If anyone does BRING IT ON...make sure you do it PRIVATELY! Cause, this is NOT the place!

Let's hear it for the REGULATOR!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif
Maybe it's the weather that has everyone so heated these days http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

Why is that people can't debate and others not take it so damn serious. I mean really if it doesn't concern you then don't worry about it. Why try and pick a fight about something that wasn't asked of you, what is that supposed to prove??

As for you AlphaChigirl YES you did say that she did not attend the church because her dad was a pastor at another church, I was just correcting you. Refering back to my sorors comment, I too would like to know why you or others like you choose to remove yourselves from something that is obviously a part of you. I'm not being funny, but I really am curious. I found out from reading in another forum that you were black. I don't know too many whites who would rush to the book store to purchase the Divine Nine. I hope it educated you and enlightened you on the Black Sororities and Fraternities.

And yes, I am senstive to certain issues and I don't mind asking questions!!!!!!!!!!

A general point of clarification:

I said "bring it on" in my last post as a critique of the way some people on this thread have been challenging others about their race/views/authority to give comment. I thought everyone had a right to give comment, including someone like me, critiquing the level of borderline stankness up in here. I am not trying to start a war. In fact, I don't think the topic is that dag-on serious (see aforementioned remarks about hyperventilating).

This whole notion that we should be spending time getting worked up about who said what is a little silly, given that none of this will accomplish any of the work we accuse sell-outs of not doing in our communities (or that many of us take pride in boasting we do).

I'm sure you all will appreciate my right to comment on other people's sentiments, as that's what a forum is for-at least my understanding of forums. And it's others' rights to take my words in whatever tone they'd like to. And on picking fights, I seem to remember a saying about pots calling kettles black (in reference to Sunshine14's "picking" with our sisterfriend from Alpha Chi Omega).

To answer the original question, no, I don't think one's political, social or fraternal affiliation should label one a sell-out, just like choice of hairstyle, mate, institution of higher learning or neighborhood constitutes such. A sell-out in my mind is one sitting on their butt complaining and not taking action (!), or using community resources and not putting back.

At a certain point, we all have a right to just be, and not ALWAYS be labeled based on our skin color. I find it odd that just like whites have automatic thoughts as to what black people should do or be based on their color, black folks themselves have this same notion, and some of us justify it by saying "well, that's how THEY are!" Like your Granny didn't teach you better-just cuz somebody else is doing something, don't mean you should!

Alright yall, I've beat this to death. Have a great weekend!



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Eclipse,

I agree with what you say. I do, however, want to make a minor clarification. Silence, as I used it, did not mean verbal only; inaction is silence also. A person can be quiet, yet not silent(in action). In the situation you mentioned in HR, you could choose option 3; yet take every step possible to get that undesireable person hired. THAT is not silence.

A big high-five and two snaps in a circle to DG! Go 'head girl, preach!

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle

As I said b4, if it doesn't concern you then don't worry about it. I'm sure if Alphachigirl had a problem with what was said she would have responded. I was posting both a question as well as correcting info that she had misquoted. I don't see a problem with that. I never used the words "bring it on", as if I was picking a fight over a small debate, those were your words. I feel in no way that I was being rude or disrespectful for asking a simple question. I never tried to pick a fight, I simply asked a question. It's funny how a simple debate b/w 2 or more people can be spoiled by ignorance on a topic that doesn't even concern that person. So I will say it again, if it doesnt' concern you and is directed at a specific person I don't expect anyone else to respond but that person. Whatever question I asked was not directed towards you, but to Alphachigirl. If she feels offended I'm sure she is capable enough to let me know. I have nothing further to say about this matter. I'm not a child and therefore will not go back and forth with ignorance that has nothing to do with the original post! The name calling really wasn't necessary, I was not the only one who asked her or anyone else a question, and that's all I will say about that. Moving on to another forum... Unfortunately Ignorance has overtaken this one!

Please remember the above the next time you come at me with a Dennis Miller-esque rant in response to items addressed to such folks as StraightBOS and Mandingo Nupe and not directly at you. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Happy hunting in finding that "EDUCATED" forum

RM

Uhhh...yeah. I was actually doing stuff and I didn't come back to the forum at all. All I will say is that where I got my information (in written form, and not just from alums from her chapter) is the December 22, 2000 issue of the Boston Globe. I guess if you know people who know her, your information is probably more detailed, and therefore more accurate.

There are many more things in this world that would offend me before I would allow an electronic bulletin board to do so.

I would NOT tell a white person who their role models should be because I have not idea what it is like to be white SO I would not tolerate a white person telling me who my role models should be because they are not Black. I would also take the same offense if a man told me who my female role models should be.

Since AlphaChiGirl IS Black, the point is mute.



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In a democracy, the 'minority' has a right to voice their grievances and the 'majority' has the responsibility to be responsive to the needs of the minority. Based on this premise, Blacks or other minority groups can voice what whites can't (and be PC). Even for those in the public eye, words coming from a Black person can be taken in a whole different slant (by EVERYONE) than the same exact words coming from a Black person. THIS IS A FACT.

Maybe I am being 'sensitive', but maybe you are not being 'sensitive' enough?




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See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. We are too easily offended. How many times have we fallen out of our collective seats laughing when a Black comedian tells jokes about White people? Let a White guy tell a joke about us and we'll call the NAACP or Tom Joyner to get a boycott started. How many of us are offended when a White person asks questions about our hair? Or if our skin tans?

Rather that be sensitive, I just respond, like I would to anyone else. If a White woman voiced her opinion to me about who she thinks is a good role model for Black girls, I wouldn't tell her she has no "business" discussing that. I would either agree or disagree, the same way I do with you all. White women have freedom of speech too. Who am I to tell them what they can have an opinion about. Whether we want to admit it or not, we have plenty of opinions about them. And we voice them. There's no reason to get sensitive when they do the same.

