Girl, I know! Who do you think is gonna win that fight?

Oh, Malik is toooo d*** fine!!!

Is it just me...or did anyone else notice that the producers seem to really want sex to happen between the cast members? After seeing the casting special and listening to Nicole and Malik state their interest for each other, Lori and Kevin...and the kiss between Jisela and Sophia(who are going to be on Road Rules)...it seems as if the producers really try to encourage something sexual between the cast members.
What a cheap way to boost ratings...they need to be a little more creative. Don't you think? Maybe it's just me???!!!

I agree that the fight will be one of the main things that will make me tune into theis season. You know eventually there was gonna be a fight between Coral and everyone in the house but she found someone to pick on that wouldn't back down! lol....I can't wait to see it....(I guess I'm messy like that too) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

YOu have to admit that at least David from New Orleans was good for a laugh! When he was trying to scat and started singing that "Come on be my baby" song I was on the FLOOR

I disagree.

It did no tlook like he was talking to her, he was sitting down and staring at her waiting for her to acknowledge him which wasn't gonna happen. It was for him to approach her.

And you have to give her a lot of credit. Yo udid not see her yelling or screaming. She didn't hit anybody. She said she did not want to discuss it, and went on her way. When he apologised, she accepted his apology.

What more should she have done? I can't see that I would have handled it that differently.

I thought at the restaurant she was a little harsh. And she did raise her voice to him. She wasn't yelling/screaming or anything, but she got really...fiesty about it. I understand her getting upset about it. But at the same time, I don't think he said that's what he believed in...he was saying what his uncle would tell him. I never got the impression he too believed that. If he did, then maybe that's another story.

Like I said, she could have tried to see where he got that point of view (if he shared his uncle's point of view as well) and tried to educate him that black people ARE educated and do go to college, etc. Instead, she told all that stuff to the camera and NOT to him. To me, it just seemed like he was trying to tell her what he grew up around and why his uncle didn't hire black people. Also, her not speaking to him for a whole day and waiting for him to apologize....hmm, that was a little dramatic. I mean, I guess cuz I didn't think he meant to offend her. But that's just me. I'll have to watch it again...perhaps I missed something.

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I will have to check it in re-runs too, because I thought he was saying that black people were all uneducated and slow, or that that's how it was in his hometown or something. I know that Malik also said that he was hurt by whatever was said (although CLEARLY not enough to do anything but avoid Mike for a minute or two rather than talking about it or saying anything about it). When he said it she just looked upset and was like "you will not talk like that while I am at this table, so be quiet". That's how it came across to me. And then even MIKE said that he regretted what he said and that he was wrong. So that's why I think she was right for what she did.

Plus I know you have to understand how it is. Don't you get tired of playing teacher sometimes? I don't want to be responsible for teaching white folks about us all the time, I'm just tired of playing that role, so I can understand why she might not want to either.

Yep, I totally understand this. I went to a pre-dom white jr high and high school. So I got my fair share of that.
I wanna see it again though b/c I missed some of it anyway. And I wasn't clear of how Malik felt about it. I know it didn't seem like he said much about it. But if so, then I must have missed that too! I need to start watching w/ the captions on cuz I swear those people mumble something awful! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

I'm sorry, but Kameelah does NOT represent the big sistah. I saw her in person and she is very small. Sharon on London(the most boring one out of all the RR's) came off as a punk! She let everyone tease her and ended up crying about every dang thing.

Malik is very cute and smart. I kinda like the hair! And he might change it during the show.

Is it just me, or does Nicole look like Trina, only prettier? She's a little ghetto, but I like her!

I'm sorry, but Coral is my GIRL! I would of been 10 times worse than she was on Mike. Like she said, even if he DID think that, what in the WORLD would make him say that mess? Even when he said it, he kinda hesitated!

I honestly didn't think anything could top RR 9(and I must say, I can't stand Teck, he is always on MTV yellin summin) but this one looks good!

Rachel is Amaya over Colin all over again, get over it girl!

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lovelyivy84... I have to agree that David from New Orleans was HILARIOUS!!!! My friends and I laughed sooooooo hard at him. He was corny anyway.

