't tell me what I need to work on; if you think it's just the internet, then you don't know me, so don't act like you did.

My 2 cents.

Have you received your medicine yet?

Yes, finally! :) I am feeling MUCH MUCH better now!!

Oh great! I was kind of concerned.