They don't choose to be gay? So promiscuous women don't choose to sleep with a lot of men....it's just the way they are right? The way they were born? Afterall, why would ANYONE choose such a lifestyle that comes with so much negativity?

Sexy Mocha,


Hmmmmmmmmm!

Are you saying that they do or do not choose to be gay? I'm confused.

http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif I'm feeling you 100% Poplife.

Sexy Mocha, as I've said before, I respect everyone's opinions but if you are in fact saying that all homosexuals CHOOSE to be gay then I have to disagree. I know that with this on going focus on homosexuality, threesomes,etc. Many have become curious and jump on the bi-sexual band wagon. But IN MY OPINION some are born that way.

How many of you have seen a young boy who had very feminine movements and habits (Naturally) and their parents were like http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif "OH NO BOY!! YOU HAVE TO PLAY WITH TRUCKS!!"? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif This will continue to be an endless debate you guys, and we may never truly find an answer that will satisfy what we personally feel is right.:P

But please in the respect of the forum AGREE TO DISAGREE!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Soror Sexy Mocha et al:

I will state this yet again. My original post, in which I cited the example of my issue with undergraduate, unwed mothers pledging a sorority, is not an ideal belief, but, because I am human and subject to sin, I hold this belief. While I would never be unkind to a young woman in this position, I doubt that I would have ever cast a positive vote for her when I was an undergraduate making membership decisions about candidates. I posted extensively about this subject a while ago when there was a thread about such.

My comparison was that my belief was not a good thing, and neither is this generally-held belief that somehow it's okay to condemn gay people with this condescending pseudo-Christian double-speak of "I love my friend but not their sexuality." As if you, or anyone else, has the right to decide who is worthy of full acceptance and who is not. And as if your friend can abitrarily decide to be gay or straight. Or that somehow, hetereosexuals are the only ones entitled to have sex (a la the "it's okay to be gay, but don't ever have sex or think about settling down with someone special" teachings of many Christian traditions). But somehow, despite your unloving attitudes toward your fellow human beings who are trying to find their way, just like you, you can easily point out that somehow my thinking must be faulty, because I don't think that women running around and getting proof of such (as in the baby) AND trying to pledge a sorority while in school is cool. I'm trying to understand what qualifies you or any of the other "holier-than-thou" Christians on this board to make that judgement. I guess maybe you all think church is the "museum for saints" and not the "hospital for sinners" as I do. That's fine.

I happen to believe that most gay people do not choose to be so. Why would they? I have a very hard time believing that God would create people that are attracted to and love the same sex, only to condemn them, like most of their fellow SINNING humans do. I leave the judging to Him in this and other matters I do not get clear understanding from the Bible, as it is at times a contradictory document.

To me, the Bible offers no clear counsel on this subject, other than condemnation of the act of homosexuality, which, if any of you ever studied Greco-Roman history, was not the construct it is now. Men who were temple prostitutes and allowed other men to enter them were considered woman-like. To many of the ancients, the act of being like women was the true sin, not necessarily the sex. It is well-documented that many cultures, including the Greek and Roman ones, practiced homosexual sex as rites of passage and conquering acts of war. In fact, many armies took more pride in raping the men of a vanquished village than the women and children. It showed domination of the highest order. I say all this to say that there was no concept of loving the same sex or many other things we understand about our world now, back then.

Your argument that somehow people born gay and women or men who choose to sleep around are similar, and Soror Conskeeted's argument that gay people should be on the same "must avoid" list as criminals, is abhorrent to me, to say the least. But of course, you both are entitled to your opinions, as I am mine.

As I have stated in each and every post about this subject, I understand that my views on unwed mothers in college is not a Christ-like one. But I will not back down in my belief that neither are many of the views expressed in this thread about our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. I hope that I will continue to grow as a person and be more accepting of my fellow humans, as I cannot grant life, either in this life or the next.

I am done with this topic on this public forum. Soror Sexy Mocha, if you still do not understand where I am coming from, please email me.

Have any of you ever watched "Sex in the City"? Those girls are very close friends, but they don't all agree with the way one girl sleeps around.

This situation is just like having a promiscuous friend, or one who drinks too much, or one who talks behind other peoples backs. She's still your girl, you just dissagree on a particular issue that's all.

