presbyterian college
 

in south carolina has an outstanding zta chapter that is very much alive and kicking. these girls are consistent crown chapter award winners and often win silver at convention.

AEPhi closing at Duke was in the last NPC update.

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Well techincally, the AOII colony never even existed. They barely had an interest group at Mississippi State going because of the lack of interest in a new sorority. (Don't get me wrong the Panhellenic was supportive and so were two groups in particular, KD and Sigma Chi, however I would even call it a colony. Just my thoughts.

There are about 5-6 old threads about AOPi's colony at Miss State including one or two started by you and a different one started by aopirose. For whatever reason the colony didn't work out. So pulling the plug is better than installing a sick chapter especially in a big expensive colonization on a housed campus. However trying to say now that "technically the colony never existed" is like saying someone is a little bit pregnant. Either you are or you aren't. Just my thoughts.

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums...ppi+state+aopi

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums...ppi+state+aopi

http://www.ur.msstate.edu/news/stories/2003/aopi.asp

I clicked on all of those threads and nowhere do I see anything about colony members being chosen or the colony participating in campus activities. Therefore a functioning colony never existed. They couldn't install the chapter, there was nothing to install. They put the process on hold like a week after they began.

By your logic, every time I went for a job interview, I had a job at that company...whoo hoo, I'd better call Federated and Ketchum and ask for my back pay...I'll be on easy street then!

Whatever has crawled up your backside about AOII (the proper way to type it thank you) please crank it out.

Several people have already said that # of closures is not necessarily indicative of an unstable membership program within an org.... We all know there are many factors that cause chapter closures--but to me, it's more interesting to note the number of schools who have lost more than one chapter in the last few years --what does that say about the strength of the Greek systems/environment at those schools? Again, I know there are many factors involved here, but it's something to ponder...although we already have seen examples of the posted list being inaccurate, I was surprised about a few of the schools that appeared to have more than one closing in that short period:

Arizona State(2)
Clemson (2)
Cornell (2)
Embry-Riddle (2)
Frostburg State (2)
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts (2)
Miami (3)...I wasn't sure if this was a combo of Miami of Ohio and Miami or not....
Michigan State (3)
SUNY Oneonta (2)
Syracuse (2)
UNC-Chapel Hill (2)

I disagree. I think that finding out about those interested in BECOMING a colony is totally different than actually naming a full colony...

Your point above about either being a little bit pregnant is a bit skewed... If we use your logic, then those who PLEDGE should be able to call themselves full members of XYZ. Right? They have started the process, so it's one or the other...

But, we all know that even though you pledge or become a New Member, it DOES NOT mean you are a fully initiated member. So, just because interest in a colony is pursued does not mean an actual colony was created. I think it's like visiting a car lot. You can take it for a test drive to see if it will fit your needs, but that doesn't mean you are bound to purchase the car. (Crude analogy, I know.)

JMO

But it technically was not a colony. A colony has meetings, colony badges, colony recognization, they never had that...yes I did start some threads....It was not a colony....

33 girl, we must be on the same wavelength. I think I was typing as you were posting:) LOL.

TippieChick and 33Girl, at least ya'll understood what I meant....

Thanks :)

Just wanted to add that Florida State University lost TWO sororities in the same year (1999 I believe)-Sigma Kappa and Tri-Sigma. I heard that either KKG or AGD was next. But I just looked at their websites and thoe girls look like they are doing just fine. Plus a great friend of mine was a KKG there and they were constantly winning awards. Anyway..... yeah-losing two in one year-nasty. They had bid beautiful houses and from what I've been told by some DZ and ZTA friends-they were really good girls. FSU is a huge Greek school too. I would have thought they'd be expanding, not closing chapters. AXiD left there a few years ago too. Very sad, all great chapters.

It is the Farmville Four connection. :D

The University of South Carolina has also lost two chapters since 2000. Theta in 2001 and DG in 2003. And we are expanding this fall with Gamma Phi Beta. Am I the only one who thinks this is messed up? I would have preferred to see DG stay vs. expanding.

IU lost several sororities in the 90s (Alpha Sigma Alpha, Sigma Sigma Sigma, Sigma Kappa, and Alpha Omicron Pi), but AOPi recolonized in 2000 and IU hasn't lost any sororities since.

IU has lost loads of fraternities in the last few years...Theta Chi, Sigma Alpha Epsilon, Pi Kappa Alpha, Sigma Phi Epsilon, and Delta Chi are the ones I can think of offhand. Beta Theta Pi was gone for a few years but just recolonized.

OleMissGlitter, I think that MOST people understand what we are talking about. We started a “colonization process" but a “colony” never developed. Perhaps, my thread title should have included the word “Potential” but I didn't feel like typing that that. :rolleyes:

BTW - 33, your post had me rolling. :D

Filling in Info re; Pi Beta Phi
 

breathesgelatin, your post that started the thread had some "??" next to chapters, indicating that your info didn't indicate where they were. So:


Illinois Gamma -Carthage College (1882-1888)

Iowa Delta - Burlinton IA 1881-1885

Iowa Epsilon - East Iowa Normal 1881-1892

Nebraska Alpha - Nebraska Methodist, York NE, 1884-1892 (originally Chi of I.C. Sorosis)

Ohio Gamma - Wooster 1910-1913 (Greek life banned)

Re: Filling in Info re; Pi Beta Phi
 

ooh thank you!

You read my mind! When I see several chapters closing within a one or two year timespan, that sets off loud warning bells in my head about the Greek system--especially about the wisdom of opening the campus up to NPC extension.

but chapters don't always close for numbers. if a chapter closes for risk management issues they will probably be replaced quickly if the national doesn't want to or isn't allowed to recolonize. You see this with fraternities all the time.

Knowing how the SUNY's operate and the popularity of AEPhi (I never heard the story of our chapter up there) and SDT in New York state I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of the chapters closed at Oneonta were b/c of hazing or risk management.

ASA, Tri-Sigma and Sigma Kappa at IU closed because of numbers.

I think AOPi was closed for hazing but they're back now. :)

All the fraternities I listed were closed for hazing/risk management reasons.

sorry i'm late on this......speaking about Wake Forest University....yes, Delta Zeta has colonized onto the campus in the past year but Phi Mu was not one of the 4 options to colonize (it was Alpha Phi, Delta Zeta, Zeta Tau Alpha, and another chapter....i'm having a brain fart right now, i apologize)

Phi Mu was not chosen to colonize, nor were they invited to present on campus

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SuthrnBell
[B]I think that when you talk about closed chapters it is important to look at not just which chapters an organization has closed over time but also which chapters they have closed in recent years so you can see how strong or stable their membership programs are. My sorority tracks chapter closings and one of my friends provided me with this list of each organization’s closings since 2000.

ACW (4)
James Madison
Southern Illinois – Carbondale
Cincinnati
Delaware

Delaware closed for risk management issues (as was well publisized here on GC)

I think Cincinatti and SIC were closed due to numbers

not sure why James Madison closed??

I don't believe that chapter closings will tell you or me one thing about the strength of the membership program of a sorority of which we are not a member. It MIGHT tell you something about the strength of a certain chapter's membership program, but even that is dicey. Several posters have pointed out that numbers are not the only reason for closing chapters. You would really have to know the story on each chapter you listed to get the real picture.

It was Alpha Delta Pi that was the fourth group to visit Wake.

I think you're confused about what I meant. I meant that Phi Mu colonized after the initial societies did (as did Delta Zeta). I think Phi Mu was colonized in '98 or '99.

I agree with Andi. I think it is extremely important to remember that chapters close for a variety of reasons, and many times it has nothing to do with the strength of a GLO's membership program. Sometimes it doesn't even have anything to do with the chapter itself. For example, anti-Greek administrators at Alfred University forced all of its national Greek organizations to shut down, and we lost a great DZ chapter because of it.

That's a rare occurance. Over a ten year period, there might be a few chapter closings that can be explained away, but for the most part, in my opinion, the rate of chapter closings does indicate differences at the top, such as the quality of membership programs.

Here goes the DU list, I will include dates and reason for closure if known.