Back to Coral...she's just keeping it real. She dealt with Mike the best way she could and like I said before...just like me.

Anyway, I can't wait to see what happens this season. It should be GREAT!!

Remember the dree da dee do dee da da video? That was probably the funniest moment ever on any real world http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

I know this thread has developed into how the people of RW represent African Americans, but I want to add my white girl take on the Coral/Mike situation. I don't think Mike would have mentioned race if he was racist He kept being asked where he was from and I think the conversation was an extension of those questions. I think that if the conversation had gone further we would have realized that Mike was saying "that's what Uncle Bob thinks, but I know he's wrong." At least that's what I hope he meant. We're all teachers at some point. Coral & Malik could have said "I went to ABC U., and he went to EFG U., we're educated." I don't believe there were bad intentions by anyone involved. Sorry to intrude.
Heidi

This season of the real world does look like it will be more interesting than some of the past years. I am interested to see how things do play out with Coral and Nicole, particularly the argument they highlighted. For all the talk of stereotyping Black men, I hope the show does not take the opportunity to stereotype their way around Black women either.

As far as Mike and Coral were concerned-
IMHO, he sounded as if he was saying that his Uncle did not hire Black people because he had found them to be slow. He did nut sound as though he thought that conclusion was untrue. He sounded as though he felt that it was not true across the board but that where his uncle was it was the case. He sounded as if he was trying to explain the situation by saying "but it is not there fault- their schools are not good." I felt as though he did not see why what he was saying may be offensive to Coral and Malik because he continued to try to justify why it was the lack of education. I do not feel that he was leading to Uncle Bob was wrong just that Uncle Bob did not understand that their ignorance was out of their control.

As Malik and Coral walk away from the diner he does say that he was insulted by the comment but decided there was no need for him to say anything because Coral had handled it.

I hope Maik does take the opportunity to be open and learn new things. I think it is going to be harder with this cast because of Coral’s strong personality and fact that he is a guy unlike Julie in Nawlins. I think he has a healthy dose f male arrogance to overcome throughout the learning process.


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"No finer girls will you ever see, and I'm so glad I pledged- for what?
For DST!"

Well like my grandma used to say, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions.". Unfortunately Heidi Ho, Black people in America are constantly put into the position of being the "educator" when it comes to race. We deal with it in the class room, with fellow students, professors, co-workers, supervisors, doctors, pastors, you name it, and we have to face it everyday.
I don't believe that Mike is a card carrying member of aryian nations united or anything, but he like every other person raised in western society, is indoctrinated from birth with the racism inherent in this culture.
Mike even insinuated that Coral was not familiar with the education system in his area, so in his opinion, it was very possible that his uncle was right. He said at one point that the reason his uncle gave made a lot of sense to him. So while I doubt he will burn a cross on a Black person's yard, that racist belief will make a huge impact on the world when it comes time for him to make hiring decisions in a future job, or the way he treats fellow co-workers opinions or research. So while he may not have meant to offend Coral and Malik, he did--and not just on a surface level. When you have to live with ignorance every day, and you know that sincere ignorance, hurts sincerely, then comments like that cannot go unchallenged. And why should Coral and Malik have had to say anything about their own education? That merely validates uncle bob's opinion of the Black people in Bob's area, and makes Coral and Malik the "exception" to the rule. As in "you're not like most Black people".
I hope you understand what I'm saying. Moderators, I know this is long, but as I saw it as a "teachable" moment, I decided to "be an educator" one mo' gin! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Come on be my baby tonight...I know you've been with other fellas but C'mon be my baby tonight. That crap had me LMAO!!!! What was even funnier was that he actually thought that mess was the ish!

You're so right!

I kept on turning up the volume like, it must be my tv....

When he was standing in front of the Range Rover FRONTING like it was his??? Oh my stars I was dying! I'm laughing right now just remembering.

I was going to reply but I think you covered all the bases very well. I just get tired of teaching folks all the time, sometimes you just want to live!

Ok like I absoutely love RW/RR and will be posting in here like after every episode!!!

