and another thing...

so we're supposed to be all happy that saddam was captured, but I feel like it doesn't have the significance putting are ascribing to it. What I mean by this is that Osama bin Laden is still out there somewhere plotting to kill all of us. I'm so sick of this whole situation and how some people refuse to see what's right in front of their faces. It's kind of funny how the powers that be are just feeding grass to the sheep who are eating every shard of grass in the meadow of lies and deceit. Would people just learn to READ, examine the world they live in from a different perspective and think for themselves? WAKE UP!!!!

man, you'd think that people could see that...but i guess they like those rose tinted glasses.

Re: Re: The Rat
 

Lol! :D Guess I was the only one who thought that was hilarious. I can't wait to watch the South Park that makes fun of how Sadaam looks. Maybe Satan will leave him cause he looks all scruffy. :D

I'm with you!!!!!!!!!! :) I'll certainly be drinking to that later :)

I would say they are. They did afterall inspect him for health conditions (mainly for lice i think), they did let him shower, and they did let him shave off that beard.

Re: Prediction for democrat platform
 

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

We had plenty to say about W before this jabberwocky, we'll have more to say about him still. :D enlightment06 summed it up pretty well.

That being said, I'm glad they captured the jackass. I don't think anybody deserves the death penalty, but if I was about to start supporting it, he'd be first on the list.

Cheers!

......
 

I dont' know that I would want him to get the death penalty. Just b/c I think thats the easy way out for him. They should lock him up in a 6X6 room and torture him.

This morning when we all found out, we all were plotting torture ideas. My still very drunk friend suggested lots and lots of paper cuts, then tie him up and have lil' Iraqi children piss on the cuts. Then have their dads hit up a couple of times. Another said we should use him the "formerly Jackass" show, just use him as the stunts. It was funny at the time.
;)


Yay for all the American troops!!

I would like to add that the new Iraqi gov. does not have a death penality. (But there could be an amendment to the constitution) Saddam will be tried by the Iraqi gov. They said it all day on the news.


Plus I was going to vote for Bush yesterday and I plan on voting for him today even more.



Christia

Does anyone on this Site realize!

Wow Celebration, lets shoot guns in to the air!:mad:

Stupid Asses, what goes up must come down!:rolleyes:

S**T, take all weapons away from every one, they have no damn clue!:rolleyes:

Being ex-copper!:eek:

Let me attempt to translate....

Do any of you GCers realize how reckless it is to fire guns in the air in celebration?

Due to gravity, bullets fired straight up will come straight back down

Quote:

S**T, take all weapons away from every one, they have no damn clue!:rolleyes: Being ex-copper!:eek:

Being an ex-police officer, i think that they should take the weapons away from the jubilant Iraqis, they have no clue of the danger.

close enough Tom? Russ, you gotta get used to Earp-spake.

Kitso
KS 361

Kitso, thanks. Now, Tom makes perfect sense. You should work for the UN as a translator. ;)

No. Please, no. It ain't even about politics, dems vs. repubs, liberals vs. conservatives. It's much bigger than that. I wouldn't want a super extreme leftist in office either. Bush is just bad, bad, bad news. All empires must fall, even the empire of the United States of America. I hope to God that we can change course before it's too late.

Is it just a coincidence that most people around the world (including the U.S. voting population) think that G.W. Bush is a threat to world peace and stability and is just an overall poor leader? In the words of Mugatu, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!!!"

Propaganda and Spin
 

I think you don't see the difference between a majority and a vocal minority.

well, there goes my Iraq paper... *crumples up 10 page essay and starts over*

but i am glad to hear he has been caught. as someone said before, the joy on the faces of many of the Iraqis makes it worth it. hopefully they will be able to get some useful information from him.

Re: Propaganda and Spin
 

Actually I believe that enlightenment06 was refering to either the BBC world poll, or the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp.) poll, or the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp.), or the Rueters poll, or the CNN Iternatational opinion polls.

They all stated that a majority of people polled, including ones from coalition countires, viewed Bush as a threat to world security and peace. They ranked the threat posed by the Bush admin. as the most likely to lead to further conflict.

Admittedly it wasn't a scientific poll, but a public opinion poll, conducted by interviewing people on the street. I have no idea who they asked, or the exact phrasing of the question.

I've never supported the death penalty, but I'd pay a hefty sum to personally participate in his.

-Rudey

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the U.S. facilitate Saddam's rise to power in the first place?

No, Saddam was already in power and at war with Iran when the U.S. "freiendship" began. It was looked upon as the lesser of two evils at the time.

That is wrong. The Baathists were alligned with the Soviet Union when Saddam took power.

Actually, as I understand it, Iraq doesn't even have a Constitution yet -- let alone a death penalty.

Where he will be tried, by whom and for what is sheer speculation at this point in time.

I really wish that for this one time at least, we could leave politics out of the discussion and be happy that he has finally been found and will, hopefully, be brought to justice -- not matter what the vehicle for that may be.

You are right, Iraq does not have a constitution yet. Putting aside politics... lol! RIGHT! It seems that some would rather have Saddam in power than Bush, and they'll take every opportunity to take shot at him. I find it funny that some say that Bush should not use this or any of the victories in Iraq for that matter as a part of his campaign, yet they seem to find it perfectly acceptable to point out those areas of the Iraq issue with which they disagree, happily making them an topic in the campaign.