Sin is sin and we all do it. When it's all said and done we all answer to one judge.

Soror, I will definitely e-mail you because you're last post was more confusing to me than the previous ones. I'm left with the feeling that you're contradicting yourself about a lot of things. In essence, you're doing the exact things you're accusing others of. The self-righteous, who-do-you-think-you-are, holier than thou, How-could-you-say-such-things labels you are placing on others...can, and DO easily apply to you as well. We have to understand that a lot of times in life people WILL have opinions that differ from ours. We have to learn to accept that and move on. We can not force our beliefs on others.

Soror Discogoddess,

I did not say stay away from gays. My friend is gay and I love her. We spend a lot of time together. I simply prefer not to become bossom buddies with her partner. After saying that I must echo you by saying that I too am finished with this topic.

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I originally had a long post but I got erased. I do God's will and on one elses. please read my post again and see where what I was REALLY SAYING, I im the opinion of others am not self righteous and to be called so is truly a sign that I am doing my job of preaching the gospel, Jesus offended many in his day that were self-righteous and living according to the law and theie OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS... I hope I have not offended you, but in any case I wouldn't change a word I said when it comes to abortion, homosexuality or any other issue. you cant go aroung sugarcoating the gospel. It is raw and direct and it convicts people to their hearts. It may seem that Jesus was self righteous but in fact He was the WORD made flesh. Many blessings greekchat... the Boggie Down Bronx, Jesus Freak has said her peace. My panties are unbunched http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

most respectfully yours,

Diva_56

This will be my last post on this particular topic as I have already agreed to disagree with you on religious subject matter.

When I was a spring chicken like yourself I was also very judgemental. But over time I have gained some spiritual maturity and have learned, and am still learning, not to be that way. It does take time and hopefully it will happen for you.

As usual, I am at work and don't have a Bible with me so I will have to paraphrase. I am sure you know the story of the woman that was caught in the act of adultery and brought to Jesus to be punished. What did Jesus say to the people that busted her? And more importantly, what did Jesus say to her? Did he take that opportunity to remind her of all of her wrongdoings? Did he start preaching or ministering to her right then and there? Did he tell her that she would be punished for her actions on Judgement Day?

If memory serves me correctly I believe he told her go and sin no more. Point blank. End of story. No big lecture. No song and dance. That's the bottom line.

If you believe that beating people over the head with the dos and don'ts of Christianity is Christ-like, then by all means, knock yourself out. In the above example, Jesus didn't do that, so neither will I. If you think that is "sugarcoating the Word", all I can say to that is you are entitled to your own opinion.

Stay blessed. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif

The one big difference in you preaching the "gospel" Diva_56 and Jesus preaching it is.........YOUR NOT JESUS!!!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif


HOW WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE THE ONES WE SHOW LOVE TOO! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Interesting . . .

This topic has sparked some interesting debate. I suggest that we must be realistic. We are only human and regardless of what we say, we do have opinions and feelings regarding lesbians, gays, unwed mothers, drugusers, etc. Many of us will tip tow around the issue(s) and say everything is cool. Others will state their displeasure. I believe if you don't care for a behavior one should say so but still be respectful to the individual. Personally, I disagree with several of the choices my friends and family members make. However, I've come to learn that their issues are not mine and therefore I try to spend very little time examining someone else's habits and lifestyles. I can only tell another what I prefer.

"Life is about choices - Sometimes me make good decisions and other times we make bad decisions."

Whoa http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif did I ever say I was Jesus? Are you Jesus? If me posting on this board my opinion (with some scripture added to prove a point) is offensive so be it. Jesus Loves You anyway!!! "gospel"?????? But of course none of my buisness... as for me being a spring chicken, Jeremiah had the same concerns and Jesus told him this:

Jeremiah 1:7-9
"But the LORD said to me, 'Do not say, `I am only a child.' You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you.
Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you,' declares the LORD.
Then the LORD reached out his hand and touched my mouth and said to me, 'Now, I have put my words in your mouth.'"


Your neither too old or too YOUNG to preach the "gospel" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I don't pick and choose family because it is not in my power to do (and I do love them dearly) so. But I am entitled to whom I spend time with and choose to associate with, see... me nor you will ever give back to a human the love that Jesus is giving to us. Thats what makes me and you NOT JESUS.