First of all I have to agree with lastpoetinsite and say "ditto"!! ( about the whole Segun situation)

Then,
Coral has a few Ayanna tendencies in her.....I understand her distaste for the comment however she is no fool. It was obvious that Mike was not a racist in that hateful way. He clearly stated how his uncle felt, and provided what his uncle claimed to be justifications for his assumptions. He seemed open to discuss the matter futher. Perhaps Coral should have calmed down and taken the opportunity to teach him.

Will someone hand Nicole a mirror!!!! The blue eye shadow is overwhelming.

Malik is not cute. Not in the least bit.

Lori is to available and toooo aggressive. When someone is not responding as aggressively (sp) you might want to slow your roll, Playa!

On RR:
Jisela is a whimp!!! She punked out by not even trying to reach for the ladder.

Ellen ---shoulda whipped some Morrocan a$$!!

Ta Ta For Now!!!


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"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful"

When da EAST is in da house....Oh my GOD!!!! DANGER!

don't you just love malik? he seems genuinely sweet! trying to teach mike rather than be mean will be so much more effective. it's obvious he doesn't know much about our culture. teach him, don't expect him to know but know he doesn't and hold it against him (if that makes sense). malik just seems so cool.

and he really likes nicole. i thought it was cute when he was like, and i'm paraphrasing, "we flirt but we are meeting outside people, but, i keep coming back to her." so adorable!! and he poured her orange juice when she got home! why is she looking elsewhere when he is right there?? but i promise ya'll, i want to grab nicole and wash her face! she is a cute gal, but that is too much makeup!!

and coral is such a b*tch!! why doesn't she relax, relate and release? and what was up with the blanket on her head?? i was so glad that imani, or whatever, didn't just take sides with her. he was real.

Malik is officially "Da Man" in my book! I liked what he did and I would've done the same. He gets 2 thumbs up from me!

I don't think I like Coral anymore. Her attitude is just really annoying. She did not have to keep picking w/ Mike. Ok, we can all see that Mike is NOT up on his black culture. Ok, now move on! Picking w/ him isn't gonna help him learn nada! She didn't have to teach him (frankly, I wouldn't even want her to) but she didn't have to keep messing w/ ol boy. And, is it me or is callling him "ignorant" every 5 seconds really annoying?? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif I think I agree w/ Mike when he said that she makes him out to be stupid or something. I don't know...perhaps this is another MTV editing issue. If it is, they need to stop cuz they're making her seem like the Queen B. If she's really like that, then I know she will not be cool w/ me anymore.

Lori and Kevin: They need to find other people to talk to b/c they are annoying. And that's sad b/c they don't seem that annoying. Once again, that's MTV editing for ya.

Nicole: Her story of how she grew up was sad. However....1) Sunglasses at night?? Why? 2)So, she wears all that makeup ALL the time?? Even if she's just chillin in the house? She's a pretty girl...I think Malik needs to tell her that http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif And what was up w/ that dude she met? I totally missed that cuz I was doing laundry. Someone fill me in please http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif


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If ya'll don't stop making me laugh at David!!!!

Weeeeelllll, let the church say AMEN!!! That was the same way I felt about Coral. She is just off the meter, im like dang give Mr. Man a chance to say he sawry an urrythang. Malik would look really nice with a LOW fro and ditch the pick, kept that facial hair together and talk, I don't even know what he sounds like. I think this season is going to be quite interesting, I just wish I had known when they were at 32 Hudson Street, because I would have definitely tried to make friends with someone so that I could get my television debut on....heeeheeeheee..... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

QUOTE]Originally posted by ZChi4Life:
Yes, I think the producers definitely wanted to see more peeps hook up this season. I mean, look at all the questions during the casting special. I'm assuming they edited a lot of the questions out to only show the ones about who wants to hook up w/ who, etc.

I think they are making Lori look like a psycho too. They did the same thing to Amaya on Hawaii. That's ALL they ever showed them talking about when they did those "confessionals" or whatever you call'em. Lori doesn't really seem like she'd be like that. Maybe to an extent, but dang! Everytime she talked, Kevin's name came outta her mouth! I don't know about that. I feel like Kevin is sorta saying one thing and doing another. Just like Lori said, he'll tell her he wants to wait and then be hugging her and stuff. She was all over him too, but she's not the one saying she wants to wait. I don't know...that's all just a mess.

