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Originally posted by Poplife:

It's very interesting what people have to say on the topic of not just homosexuality, but oppressed groups in general. After spending some time in Catholic School (intense Bible study), I have realized that the Bible is one of the most conflicting books of all time. People tend to support/utilize Bible scriptures when they have personal gain (i.e. to prove a point). It seems odd that the very same people will forget the scriptures when they want to have premarital sex, have children out of wedlock, cheat, steal, lie, abuse, forget to thank God for his blessings, and just plain forget that God creates EVERYONE and claims to love EVERYONE!

The Bible has never been and never will be a shield for personal use. It's obvious when a person is hiding behind the Word...to both GOD and the people he created. I don't recall God telling me it was okay to adhere to some things he said and tiptoe around others. I always felt that it’s all or nothing with Religion. There might be some parts you wonder about but if you have faith you have FULL FAITH, not just faith in the things you want to believe in and blind sight the things you don’t.

Please apply this thought to all other contraversial topics that have been mentioned (i.e. preventing murder by killing).

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Originally posted by DoggyStyle82:
Brand Nubian

We often see what we want to see and ignore what we choose not to see. I know that you and she have much in common, so I can understand the agreement with her. Maybe thats why you were the one person (so you say) who understood the "supposed" point of her original post

Yep...I sure did understand her original post. So? And for the record, you don't know what or how much she and I have in common. What I took issue with in my last post was the disrespectfulness of your previous post, which I felt was unnecessary and unproductive to the conversation.

But, overall, you said a mouthful when you said: "We often see what we want to see and ignore what we choose not to see." That's a statement that can be applied to nearly everyone, including you. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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Originally posted by BrandNubian:
Yep...I sure did understand her original post. So? What I took issue with ... was the disrespectfulness of your previous post, which ... was unnecessary and unproductive to the conversation.

But, overall, you said a mouthful when you said: "We often see what we want to see and ignore what we choose not to see." That's a statement that can be applied to nearly everyone, including you. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Exactly my same thoughts.

much respect...

my brotha, doggystyle82, in a previous post i suggested to you that if you had any issue with my topic...with my questions...with anything that i had said to email me. i did not read the post that you had posted previously (the one that you deleted but others had read) in which i heard that you had belittled me. but still i respected your opinion.

then you post this...

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SERENITY24:
You said everything that I wanted to say with more clarity. When I saw that LASTPOETINSITE was running a pseudo-intellectual shell game , it wasn't worth it. You have pointed out her blatant disingenuousness in structuring her argument. She tries to sound gracious and accomodating in her responses when she really is the one being accusatory, biased, and prejudiced against those who don't side with her, especially Christians, whom she never failed to bash in each of her posts.

...and i was stunned to say the least. you, my brotha make alot of assumptions about me and as you said in another post....you have chosen to only see what you would like to see. and you have been insulting...something that i would not expect from a person such as yourself who believes in a high moral standard.

but there is no need for me to attack you or your beliefs. that is not the way i work. i embrace all thoughts and beliefs as a persons personal truth. now i may not agree with those things...but i do respect them.

so what i will say to you is that as Jesus once said when asked what to do when people attack you...turn the other cheek. i am sure my brotha, doggystyle82, that you have a great wisdom that you would like to impart upon this thread...which i continue to welcome.

as two college-educated individuals i'm sure that we can continue to discuss the issue on the thread without attacking one another.

serenity_24...

you posted...

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As for addressing the "other" examples you've provided, those examples were not part of the original post. Nowhere in your original post did you speak of things like "wetback", "spic", "jap", "jew 'em down", "sand nigger" etc.](please go back and review).

and i did go back and review...this is a statement i made in my original post. although it does not use those words that i used in a recent post it asks the reader to review other ways an oppressed group oppresses another group...here is the quote...

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but its not just homosexuals that we mimic the rhetoric of white supremacists when oppressing. we have verbal abuses for almost every other ethnic group, religious group, and one another. think about it...theres no need for white supremacists to call us niggers...we do it to ourselves.

but as someone else said everyone pretty much chose to talk about homosexuality (the hot button topic) instead of looking at the things that we as black people do to other groups and ourselves.
it is true that i used the issue about homosexuality as one example but i also did say that there are other things that we should talk about too.

in addition you said...

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Maybe, in your opinion, a disscussion on the "morality" of homosexuality made you uncomfortable, but for others the thread was stimulating and enlightening. If you really want to stop homophobia, lets contiune this discussion. Maybe you could change someones heart on the matter. Ending the discussion because you don't like the direction it's going only perpetuates the problem.

a discussion on the "morality" of homosexuality did not in any way make me uncomfortable. it is a discussion that i have had many many times. i also really didn't see the thread doing anything to eliminate homophobia in most of the posts (with a few outstanding exceptions) it only served to perpetuate it. and as it usually is it was subtle...which of course people will say didn't exist and that is the insidiousness of homophobia and other forms of oppression.

i will agree that i didn't like the way the thread was moving because we were only focusing on homosexuals. There are other groups who we oppress...including ourselves...which we of course for the most part didn't touch.

and as you can see...instead of trying to work together to discuss the issues. it descended into having had an insult flung in my direction. one that you agreed with. but as i said above...i will turn the other cheek. if you are interested in emailing me you may do the same.

again thank you all for the responses. i respect your opinions...some i agree with some i don't...but they have all contributed to the interesting flow of this thread.

peace,
lastpoet

[This message has been edited by lastpoetnsite (edited April 13, 2001).]

Some of you all have TOO TOO much time on your hands...

This going back and forth has not gotten anyone anywhere. If you want to go back and forth, do so privately. If one does not adhere to what this POST POLICE has directed, then his or her posts will be deleted. Let others who want to post their opinon do so without being attacked.

Let's move on....

Let me preface this by saying, THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK, nor have I ever attacked anyone as a result of my posts.

However, when one person states their arguement, as a prize winning debate team member, I am compelled to review their argument and give my rebuttal. It was never meant in a way to attack anyone. I thought that was the way coversations went anyway, especialy on a heated topic. In the future, I hope that if I give my oppinion on a subject matter that my posts are not deleted because they are perceived as attacks on another. Forgive me for saying, but that's one of the reasons why we have a reply with quote button. (I'm just saying....please don't deleate me http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif )

I know this was a preface, but I think my passion to continue to post has been beaten out of me by the POST POLICE much like the name Kunta was for Toby. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif