I think that the answer is no.

I wanna pose another question out there: I know that NPC bylaws state that if a girl who's in an NPC transfers she can do a local at her new school and if a girl who's in a local transfers, she can do any NPC with the exception of the ones that were on her old campus. On a local chapter level, how many sororities here would let their members do another sorority in this respect even if it was ok by NPC bylaws. I know that my sorority has a rule that after you've pledged for a certain number of weeks, and certainly after you've been initiated, you aren't allowed to do another sorority at all.

But if the NPC allows for this, how can an individual chapter override NPC bylaws or policies?

I didn't know that...

How do you enforce this if someone were to diaffliate from your org and join another?

I was initiated into a service sorority on my campus, and had a horrible experience. Thankfully, I was allowed to rush again because there were no rules that prevented it, and have found a happy home in Phi Chi. I know we have had girls that decided they would be happier in an NPC org, left Phi Chi, and joined one of the NPC's. We still love them very much and happily claim them as alum unless they disaffiliated instead of going alum.

Our Greek life director is a DZ alum from one university, but when she transferred they didn't have DZ, so she joined a local. She's wonderful and I'm so glad we have someone with that experience.

actually...
 

If a girl who's in a local transfers, she can join ANY NPC - it doesn't matter if they were on her old campus or not. Unless she joined an NPC, quit, and then joined the local.

If you were in an NPC and didn't want the girl from the local, you just wouldn't give her a bid - it's not like you HAVE to take her.

NPC nationally says nothing about local orgs. They are only concerned about a woman being a member of two NPC member orgs. In the eyes of NPC, a member of a local sorority is eligible for membership in any NPC sorority, regardless of which chapter was on what campus.

I'm definitely not an NPC guru (that would be PenguinTrax and some others on GC whose names escape me....), but that is what I recall from the Green Book.

PsychTau

That's what I was thinking, also Psych. I do not believe that the Green Book addresses membership in local sororities.

A girl in a local could also join an NPC that had been on her campus. For example, say that I had joined one of the locals at at UW school that had Gamma Phi Beta and then transferred to Wisconsin. I could still pledge Gamma Phi Beta there.

For anyone who doesn't know, absolutuscchick (Rachel) was a member of a local sorority, transferred, and joined an NPC sorority--Kappa Delta.

For the NPC/NPHC thing, I think it would depend. If a woman transferred in who was an NPHC member (we don't have any NPHC orgs on my campus :(), and wanted to find a sisterhood on our campus, I think we'd strongly consider her if we felt her motives were sincere and that she could be committed to both orgs. However, I don't know how her NPHC sisters would view that. My guess is--probably not so well. If an NPHC org were to come to our campus and women from our chapter wanted to join I think we'd be cool with that unless they were rude about it. I have a sorority sister who plans to join as an alum after college to the NPHC group her mother, grandmother, and sister are a part of.

That is an interesting Question!

I am not sure of the Relationships between NPC and NHPC?

But I think over the years, they have become closer in relationshops!

Anyone help out here?

But, inbetween NIC, NPC, there is a strong line on this. Well to my knowledge!

<not written by me, but I thought I would share it>

Belonging to only one NPC group is one of the reasons NPC was founded. Before 1902, there were instances when women belonged to more than one. Representatives of the organizations believed in life time commitment (and still do) They did not feel a person could have a lifetime commitment to more than one organization.

As I read this thread, I was trying to figure out how this situation could happen. Of course it's against the NPC rules; but how come the second sorority didn't realize or report it to either HQ? (Or the first sorority doing the same for that matter?)


The only reason I can think of is if maybe there was some kind of drama whereby the girl felt wronged by the sisters in the first sorority and so she quit. Then, maybe the members of the second sorority sided with that girl and that's why they were willing to take her on as a new member.


Does that make sense? They knew she was a member of the other NPC, but they felt she deserved to have a better sisterhood. Something like that?


.....Kelly :)

well, how about another scenario?
this happened with a frat boy on our campus. he was a member of a frat and then that frat closed so he pledged another on the same campus.
could this be done in the NPC?
could i join Gamma Phi Beta and then if my chapter closed, join, say, AOII, on the same campus?
i would say no, personally but do the rules say anything about that?
get out your green books ladies! (sorry i don't have one!)
:eek:

Okay, in all seriousness, the vast majority of the women on this thread seem to agree that being in two NPC sororities is wrong, yet there doesn't seem to be a way to enforce it. Why not require a transfer student to provide (or have the "new" school's Panhel find) a waiver from the original college, stating that Pammy PNM was never a member of an NPC sorority? Would that be too legalistic? Obviously, telling the truth doesn't seem to work in all circumstances, because this isn't the first time I've heard of this on GreekChat.