I wonder what's gonna happen w/ Malik and Nicole. He's cute but the hair has got to be tamed!! I wish he'd stop picking it. I know you're probably supposed to, but it's getting on my nerves! And I'm not feeling all his facial hair that much either. He needs to braid the hair and trim up the beard, sideburns...alla that!
THEN, we can talk http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Coral, Coral, Coral. She just needs to bring it back a few notches. I think she's gonna be that person that overreacts to everything! I just know that when she told ol' boy off, I was thinking, "Why didn't she just ask him where he derived at all of that stuff" and "Why not ask him if he believed any of the stuff that his uncle told him." I KNOW I would've said something to him, but I would've tried to find out where he got all that and if he thought it was true. I felt bad cuz he kept trying to tell her that he didn't mean it like that. Po' boy. Then she had to go and not talk to him. She just blew that outta proportion. Instead of telling him to stop talking or whatever, why not see where he's coming from and EDUCATE him!!

Ok, I'm done cuz I could go on and on.

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I TOTALLY agree with you about girlfriend with the sunglasses...what's up with that?? I thought I was just out of the loop with what's cool (being in MN and all http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif),

I really like Malik. I don't think he has the personality for cornrows, but the out of control 'fro is killin' me. I have a natural too, but he needs to tame it down a bit, or at least moisturize it, ya know??? I also don't see why he likes Nicole...they seem like very extreme opposites.

I like Coral, and I can understand where she's coming from. I am in contact constantly with white folks that have "tunnel vision"--meaning they only see white america. Like no one else exists in the whole world except white folx. But that's my spin on the situation, once again, influenced by MN.

I don't think we should be quick to blame Coral for the whole Mike situation. He didn't have to say what he said in the restaurant. And..he was with TWO black people, how did he think they would react to the BS he was saying..and in public??? I think Coral handled the situation well in the restaurant. I don't think she wanted to make a scene, and talk to him out of her anger. And let's face it...Mike isn't the brightest bulb in the pack..at least she calls him out on it.



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---Unknown

I guess I'm going to do this list thing for every episode.

CORAL: Ooooh, but she worked my nerves! I have to wonder if she could have dropped as much knowledge as Malik.. something makes me doubt it. I did laugh out loud when she told Mike to do a report on Marcus Garvey though. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

MALIK: They showed a quick clip of him with the cornrows, and of course, I loved it. I think he is the total package - adorable, considerate, intelligent and tolerant.. did I mention I loved Malik??? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

RACHEL: Still kinda boring, but I thought her little scene with Nicole in the kitchen was cute.

NICOLE: Yeah, the makeup is a bit much, and I was wondering about the sunglasses too. She won lots of cool points for her Bush commentary, and she's quick-witted in a dirty south kinda way. Nahmean? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

MIKE: Po' baby. I feel bad for him, but he's learning... albeit slowly.

LORI/KEVIN: Thank God I didn't have to see Lori screwing him tonight. Guess I'll have that to look forward to next week. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

much respect...

i want to just say that i agree with jali. Seeing as i also attend school in MN...i also like coral...because in many ways we are the same. after you have been around white people who have NEVER IN THEIR LIVES MET OR INTERACTED WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR....(yes folx...never ever in their lives) and then have them say some crazy ish...yeah you want to slap them silly. and you do get a little annoyed and you don't want to have to "educate" them constantly. it gets boring and tiring.
malik's attempt to educate mike was interesting. malik seemingly has a good heart but sometimes folx like mike (who definitely isn't the brightest bulb in the pack!) need to be told, "look your ignorant ass needs to read a book and quit partying!"

there are two things that i think we are missing when we get angry at coral.
1. when they were at the restaurant (yes these folx mumble entirely too much!) mike said after he was talking about his uncle not hiring black people because they were "slower". he said, "my uncle gave me a pretty good reason for not hiring black people". which meant to me that he agreed. coral should've gotten pissed!
2. mike admits that when teachers talked about black people and events that he just didn't listen. oh so now he wants to listen? okay.

excuse me if i sound angry but on a daily i am here "teaching" white folx that they are not the only ones in this world. so while malik may have had the diplomatic approach...i can feel coral...cause sometimes as much as you want to "teach" you can't be nice and comforting all the time. sometimes you gotta give the ignorant some "tough love".

peace

Well, it's about time that someone stood up to Coral. I like her for the fact that she is direct and has no problem vocalizing herself. However, everyone must at some point stop and recognize their faults. She made herself look completely ridiculous when she said that Mike had said/done things to make her not like him but that she had done nothing to him that would make him feel likewise.

Let's be real. We live in a "white" dominated society. The history books used in schools barely touch upon Black History. The only Black icons taught are MLK Jr, Rosa Parks and perhaps Malcolm X. Further, when those people are discussed, they barely skim on their influence in our culture. For MLK Jr, they'll highlight the I have a dream speach. For Rosa Parks, they'll talk about her refusal to sit at the back of the bus. For Malcolm X, Lord knows that the only thing they're going to say is that she was a militant black man who condoned violence. They're not going to teach any in-depth history of any of these people or any others. Most certainly, they're not going to teach about Marcus Garvey, Charles Drew, Ernest Just, Carter G. Woodson, Sojourner Truth.....the list could be endless.

Not only do they not teach white kids this information, but Black kids learn out of the same history books. I went to a private, white, catholic school. Certainly, I did not get this exposure at school. My mother and father, both educated black professionals, instilled this knowledge in me. Not all black children know their history. Most certainly, Mike's parents wouldn't know the history of Black America and they would not have taught it to him.

Coral needs to grow up and get a reality check. It's not Mike's fault that he doesn't know. I also believe that he wants to learn. He was totally open to sitting down with Malik and learning.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind breaking it down with Coral to she whether she really knows her history as well.

I'll step up to this one since Coral got on my last nerve last night. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

I agree she should have gotten pissed off at what Mike said in the restaurant. If he really never interacted with black folk before coming on the show, how should he know to reject what he was taught? I'm not condoning his ignorance, but don't we all buy into stereotypes at one point or another? What I thought was out of line is the way Coral was going out of her way to be rude to Mike. I thought it was so presumptuous of her to assume that Mike would never take offense to anything she said to him. She was just like.. "Of course I never said anything to make him not to want to hang with me!" like it was unthinkable. I said all that to say this - yes, she had a right to get pissed, but she is too argumentative and self-absorbed for my taste.

Ok, I am in agreement with the majority: Coral is a major a**hole. I thought she was mad cool on the casting special, but she seems to be such an instigator.... it's like, she can't mess with anyone else so she picks on Mike (and I am NOT a Caucasion advocate!)
I really dig Nicole and I can tell how she and Coral will eventually clash... Coral's assertiveness seems like its something that she works at: she sets out to be a major b****. Nicole just oozes self confidence.
I really liked Malik's friend, too, even though Malik is my baby daddy.

Yes, exactly! I think even if this situation hadn't occurred b/t Mike and Coral, her attitude gets a big YUK from me! That is what was bothering me more than anything. Prime example: When Malik's friend was trying to explain how he felt about Mike's attempt to learn....did ya'll see that look she shot him??!! I was like DANG!! Brotha man just trying to tell her how he's seeing it. She got an attitude w/ him and she JUST met him! Granted, he didn't know what had happened w/ those two. But sheesh, he was just tryin to say what he felt from where he was standing. It's just her overall attitude that is ugly. And I agree, she seemed cool at the casting special. She seemed like she had some edge to her, but damn, I didn't think it would be like that! She was picking w/ Mike just b/c she knew he wouldn't say anything to her. She knows he won't cross her like that cuz she'd probably eat'm up and spit him back out! lol She's a trip!

