She was there with him WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

RUN JESSE!!~!

It's not that I don't believe in "leaders", I just don't believe in role models. I think it's because my mother was constantly telling me that I can only depend on Monique, other people will only disappoint you. So for that reason, I never truly looked up to anyone. As far as why I went to college, it seriously wasn't an option for me. I knew I was going to college in 5th grade. I went to college to have a better life than my parents had and to be able to provide a better life for my children. And as far as having a "certain life," I could have said growing up that I wanted certain "things" that someone else may have had. But never, "I want to have a life like his/hers." It's not that I don't think that people can "lead" you in a certain direction, I do, I call that guidance. But I don't emulate people. I can understand someone saying, "I want to be as good a nurse as Mary," or, "I want to play basketball as well as Michael Jordan." What I don't understand is when people say, "I want to be like Mary when I grow up," or "I wanna be like Mike." I don't want to be like anyone. When people look at role models, for lack of a better term, I think that they should focus on the attributes of that person instead of the person themselves. I'm trying to explain this as best I can, but I don't think I'm doing a very good job at it! Sorry!! I think it's fine to have people in our communities that offer guidance and leadership (parents, teachers, aunts, uncles, etc.) and instill good solid morals and values into our children. It is by those standards that we "should" live by. Instead, we live by what people do. I also understand that you should lead by example. But if we stop believing in people, and believe in our morals and values, things like what happened with Jesse would have us so disappointed. We should never be so disappointed in human beings. Our children should be able to say, "Adultery is wrong," not, "Oh no, Jesse committed adultery, I don't know what to believe now." That's what happens. You look up to someone for so many years. Then something foul happens, and you're stuck, mentally exhausted, trying to figure out what went wrong, how could this have happend, so disappointed, and confused on what to believe. When you look up to your role models, you tend to emulate them and their actions. That is where the problem lies. We shouldn't be emulating ANYONE. We shouldn't want to be like anyone but CHRIST.

Ok, I think I came up with a better word. Mentor. I can hang with mentor. Someone to show you the ropes and guide you through. You don't necessarily have to look up to that person, but you can appreciate their wisdom and their experiences, and learn from them. You don't have to want to be like them or look up to them or emulate them. That way if they slip, you can walk away with what you learned and leave the disappointment behind!

Did that help explain it? Sorry this was so long, but yall know I'm long-winded! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

I couldn't agree more. No one's perfect, but there is something called honesty and integrity. He not only made sacred vows to God to "forsake all others", I'm sure he also made vows to God upon accepting his call to the ministry. Besides, if he was that unhappy in his marriage, then you leave before it gets to this point. No one can ever be too angry with someone who tells the truth from the beginning and before too much damage is done.

He took her to the White House but with several other staffers of the Rainbow Coalition, right? I saw the picture and I thought at first he took JUST her and introduced her as his baby mama. But apparently it was business and it was like 6 people. Old girl was all gushy inside because she was preggers with Jesse's baby, etc.

She is a scholar who taught at GA University. Wrote a book on Jesse for publication and wrote her doctoral dissertation on him.

Mrs. Jackson was pissed and went to tell the girl off.

All I can say is "I'm sorry Ms. Jackson (OOH!) I am for real!"

ROFLM (behind) O!!!

NO, I am confused about the rest of your post... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

Soror, I know you didn't say leaders. I was saying that I believe in having leaders, but I just think that there's a difference between leaders and role models. Let's take out the label's shall we? Maybe that will eliminate the confusion. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

I don't look up to people. I don't want to be like anyone. That's about as simple as I can make it. I've thought about this today, and I think it's more personal than anything. I think it may be a way of protecting myself from disappointment.

Soror, I don't really know what else to say to explain this, besides what I've already said. Let me think about it some more, and maybe I can think of another way to put it.

I'll be back to this one......

IDEAL08- If you are not a role model, what is your community service for? I am a role model and I carry myself as such. I have a responsibility to young, black males and females. I want young men to emulate me. Many people never see positive reflections of themselves. It is a tough burden to bear sometimes, but if not we, then who?


As the only Omega who posts here, let me state that I am EXTREMELY disappointed in my Frat Brother. Although Jesse is just a man, we don't expect GREAT men to make the mistakes of lesser souls. As I have gotten older, I have agreed with Jesse less and less and sometimes I wish that he would be more selective in picking and choosing his fights, but he is still my man. I have personal knowledge of Jesse and he was one of my inspirations in seeking Omega. I met him during both of his campaigns and was a student coordinator. My chapter acted as his escort and bodyguards when he came to our campus to campaign and speak. He regaled us with tales of his undergraduate days and his love of our Fraternity. I met him again in 1997, ironically, with this woman whom he has the child with. He was working on his Wall Street Project. Again, I along with two other Omegas spent time with him in his hospitality suite with Al Sharpton. Jesse was relaxed, throwin' up the hooks, barking, just being real. Him and Al were cracking jokes on each other. This hurts because it hurts our community. Like it or not, Jesse got things done. The power structure may not have feared him, but they respected him and did not want to get on his bad side. Corporate America always feared his economic boycotts and ability to shame them. Now he has compromised that moral authority. His individual poor judgement has effected us collectively. I won't judge his behavior because I know his marriage has been one of convenience for the longest time. His wife knows he's been tipping and his family has known of the child before it was born. It was not a shock to them. I am just sad for what it means for all of us who will be losing his powerful advocacy in the face of the Bushes, Ashcrofts, Connerly's, and biased corporations of these United States. Sorry for the speech.