Perhaps you're thinking of the CIA training members of the Taliban.

That's inaccurate. The Taliban did not exist when the CIA was training the Afgahni resistance to the Soviet invasion. After the Soviet Union retreated, the Afghani resistance fractured into many groups, including the Taliban and the Northern Alliance (which opposed the Taliban.)

Also, getting involved in Afghanistan was crucial in the 1980s. If the Soviet Union managed to conquer Afghanistan, then they were going after Pakistan. Why Pakistan? Look at a map. The Soviet Union would have access to the Indian Ocean, giving the Soviet Navy year round access to the world's oceans. Also, they would have geopolitically divided the world, and possibly would have won the Cold War. This is not a world that any of us would want to live in.

If this is what you mean by "the CIA training members of the Taliban", then thank God that they did.

Give me a break.

Where did anyone say or imply that they support Saddam?

I only hope that someday I'm as sure of myself and politics as a lot of you seem to be.

I don't mean this to aimed specifically at you, Bethany, but your comment above touched a nerve. I have equal frustration with those of you who are so abosutely sure of the opposite viewpoint.

I guess I just keep getting dumber with years and experience, because none of this stuff (speaking of the political side) seems nearly as black and white as it used to be.

On the other hand, maybe experience is a good teacher and some of you will one day notice that there are some shades of gray. Particularly in politics.

In any event, this thread is supposed to be about Saddam being captured.

I love you pops.

-Rudey

Re: Re: Propaganda and Spin
 

That's a good point. But actually I was thinking about how Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 which means more people who voted actually wanted somebody not him. Also Bush set the record for having the most people protest against him worldwide in one day. Now that's an accomplishment!

I'll give you a break... just watch some of the various news shows. The libs paint Bush as the antichrist. They whine that the U.S. has not found any WMD's, ignoring the fact that WMD's were only one reason the president gave for going into Iraq. They pay little attention to the fact that Saddam was himself a murderer. Take your break. Liberals hate Bush. Personally, I think it's funny and I expect it. Few minds will change. They hate him and shall continue to hate him. Saddam is a black and white issue, and his being gone is reason enough for our work in Iraq.

I'm one of those people who don't know where I stand on the death penalty. As a Christian, I'm against it, but as a human being, sometimes I think the serial killers and rapists deserve to fry.

However, I think that no matter which way you view it, I think he is just too dangerous of a man to let live. If he is put to death, yeah, his supporters will get pissed off for a bit, but they'll eventually settle down. If he's put in some sort of prison to rot in the rest of his life, it will be a rallying point for supporters. If he ever managed to escape, I think he'd be even more dangerous because he'd have even more of a grudge against the U.S. (and anyone else who has been involved with the war), and he'd be able to rally even more people to his cause because of his seeming invincibility.

i think no matter what happens, saddam and any baathist counterparts, or other 'supporters' of his will spin it into some kind of martyrdom. luckily, as we've seen today, i think the great majority of the world can agree that it is a very good thing, regardless of what follows, that he has been captured. also, i think that seeing what saddam has become over the past eight months and his apparent resignation to his capture will hopefully weaken the image that still made people fear the man. this whole situation should be 'interesting' - to put it one way- to watch unfold. supposedly to be tried by a government that doesn't really exist at the moment but that is being guided by mainly the u.s. ... after all, the u.s. has been planning to try saddam and gathering evidence for it for the past year and a half, so there must be a specific plan there. as for him escaping? my money is on the likelihood of an assassination over an escape, the way things work these days.

where is he going to get a trial?! with all the crap he's pulled since.... well a LONG time, I would find it hard to believe he would remain alive...it's too risky.

And completely random, but I really think he looks like Stefano from 'Days of Our Lives' :p

Re: Re: Prediction for democrat platform
 

If u don't know...I'm not the one to tell ya...

This administration could find Bush, Saddam, have everyone in the US employed, and find Waldo....and folx would still have something to complain about and hate Bush for... I just think its funny. Instead of saying this is a great accomplishment...some people have to immediately go to "Yea well...what about this...and what about that..."



PS - If your tone continues in the same manner i.e. "What the hell..." your response will go unanswered.

No, he looks exactly like my dad. I did a double take when I first saw the footage.

It seems the Iranian has enter the fray. They are preparing a criminal complaint to the international court. This is going to get interesting.

I believed over 400,000 Iranians died during the conflict. Although I think the IRaq should be the one trying him, the Iranian should be allowed to send their own prosecutor into Iraq to also try him.

And just what does that have to do with this thread? Or didn't you read my entire post? It talks about the politicalization of the thread only.

Edited to add that there is a separate thread specifically to talk about the politics of Saddam's capture.

Yes.

-Rudey
--A very painful death.

I also think it should not only be a trial, but also a fact finding mission. Find out who supported him, who gave him what, and expose them all, no matter who. He isn't the only one that is guilty.

ETA: I doubt this will happen, too many powerfull people around the world will go down.

I don't think you can necessarily go after everyone that supported him during his presidency. If they had not, they would have been killed. The top lieutenants and those that are carrying on the resistance do share some culpability though.

For many, the Nuremburg defense is still a valid one.

I don't mean by his foot soldiers, though if they qualify for war crime, they should go before lady justice, I'm talking about those who provided material and policy support while knowing that he is using those support in his crime against humanity.