Also, I can see where peeps are coming from about whites not learning about black history in school and all. I too went to a pre-dom white Catholic high school. Let me say that they taught virtually nothing about black history. Just the bare necessities, if you will. I don't think we even touched upon Malcolm X to be honest. Anyway, when I was in school, the questions would be flowing from left to right from the white kids. I didn't really have a problem answering them b/c I felt that I'd rather them ASK me (or another black person) than ASSUME something crazy. I mean, at that stage, most white teens aren't gonna take the time and look it up in a book (at least the people I knew in high school wouldn't...HA! yeah right!) So when asked, I'd take the opportunity to answer questions, etc. Even when I got to college, I'd still do the same thing w/ the white people I met. We'd get into convos about race, etc. and they'd want to know stuff about black people. Most times, I could tell they were a little afraid to even ask b/c they felt stupid/silly/ignorant for not knowing. But shoo, I don't know everything about every culture, so I didn't hold that against them. So that's why I was really feeling Malik. I felt he knew that Mike just needed a little push b/c he obviously didn't get it in school or at home.

Just my take on it. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Ok, I don't exactly know what I'll be trying to talk about here, so don't take everything I say to the extreme. Just as "white America" stereotypes blacks, doesn't anyone find it to be that that is a stereotype of "whites" in America?? Just because whites don't understand everything about black culture, doesn't mean they're rascist or anything. Obviously if someone isn't black, they won't understand everything fully. Just as if you aren't white, how can blacks understand everything fully about being "white"? You can't help where you grow up. If someone lives in the "bad" side of town, and gets on RW and talks about their life and stuff they're "keepin' it real", but if a white person who grew up in the spiffy part of town or the suburbs comes on the show and talk about his/her way of life, they are then labeled as the "typical" sheltered, wealthy, dockers type. Maybe someone could enlighten me more on this issue, maybe I'm just ignorant as Coral would put it.
I think Coral is a major b*tch. She's picking on Mike in a manipulative sort of way. How does she know what Mike should know? She didn't grow up where he did. Now, I'm gonna be honest. I don't know much about black history or what not, but considering how much I've been taught about our "white" history, I don't know much about that either. I know when black history month is, and I know who Rosa Parks is. But, I don't know who the guy is that she told him to write a report on. I wasn't taught any black history in school!! Does that mean I wouldn't be willing to learn about it????? NO, it does not. She needs to either drop it(b/c he's apologized), or teach him. If she's not willing to teach him, she needs to quit critisizing(sp) him. I honestly think I could write a 8 pg. essay on this mess, but I think I'll quit for now. Feel free to enlighten me if I'm way off base. Or just express your opinions of my post. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Okay because this could be a super long post, I will try and keep it simple, although I doubt I can. In my opinion, no matter if a black person lives in the 'hood' or a wealthy neighborhood, there is no way that we would not come into contact with white people in some way or another. Be it at school, shopping, work, TV, magazines, etc. Now for white people, if you choose (knowingly or unknowingly) to only be around white people that can be very possible. White people can have a 100 mile radius where there is just white people in their neighborhood, their schools, their leisure activities. This is why you will hear far more white people say that they have never had contact with black people. Whereas, I haven't known or heard of too many black people that can say they have absolutely never had contact with white people. Even if their neighborhood was totally black and they went to all black schools from elementary on. I guarantee you throughout that time the black person has probably come into a lot of contact with white people.

Also, as someone stated before, history books in any school teach predominately white history and how things affect white people. So of course, we can better look into the lives of white people. Now what do most white kids learn from history class, MLK Jr, Crispus Attucks (the first black killed in the Boston Masacre: I never understood the purpose of the fact), Rosa Parks, and a bit on slavery. My junior year in high school, I was quite the fireball, and I asked my history teacher why I always had to learn about white people and why wasn't I able to learn about black people equally? You know he had the nerve to say it's because black people didn't record their history http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif !! I was like it's funny how I can go to the public library and find all types of books on black history and that my family can educate me on black history yet none of this information is taught in school. But yet for some reason, George Washington cutting down the cherry tree and saying, 'I can never tell a lie' is such an import fact http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif!!