McGill 1898-1972, 1984-2001. Lack of numbers
British Columbia 1935-72 numbers vietnam war
Victoria 1992-2002 numbers, not a strong greek campus
McMaster 1990-2000 could not clear debt to international
Calgary 1993-1998 numbers
Bowdoin 1859-1861 ,1892-1952 left international due to conflict over initiating an African American existed as a local Delta Sigma until 1997 when Fraternities were abolished at school.
Colby 1852-1865, 1878-1984 Fraternities abolished by administration
Williams 1834-1863, 1883-1964 Fraternities abolished by administration.
Amherst 1847-1861, 1870-1970, continued as local Delta Upsilon
Delta until 1984 when Greeks prohibited on campus
Brown 1860-1867 (local Gamma Nu) 1868-1967 as a DU chapter, KDU 1967-1986, reinstalled as a DU chapter 1986-1992 left DU when initiation fees raised in 1991 became KDU , removed from campus 1997 due to vandalism .
Trinity 1870-76 lack of numbers
Maine 1970-1995 hazing
Wesleyan 1850-1852, 1919-1953 left DU over initiation of african american member became Delta Sigma 1953-1967, joined Kappa Alpha Society 1967 inactive 1980's
Vermont 1850-54 became Delta Psi local still exists.
NYU 1865-1947 lack of numbers on Urban Campus.
CCof New York 1974-1878 lack of numbers.
Columbia 1885-1966 lack of numbers.
Dartmouth 1926-1966 became local Foley House 1966-1981.Closed 1981.
Union 1838-1864, 1869-1996 Hazing
Middlebury 1845-1847, 1856-1991 single sex orgs. prohibited by college.
Syracuse 1874-1971,1976-1995 hazing.
Rutgers 1858-1991 Hazing
Shippensburg 1995-2003 went local
Wahington and Jefferson 1860-1869 merger of college killed chapter.
Delaware 1970-1983 lack of numbers
Johns Hopkins 1928-1997 hazing
Maryland 1972-1992 loss of campus house
Washington and Lee 1931-1971 lack of numbers on very competative campus
Virginia Tech 1983-2003 lack of numbers failed reorganization.
Auburn 1961-1972 drugs
Tennesee 1969-1996 lack of numbers
Arkansas 1975-1994 lack of numbers
LSU 1979-1983 lack of numbers ,housing
Texas 1949-2000 lack of numbers, risk management
Tyler Jr. College 1971-1989 decision not to have a Jr. College chapter.
Southwest Texas 1972-1977 lack of numbers
Baylor 1977-1995 lack of numbers
Texas Tech 1985-1986 lack of numbers
Oklahoma State 1960-1991 hazing
Southwest Missourri 1981-1992 lack of numbers, risk management
Dayton 1971-1982 lack of numbers
UNC-Wilmington 1974-1978 lack of numbers
Ripon 1959-1984 became local Lambda Delta Alpha still exists
Marquette 1970-1974 lack of numbers harsh campus environment.
Univ.Wisc.-Platville 1969-1975 lack of numbers
Univ.Wisc- Oshkosh 1970-1977 lack of numbers
Southern illinois 1970-1980 lost house 1978
Eastern Kentucky 1970-1983 lack of numbers
Central Missouri 1970-1989 lack of numbers.
Simpson 1964-1976 became local Kappa Theta Psi still exists
Creighton 1969-1996 lack of numbers
Colorado 1953-1997 lack of numbers
Northern Colorado 1989-2004 lack of numbers ,minimum chapter size
Col. State 1971-1974,1981-1987 lost house lack of numbers.
Arizona 1959-1970 Vietnam War chapter fell apart
UCLA 1929-1952 lack of numbers, could not get house by campus
UC-Davis 1966-1970 bad campus environment lack of numbers
Cal State Northridge 1964-1969 lack of numbers 1960's
Stanford 1897-1987 bad behavior removed from campus
UCSB 1988-1996 lack of numbers
Long Beach St. 1987-1995 lack of numbers
Cal St. Bakersfield 1987-1991 lack of numbers
Western Mich. 1956-1976, 1993-2000 lack of numbers

I know I'm late to the discussion but I find it interesting that we can get a sense of the strength of a school's Greek system by seeing how many chapters have closed in the past few years. The example given here was since the year 2000. Going from that year it would appear that the University of Cincinnati is doing okay. It's only lost one chapter... mine.

But if you go back a few more years to 1997... you'll find that it lost 3 other chapters from then till 2000... Alpha Delta Pi, Zeta Tau Alpha, and Sigma Delta Tau. What's even more telling is that there were only 10 sororities to start with.

If you have 10 and lose 4 in a four year period... your Greek system is not doing so well. I read that only 2% of female students at UC are Greek. I read elsewhere that 33% of female students at Florida State University are Greek. Wow. Maybe part of the problem is that UC is a commuter campus. I don't know... but it sure is distressing.

Sorry, I know this thread is old, but I just had a thought about this... was the first one at Randolph-Macon Women's College and the other one at Randolph-Macon College? They're two totally different schools on opposite sides of the state. That may be the reason why they have different chapter designations.

LXA at our last General Assembly voted to De-Charter Sydney-Hampton or the other way around. I abstained as I do not like to see any Chapter closed. But, they did it them selves. Were told to be there, they had one Delgate fee all paid. We were told they would be represented and no one showed up!:(

What else were we supposed to do?:confused:

It is so sad. But, one thing that LXA is doing, is to not only Re-Charter Schools, We are looking into schools that are not represented with LXA.