I feel you DGStyle. While we are all human and make mistakes, I have to believe that all of us who are in Greek organizations are role models.

Are we not suppose to be the best and the brightest? I can only speak for myself but when I came into the frat it was drilled into my head that you no longer represent yourself.

You represent Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, your chapter and over 100,000 other men across this world. It's a heavy burden, but if it was one that you really didn't want to carry, then you shouldn't have undertaken membership.

One of the things that I always try to do, especially when I am out in public with my letters on, is to conduct myself in a manner that would not bring shame to my founders or those brothers who spent long hours and continue to this day to teach me what it means to be a man of Kappa.

Now am I perfect, heck no, far from it. But I try to live my life in a way that wouldn't bring shame to my family or my frat. I believe that is something that should be drilled into people who seek entrance into our organizations. I painstakinly stress it to the neos that come through my chapter.

I will pray for Jesse's family and that little girl who didn't ask to be a part of the messed up situation.

Peace and Luv

MN

[This message has been edited by ManndingoNUPE (edited January 20, 2001).]

Actually I think we really needed to hear/see this!!! I agree and think about other fellen or fallen leaders Black and white ... most were almost at their best, and the opposing side did not like it ... look at Clinton!!

I responded to this a couple of times; and since then, I remembered something esle. For those of you that condemn Brotha Jackson, keep in mind that 1) he's only human, 2)see my other point, 3)many so-called reverends have these kinds of secrets: some reverends have far worse, and many of these reverends MOST OF YOU respect! and finally, look at the Catholic church and the struggles they have with their priests. I'd say Brotha Jackson still don't look TOO bad.

In Charlotte, we recieve WGN (Chicago) news by cable. One African American organization's member was asking why was this coming out now, (the child is almost 2 & the woman has been recieving $3,000/mo in child support)when Jesse has all of these boycotts and political things planned. The reporter then said "he stated that they were attempting to smear Jesse's name, but admitted that he didn't know who they were."

Why is it that when the obvious is right in front of America's face is there always an attempt to make us seem as if we're paranoid?

UPDATE

Ole girlie is sueing Jesse for more child support....increase from 3,000/mo. to 4,000/mo.

Formalized visitation, because he has NOT seen the child SINCE January and the child turns 2 in May....

AND

a LIFE insurance policy that Jesse must take out in the child's name....

Jesse claims, according to the WGN news that he is NOT trying to get out of supporting the child, but he feels that the 3,000/mo is sufficient in taking care of her.

Also, the report says that since the mother is sueing in California, there are certain steps which determines (including how much time the father SPENDS with the child) how much a father pays in support. http://www.plauder-smilies.de/smhair2.gif

It has been estimated that Jackson makes 400,000/year.

Go figure! She probably knew what she was doing when she wanted to move to Cali-for-ni-a.... http://www.plauder-smilies.de/sad/confusedpp.gif

OH WELL!
YA PLAY! YA PAY! (I guess) http://www.plauder-smilies.de/sad/nixweiss.gif


[This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited April 29, 2001).]

Hello, what did she reallllly expect? http://www.plauder-smilies.de/eek7.gif That (as soap opera music plays) he would just embrace her and the baby lovingly as his new family and that they would bask in the glow of his love forever? UNBELIEVEABLE. To bring back up one of our popular words, RIDURNDICULOUS.

http://www.plauder-smilies.de/screams.gif

I'm in no way saying that Jesse is right for not seeing the child, because now, out of the two of their ignorance, there is this child that has to deal with this mess. But, she knew that he was married (and I'm not letting him off the hook, I attacked him when this was initially posted)and her expectations are skewed. I don't know, who knows, maybe she thought he'd leave his wife, but even if he told her "I'm having problems in my marriage", that's just a married man's ploy for a "booty call". That's usually what happens when women tango with married men, they end up playing 2nd fiddle.

As far as the money is concerned, Oh well. you're right, soror, he played, now he's gotta pay. http://www.plauder-smilies.de/nono.gif She'd better enjoy it while she can, though. *****in my Ms. Cleo accent***** I got a funky feelin' that he won't be asked to speak at too many places anytime soon.