All I'm saying is I can guarantee you that majority black people know way more about white people's lives and history than white people know about black people's lives and history. And I know that to be true based on corporate america, which is where I work. I get sick of educating the white people I went to school with in high school as well as the people I work with (didn't have to do it so much in college because I went to an HBCU) about black people. I will continue to do it because it has to be done but it gets just a little old. Example, a 45-year-old white man that I work with (we're both accountants) asked me why black people don't BELIEVE in getting married before having a baby. I was quite shocked but I knew it to be pure ignorance. I explained that in my experiences majority of the girls in high school that had abortions were white, while most of the black girls chose to have their baby. And that's why it appeared to be that way based on my experiences. I was angry but I didn't show it. Another example, I think most black people understand why more white girls have eating disorders than black girls (that was a story on the news here in Atlanta). Black people know that it is because our men find nice, thick, "healthy" women attractive while white men perfer their women with maybe five pounds more than Calista Flockhart. They interviewed two 13-year-olds, one black, one white. The white one said that white boys want the girls to look like Kate Moss while the black girl said that when she thinks she's fat, the black boys say, "Girl you look good. You thick." Thus making us a little more comfortable with our bodies. When I was an auditor, my manager, a white woman who was dating a black man, kept worrying about not having a big butt or being thick because she had just found out that's what most black men like. It was just all too humorous for me. A white friend of mine from high school who has a big butt and is thick said that black men were the only ones that really accepted her body. So you say what's the point of these stories? It's that black people have always known the difference between what is generally deemed attractive for both races. It was funny to me that white people were just now learning that. I'm sorry one last example, my manager (white man) heard my Soror and co-worker (who is black), saying that she washed her hair once a week or once every two weeks. He starts saying that's gross. Some other white people heard and came around also saying that is gross. So of course for the kazillionth time she and I schooled all of them. We told them why they wash their hair everyday and why we can't. They were like, "I didn't know our hair was that different". Yet it's funny how she and I know.

All I'm saying is white people can choose to not know anything about us because they don't HAVE to see us in their towns, schools, magazines, or on TV. But since we see so much of white people in the workforce, on TV, in magazines, etc., we have no choice but to know about them.

Sorry for such the long post but hope this sheds some light.


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#10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999
Currently: MAL, Southern Region

[This message has been edited by DST Love (edited July 12, 2001).]

Very well written DSTLove.

DST LOVE, your post was very well written and well stated. I agree 110% http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks ambitious1 and THICKNCHOCLATE. I started to feel like I was venting more than I was trying to educate. But either way, I hope my point was clear. I could have went on and on about examples where I knew things about white people and they didn't know those very same types of things about black people, i.e. differences between hair, family make up, opinions of corporate america, etc, etc.

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#10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999
Currently: MAL, Southern Region

Thanks DSTlove--- that really does help http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif You're right, your post was very well put. Whites don't have to be around blacks. Why is that? I don't know the answer, this is a really complicated subject. But, I'm glad that you tried to help me see where blacks are coming from on this topic. I appreciate it http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I enjoy hearing all of your thoughts on the subject, b/c as you said I hardly ever have contact w/ a black person, and if I do it's in a setting that doesn't allo me to actually talk to them. It's just passing on the street or a restaraunt or whatever. Thanks again for explaining to me where you're coming from in such a helpful manner http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

You're very welcome!! Glad I could help http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif!!


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#10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999
Currently: MAL, Southern Region

I was not upset by what Mike said in the first episode -- that was his ignorant uncle's limited experience. What upset me was the fact that he lacked the sentivity and common sense to curtail his words in the presence of two African-Americans.

I feel that Malik's decision to school Mike on African-American history was very constructive. I can totally understand why Coral may not want to take on the role of the "educator." I find that people of color are always placed in the position of being sensitive to other people's ignorance and trying to help "others" understand. The "educator" role can get old real quick, because quite frankly, we have to do it TOO often.

HOWEVER, Coral seems to go out of her way to insult and embarrass Mike. If Coral doesn't like Mike, she should just not speak to him. If he says something offensive that is one thing, but if he admits that he doesn't know something, that is an entirely different situation. It was very rude of Coral and Malik to openly laugh at Mike for admitting that he did not know the answers to their questions. You know if their other housemates were to openly laugh at them about something they thought everyone should know, both Malik and Coral would be very upset (and they would probably think it was a racial incident). Of course, after being tutored, Mike was obnoxious enough to say that he was going to tell Malik's friend about HIS history and then proceed to get some of the details wrong. One remedial lesson and he thinks he is an expert!