I just think that is what is needed to be done within all Greek Organizations. Just My Thinking alone!:)

aggieAXO, do you know anything about James Madison and LXA??

I talk with an Alum from there and he is not sure. I deal in Cigars and he works for a Cigar Co.

I honestly didn't know that there were two different schools with somewhat similar names. It's entirely possible that this is the case and makes a lot more sense. I thought it was strange to reinstall a chapter at the same campus with a new name and not just use deutoron.

RE: For Pi Beta Phi:

Colorado Beta--Denver University
District of Columbia Alpha--George Washington University
Florida Gamma--Rollins College
Illinois Gamma--Carthage College (1882-1888)


For Carthage . . . the school moved to Wisconsin . . . why didn't the Chapter move? I mean, why not start a new charter there? I realize it was a long time ago, but my sister went to Carthage so I just find it interesting I guess.

Zeta Psi
 

Inactive chapters of Zeta Psi, taken from national website

Zeta Williams College 1848 Inactive,1991
Chi Colby College 1850 Inactive,1991
Epsilon Brown University 1852 Inactive,1988
Rho Epsilon Harvard University 1852 Inactive,1996
Alpha Dickinson College 1852 Deceased,1856
Theta Union College 1856 Deceased,1871
Pi Amherst College 1858 Deceased,1859
Eta Pennsylvania College 1861 Deceased,1972
Gamma Georgia Military Institute 1861 Deceased,1861
Omega University of Chicago 1864 Deceased,1887
Lambda Bowdoin College 1867 Inactive,1994
Gamma U.S Naval Academy 1874 Deceased,1874
Mu Stanford University 1892 Inactive
Alpha Beta University of Minnesota 1909 Inactive
Sigma Epsilon University of British Columbia 1926 Inactive,1994
Omega Northwestern University 1947 Inactive,1993
Rho Middlebury College 1956 Inactive,1992
Omicron Sigma Oregon State University 1962 Inactive,1971
Delta Chi American University 1969 Inactive,1972
Pi Kappa Bloomsburg University 1969 Inactive
Tau Delta Lehigh University 1973 Inactive
Psi Zeta Ohio State University 1979 Inactive,1984
Iota Delta University of California at Davis 1981 Inactive
Delta Alpha University of Colorado 1991 Inactive,1995
Tau Alpha Texas A&M University 1992 Inactive
Theta Tau University of Vermont 1994 Inactive
Psi Kappa University of Southern California 1997 Inactive
Mu Alpha Texas Tech University 2000 Inactive

Most common Reason for closing Chapters.

1. Numbers.

2. Money.

3. Hazing.

and last but not least, Trips by the IHQ to work with them, find out what the problems are and get them straightened out before They get into that situation!

Sad But True!:(

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Kappa Delta's Towson chapter is up and running again! :)

Yep, Towson is back up =). I believe WVU closed because of hazing.

I'm a bit late to this, but I wanted to address something:

to the best of my knowledge, SDT was never on Stanford campus. The NPHC sorority Sigma Delta Theta is, however, on campus and doing well.


As for chapters that are open/dormant in my sorority I have no idea about the current list. However, for Stanford, we once had Sigma Kappa, Alpha Omicron Pi, Alpha Phi, Delta Gamma, and Gamma Phi Beta along with the current open chapters of Chi Omega, Delta Delta Delta, Kappa Alpha Theta, Kappa Kappa Gamma, and Pi Beta Phi. Sigma Kappa closed early in Stanford's history, and all sororities were abolished in 1944. After Title IX, Kappa Alpha Theta, Kappa Kappa Gamma, and Pi Beta Phi, and Delta Gamma returned to campus in 1978. Delta Delta Delta came back, I think in 1984, and Chi Omega came back in 1991. Delta Gamma has since closed (1999) but is much missed.

Edited because I was having issues with my greek letters this morning. Also wanted to add that the above blurb is extremely accurate regarding NPC sororities at Stanford. If you want my sources (historically or otherwise) feel free to PM me

I can't believe I didn't catch this before - ZTA has another closing to add to that list. Their chapter at Western Carolina University closed in 2002.

Also, when was AST ever at Wingate? Unless there's a "Wingate" other than the one I'm thinking of in NC. I'm pretty sure it's only ever been Chi O and Tri-Sigma for like the last 10 yrs or however long since greek life started, before AZD colonized there 2 yrs ago.

Unless they are running underground, SDT is not active there. The NPCs active on campus are Chi Omega, Tri Delta, Kappa Alpha Theta, Kappa Kappa Gamma and Pi Beta Phi.