I don't need the Green Book to know that your scenario doesn't fly. Once you've been initiated into an NPC sorority, you are a member for life. Even if you dissaffiliate, you may not join another NPC sorority.

As long as schools kept accurate Greek records/rosters...this would be easier to do than checking with HQ of each GLO. After all, the new school would know the student is a transfer (unless that person is completely starting over incognito) and that would be on the GPA report for formal recruitment. Or it would come up if the group is checking GPAs for COB.

NPC, CPH, and schools can make rules all they want...but it's up to the individual members of the NPC groups to enforce it. Educate your members on the rules and why they are there. I'm sure during recruitment you can figure out who knows a little more about Greek life than the others, and there are ways to ask questions. Follow your gut instinct...there's no problem with checking it out discreetly.

That's my 2,000 cents!!!
PsychTau

No, you can't. We gave our last pledge class the option of depledging or initiating the semester we were closing.

And that scenario is precisely what the rules talk about.

ETA: In Gamma Phi if your chapter closes, you become an alumna unless you transfer to another school with a chapter.

OK, I have a question...I know a woman can't belong to two NPC sororities. However, there's no rule against an NPC member joining a local sorority (someone posted about this earlier). I see the reasoning behind this, but for those of you who say you can't be loyal to two groups, what's the difference? That is, wouldn't you think joining two groups would be wrong no matter if they're local or national?

I don't know where I stand on this...I see the reasoning behind the rules, but in a way I see how they could be problematic in some cases. I don't think I would've had any problem joining a local sorority if I had transferred to a school with no DZ chapter. To me, it's like being a member of both, say, a service sorority and a social sorority. Of course you wouldn't discuss business of one group with the members of another, but I can see how it would work.

Actually I read that you can indeed join another sorority if you dissaffiliate but you have to wait 5 years or something like that...so basically you wouldn't be a collegiate anyhow. It would be more of an alum initiation thing.

And as for the guy, jeez, that is surprising a guy joining one then another. I can understand either guys or girls doing it if they never were initiated(it 's happened on my campus several times) but not being initiated and then joining? That is just plain LAME. And yes, that is my opinion.:p

Well, the information that you read was almost certainly wrong. There's no waiting period "exception." Unanimous Agreement #1 of the NPC, as published on the NPC national web site, is:

"A woman who is or who has ever been an initiated member of an existing NPC fraternity shall not be eligible for membership in another NPC fraternity."

So a woman who gets initiated, but later disaffiliates, would therefore never be eligible to be a member of another NPC group.
Same thing if the NPC sorority that initiated her terminates her membership -- she is not eligible to join another NPC sorority.

This just happened to us this year.

"Suzie" joined our house through fall Rush 2002. We all liked her, but she quit a few days before initiation b/c she thought she could do better.

This year she rushed as a junior and joined the house across the street (which, interestingly enough, is where she always said she wanted to wind up).

That is not the same as being initiated into one NPC then being intiated into another. I assume that someone is free to "pledge" as many groups as will have them in their allotted time as long as they are not initiated.

Um yeah I know. But Greek Life is very strict at Mizzou-we follow all policies to the letter. And I don't care if you can get away with it...it just seems wrong to me. She went through the entire new member process. Even if you can do that, who has respect for someone who was a Zeta for a month, a KD for 2 days a year later, and finally became a DG?? (NOT her, just an example.)I'm not saying I have no respect for this girl, but you make it sound like you can pledge whatever house and if you don't like it, you can join another one. We take our sisterhood seriously- to us, that isn't right.

I didn't say it was right and I wasn't defending her. I was saying that it doesn't look like she did anything against the "rules" by deactivating one house and pledging another one year later. It is allowed. I take my sisterhood seriously, also, I wouldn't like it if a new member suddenly decided we weren't for her but XYZ was and she signed on with them. Fact is, as long as the one year bid card rule was followed, she didn't do anything wrong according to the rules we are governed by.