I like how Malik's friend challenged Coral's "superior than thou" attitude. He was very diplomatic. And how in the world can Coral be so presumptuous to say that she doesn't do anything that bothers Mike? She bothers me and I am not living with her! For someone so stuck in her ways, she really shouldn't expect Mike to change his ways overnight.

Hey I were my sunglasses at night also. Its a little thing called flossin' NYC style.

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"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful"

When da EAST is in da house....Oh my GOD!!!! DANGER!

I could not resist talking about Real World...again.

I can understand that Coral was hurt and disappointed by Mike's comments. I am sure many of us would feel the same way. In my opinion, she was right to correct him, right then and there in the restaurant. She was right in letting him know how insulting it was to hear those comments, especially in front of her and in front of Malik...and truthfully, in front of anyone else at the table. I can't remember if it was Lori or Rachel was at the table, but what if she(Lori or Rachel)has a parent, relative, etc. who is black. Mike needs to learn that it IS inappropriate to say comments like that in front of anyone...unless he is talking to his "IGNORANT A$$ UNCLE". BUT...now Coral is being a B*%$# about it. Yes, it is true the hurt is not going to go away and no matter how many times we say "I forgive you"...it is hard to forget. I have a relative who is a lot like Coral. She likes to push people's buttons and has no problem telling someone(myself included)to their face that she thinks they are stupid if they do or say something that she does not agree with. She never says, "I am sorry...and I don't think she admits to being wrong about anything. It's either her way or no way. I am not trying to cut her down and berate her, but I am just trying to make the point that she is a lot like Coral. Sometimes I admire my relative her for her guts... but, other times her actions are inappropriate and down right rude...and mean! There is a time and a place for everything. Coral needs to learn that. She is wasting a lot of energy on Mike! Yes, he said that he wants to learn... but he doesn't seem that sincere. Julie, from RR-New Orleans...asked a lot of questions and she seemed sincere (and at time humble) in her quest to learn. And I am sure that there are a lot less black people where Julie is from than in Alabama...Mike's home state. I understand that Mike has not been exposed to many black people, but come one....in Alabama...!

Yes, Mike is not the "sharpest knife in the drawer" and to me he lacks common sense(what else could possibly explain him making the statement that his uncle won't hire blacks because they are slow, in front of two black people that he barely knows...actually it shouldn't make a difference if he made that comment after being in the house 1 day or 5 months...that!!!...to me is DUMB!

I applaude Malik for taking the time to try to teach Mike a few things, but Mike used poor judgement and demonstrated...AGAIN!
his lack of common sense when he told Malik's friend that he knew his history and then proceeded to butcher the facts. Coral was a little hard on Mike about not knowing about Marcus Garvey ...but he didn't know about Rosa Parks??? Oh yeah, he did say that he knew the name from an (Outkast??)song...not from school. I went to private and public schools, and the two people that they talked about when discussing black history are MLK and Rosa Parks. And it is not just taught in grade school, but taught in high school, too. I think both Coral and Mike are wrong, and it is going to be interesting to see how they relate to each other for the five months that they are at the loft. Yes, both of their actions are understandable, but that doesn't make it right. Maybe Coral is not used to such blatant ignorance, while Malik is. Remember he went to Berkley, so I am sure that he has run across his fair share of ignorance. He just handles it in a more mature way. If Mike didn't learn the first time, it should not have taken him long to figure out that Coral thinks he is ignorant. And if he has any sense he will figure out that Coral is opinionated and probably will not change her opinion. I too, noticed the look she gave Malik's friend...that to me, demonstrated her ignorance. On the casting special Coral said that she meditates every day because people get on her "d*#% nerves". Can you imagine what she would be like if she didn't meditate daily???

I think that Coral is attractive and very intelligent, but her quest to be "bi**% queen is neither attractive or intelligent. Mike should be taken at face value, maybe he will get something out of the five months that he is there, but not if he continues to let people like his uncle or family?? continue to influence his beliefs. All I can say is it is going to be an interesting show!!

And remember, this is just my opinion....