The irony of this whole discussion is these statements are made on a board for black GREEK lettered organizations which is inherently a Non-Afrikan entity and has nothing to do with the upliftment and liberation of Afrikan people worldwide... The concepts of ALL BGLO's and the fact that they are GREEK-Lettered means we have chosen to assimilate an europee-on's world view in organizational heirarchy... What was the underlying concept that formed our organizations that our founder's used???

A "SELL OUT" of Afrikan descent was historically one that was a slave in the "big house" that got the other slaves, especially the field negroes, in whipped by Massa or the overseer. That is how a caucasian woman, Harriet Beecher Stowe, described this man of Afrikan descent who lived on her family's plantation. Many of these author's that formulate these concepts clearly follow Dr. Sigmund Freud's ideology of psychology--it all stems from genital envy. It seems that Harriet Beecher Stowe sexually longed for this man of Afrikan descent who denied her... "And he never left the plantation even after his freedom papers and he is buried there..."

Most of you, including myself, have not completely connected with your Afrikan anscestry. Some of you have no plans to so and never wanted to. There is more to reaching an Afrikan Centered perspective than just having highly melanized skin, wearing braids or a 'fro or reading Afrikan Centered books... To begin to understand our Afrikan heritage is a spiritual journey that can't be beaten, genetically recombined nor assimilated/acculturated out. It is soooo spiritual that when you hear Jill Scott's music, "Can't get the way..." or "It's Love..." you feel the beats down to your soul and you HAVE to shake yo' groove thang... There is a reason for that. Chemically, melanin responds to the vibrations from sound. There are neuromelanins in your brain, in the pineal gland, that emit electronic and chemical messengers which cause this feeling when you hear a "good" hip hop tune. The Ashanti, the Twee, the Guyuki, the Ibo, the Nubians and the ancient KMT'ians knew about this effect. So when Haitians who practice the Voduon have a spirit possession ceremony, they call in the spirits by specific beats of their drums. You can't just randomly pound on drums because you will call-in "foul" spirits or the wrong one's--which means that if you understand this concept completely it explains the Columbine massacre... What kind of spirits does Marilyn Manson call up??? What you throw out into the universe, it will come back to you in various ways...

And for some of you, don't even say the Afrikan in amerikkklan churches don't do this... What was the basis of the AME founding!!! Yeah, right, Charles Weselynian and episcopalian doctrines... Okay... If that's what you want to believe...

KNOW AND UNDERSTAND YOUR HISTORY!!!

Although it may be debatable today, you are wrong in assuming all bglos, by being identified by greek letters intended to assimilate. I KNOW my frat, and what went on in the minds of our JEWELS when they selected our letters-and it had NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ASSIMILATION; thus our colors!

Dear Sweet Brother, http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

I think you are taking my statements the wrong way. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif If you choose to email me, I will further explain my point of view since I cannot discuss it at this forum...

Historically speaking, there is a reason for the careful selection of all the BGLO's actual letters. It has to do with the nature of "secret societies", exclusion because of Jim Crow and the development of the major civil rights organizations at least 90-100 years ago. If I look into my own organizations' history, I can find the major inspiration for the formation of my organization (you need to email me on this issue).

For other folks

I just also wanted to say that as far as Dr. Condelezza Rice's AChiO membership and her white house appointment, there is a reason why she has to be way she is and why we would labeled as "sellout"... There ain't no way that someone that will find out about any skirmishes around the globe with an "eye" in the sky within 15 minutes of is happening can LOOK, ACT and FEEL a particular way about their genetic and cultural heritage...

Just a little piece of information to think about...

And really... Atleast when I think about it more, I feel that the CBC sold me out when they just only spoke to Bush about their "hurt" feelings! Yeah, the folks in Florida were done really wrong... But you gotta ask why are we hearing anymore about the NAACP voting fraud inquiries headed by Kweisi Mfume? What was the end result? Is the NAACP suing somebody? What's up? I haven't heard too much about it lately... Then this Ashcroft confirmation... Ugggh!!!! I am beginning to think I outta switch my citizenship to the europee-on union's... At least their "Bill of Rights" sound really good...

Call me shamelessly optimisic, but I think irrespective of her hair texture, chosen sorority or even her choice of church, I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, until she shows me that she is a sell-out. We will soon see what her position is regarding people of the African diaspora, so we just have to wait & see.

Similarly to a lot of people that posted, I have come into contact w/blacks who wouldnt know they were black if they walked in front of a mirror, especially when I was in law school, which a MINORITY, not just black population of about 8%. But I found a few exceptions to the rule. Some of those people who pledged WGLOs andhung out w/ whites almost exclusively and talked about non-existent non-black heritage are just wounded children, and it's sad.

So, even if se proves herself to be a sell out, Aunt Jane, or whatever, I would tend to pity, rather than hate. Unforunately, she has the lives of our brothers and sisters around the world and , arguably here, in her hands.

You're right in being optimistic about Dr. Rice. We all should take a wait-n-see attitude. Also, I think folks just don't wanna another Clarence uncle Thomas or a psycho Ward Connerlly. IMHO, Alot folks here on this board, I have found, are tired of lip service that the Black Elite gives, then nothing's done afterward... The same phat pholks are running thangs and thangs ain't changed... But that's the cynic in me.

Moreover, those "sellouts" we observe may be in our own families... Having to deal with that myself, I have found that it's better to be skrait up and no holds barred... But we also have to take the onslaught afterward if we dish it out... Oh well. At this point, I have yet to care anymore...