Could someone who has a better knowledge of this than I correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the NPHC not allow for any of its members to be in any other social GLO's? So by being in Pi Phi isn't this girl disallowing for herself to be in the NPHC sorority? I think that's what I read previously somewhere on GC. I could be wrong though seeing as my knowledge of NPHC facts is few and far between.

Well you know, I am not sure about the NPHC policy specifically. I just know what this woman has conveyed to me about NPHC policy. Actually, this woman has deactivated, so technically it shouldn't be a problem for her. I more think of her as a sister I guess. But she talked about it before she had deactivated. As a disclaimer, her deactivation had nothing to do with her desire to join an NPHC org.

I don't know if NPHCs specifically have this policy, but I *think* that what I have heard expressed in the past by NPHC members was this:

a) that it technically would be allowed to be a member of NPC and NPHC
b) that it isn't done and it would be looked down upon

Please please NPHC folks correct me if I am wrong! I will try to find the old threads!

ETA: I found the thread I was thinking of:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...PHC+membership
This thread shows the NPC and NPHC perspective on this issue.

No, no, no! Never means NEVER. I think what you are thinking of is a chapter waiting 5 years to recharter. Either that, or maybe if you are terminated, you can repetition for membership in the same group in 5 years.

If you terminate your membership from DG, you can never, EVER join DG again. Ever.

OK...say a girl initiates in an NPC sorority, quits and joins a local. The local is later colonized and becomes NPC (while she's still an undergrad). What happens then?

Eeesh, and you have to be a really bad girl to have your membership terminated by the sorority!

Taualumna, that's interesting. The only thing I have to say about that is, it's probably never happened.

The NPCs all have rules about how long you have to be a local (and how many girls, etc.) before you can apply to colonize. Then the colonization application takes forever and a day. Then usually you have to be a colony for X period of time before you're initated.

So I'd imagine unless you were on the 20 year plan it wouldn't happen.

Re: sister who wants to deactivate to join another sorority
 

Coencidentally, my skeezy-ness alarm is going off.

(1) poster has only one post
(2) poster "wants to support" defecting member
(3) seeming complete unfamilarity with NPC rules

In response to TauAlumna's post, I believe that if the local did ever join the NPC, then that woman would have have to either go alum or inactive from one of the groups, and stay active in the other one. I know there was a thread about this on GC but I can't find it now.

To me honestly i dont know how anyone can look at themselves in the mirror and think it is ok to pull of this fascade because you knew the rules of NPC and if it was me trying to hide and double track all my lies and misgivings would make me feel unbelievably guilty in every sense and sooooo disloyal to my chapter and sisters.

Re: Re: sister who wants to deactivate to join another sorority
 

(1) Nowhere did it say that either of the sororities was NPC.
(2) Nowhere did it say that the sister was necessarily initiated yet, only implied.
(3) There are a whole heck of a lot of people there who DON'T know or understand NPC rules, including many members of NPC sororities.
(4) And if my post caused this much drama, I'd stay away too. :p

Not necessarily - some sororities terminate for relatively innocuous things, like nonpayment of dues. Once you pay up you can get reinstated. (Note I say "some" not "all.")

Tau alumna - she cannot join the new NPC group. She can't have her name on the charter. They may, however, choose to recognize her somehow - for example, we have a Phoenix recognition pin we can present to sweethearts or advisors who may have been in another NPC group. Something like that could be done.

So basically, if she's still an undergrad, she becomes an alumna of the local rather than continue as an active of the new sorority?

I will flat out tell you I think it's a bad rule. I'll tell Martha Brown, Betty Quick, Julie Burkhard, Linda Collier, and Patty Disque I think it's a bad rule too. I've elaborated on why in several other threads.

I don't like the fact that they say we can't be loyal for life to two organizations - what about everybody who's in a social GLO, a service GLO, a business GLO, a church, Knights of Columbus, the VFW, the Lions Club, etc?

Yes.

Actually, colonization can happen in a pretty short timeframe. My chapter went from interest group to local sorority to colony to chapter in a total of 2-1/2 years (and the founders were actually initiated a few months before the chapter was chartered). Theoretically, with that timeframe, someone could have been initiated into XYZ (an NPC sorority), deaffiliated, been initiated into a local, then have to deaffiliate when the local decides to go ABC (another NPC sorority).

In this situation, if you'd formally deaffiliated from XYZ, you would become an alum of your local and that's that. If not (say, if you'd transferred), you'd still be an XYZ. In neither case could you be initiated into ABC.