[This message has been edited by tickledpink (edited April 29, 2001).]

I agree that Jesse should support the child but(1)he should support the child-not the bytch! and(2)there are other forms of support necessary for the development of a child; yet the Child Support System don't always guarantee the provision of it. The child might need the advise of its father on Tuesday, so what happens if the "formalized visitations" only allow Monday, Wednesday, and Friday visits?

I thought it was about the child?

Okay, who needs 48,000 dollars a year to support a child?! I know raising a child is expensive, but that seems like a lot, especially when you realize that she's not doing that poorly for herself. 48,000 a year can pay my tuition and room and board...and books!--with about 10,000 to spare!

It just seems as if this woman is out for money that she doesn't really need, but oh well. Jesse should have thought about that.

Does anyone know what his wife's about? Sorry, Ms. Jackson---but I am for real!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kocandi712:
Secondly, to answer an early question regarding the mother of this child, I heard this morning that she's a PH.D. that taught on the collegiate level. I only thought that was semi-interesting, because when I first heard this story, I ASSUMED she was a young, dumb gold-digging type. (Guess that's why mama said don't ASSUME--find out).[/B][/QUOTE


I also read that she is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority.

I say if the woman wants $4000...more power to her!!! Jessie should have thought about what some of the consequences could be before he started committing ADULTERY!!!
I worked for the Florida Dept of Revenue /Child Support Enforcement unit for 2 1/2 years. Just so happened to be in the court unit...when the guidelines are computed to determine the amount of support to be paid...wages of both parents are considered among other things. So if the brother is making $400,000(+) a year compared to what she is making...$4000 may be warranted! And because he IS the father...justified!!! Could the mother be acting a little greedy? Yes...could she be looking out for the best interest of her child - finacially securing the child's future? Could be. Would I do the same if I was her....yep!!! For the record - this won't happen to me...Love my husband to much...fear the Lord too much...and old Jessie just doesn't do it for me!

I got this from Black Planet and am shocked and amazed at her side of the story. http://www.plauder-smilies.de/sad/nixweiss.gif

Monday, May 21, 2001, 3:49 pm EST

Mom of Jesse Jackson`s Kid Speaks
Associated Press

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The mother of the Rev. Jesse Jackson`s out-of-wedlock child says she didn`t tell the civil rights leader for several months that she was pregnant because she worried it would hurt his political aspirations.

``I guess I was afraid,` Jackson`s former aide, Karin L. Stanford, told the Chicago Tribune in a story published Sunday. ``I didn`t want to do anything to hurt him or the movement.` http://www.plauder-smilies.de/confangry.gif

Stanford said she did not tell Jackson until at least three or four months into her pregnancy that she was expecting. She says she even bought ``a fake engagement ring` and persuaded an old friend to fly to Washington a few times to play the role of her fiance and the father-to-be. http://www.plauder-smilies.de/eek2.gif

``Despite the fact that I told the world the baby wasn`t Rev. Jackson`s, a lot of people didn`t believe it,` said Stanford, a 39-year-old author and former professor. ``They knew about our relationship.`

She says she believes Jackson ``always knew` he was the father and that her pregnancy played a role in his 1998 decision not to run for president.

The Tribune was unable to reach Jackson for comment. His spokesman, Lou Colasuonno, said he did not know if the pregnancy influenced Jackson`s decision.

Jackson made two previous attempts at the White House, in 1984 and 1988.

Stanford said she had successfully fought breast cancer a year before becoming pregnant, and did not believe she could conceive. She said ignored two doctors` recommendations to have an abortion because she felt it was her only chance to have a child.

She sued Jackson in April to formalize a child-support agreement. Jackson has been sending $3,000 a month to support his daughter, who turned 2 on Friday.

Stanford said she wants Jackson someday to be a part of their daughter`s life. She said Jackson had been visiting the child once or twice a month in Los Angeles, but has not been back since the story of their 41/2-year affair became public in January.







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She said ignored two doctors` recommendations to have an abortion because she felt it was her only chance to have a child

umm! ummm! umm!

Too much madness! LOL

FYI - Tonight on 20/20, Jesse jackson's former "mistress" will be interviewed. Should be interesting.

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I've seen the clips of the interview with Connie Chung on tv. Why would she want to be interviewed? Ok. Maybe I might know why. After having an affair with a married man, and giving birth to his child
I would not want to be interviewed and put myself and child in the national spotlight once again. I still wouldn't know her if I passed her by on the street. Is anonymity or the chance to regain privacy not what she wants? I suppose her excuse is to tell her side of the story. Frankly, I don't care!

[quote]Originally posted by Peace:

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I also read that she is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority.

I just read that too!



[This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited August 17, 2001).]

i caught the last 5 minutes of that special... that little girl is soo cute.... they were talkin about he offered to make her his benificiary or something like that but i had just tuned in so maybee im confused or something

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