Read the first post in this thread.

Really? Because I was under the impression that it impares your judgement and therefore makes you do things you wouldn't normally do, not bringing out the beast from within. Maybe for some people your statement is true, but it isn't true for everyone. I'm an alcoholic in a sense. When I'm out with my friends I can't have just one or two drinks, I have to have 8-12. I'll get sent to the bar and come back with 15 shots for 3 people. I'm a firm believer in doing things right if you're gonna do it at all.
At the same time, I'm actually a lot nicer when I'm drunk. I give money to the poor crack heads outside the clubs. I even give whatever left over cigs I have to the prostitutes that try to pick us up after we leave the club. When chicks call me up all upset because some guy did this or that to them that night, I actually listen to them and not hang up. I don't call women whores or sluts when I'm drunk. I'm very nice and in the past year it hasn't been because I just wanted to get into some girls panties. I don't know why I'm nice when I'm drunk, I just am.

Dude, with greek chat being how it is.....this is not a good idea. I'd delete your post asap.


And don't fall into any of the traps kddani tries to set for you.

I didn't say alcohol brings out the beast in everyone, I said it magnifies what's in you. Some people are so shut down on the inside because they've been hurt or rejected that they need alcohol to extend loving kindness to people.

That being said--your self-described comments of not being able to stop at a few drinks and needing 8 to 12 are a red flag-brother. I don't call that "doing it right". I call that a problem.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cashmoney
[B]Dude, with greek chat being how it is.....this is not a good idea. I'd delete your post asap.

thanks man but i didnt say what kind of hazing and we have lasted a long time and no one has been able to prove anything thats why you need to keep activities in the house, but like i said thanks for the lookout

I don't know if I'd call it a problem or not. On one hand it'd be a problem if I went out all the time and was being like that, but don't really go out anymore. I don't have the time. It's maybe one night a week, if that. And you can thank being in a fraternity for the way I drink, amongst many other "problems".

Hazing is much different today than it was many years ago!

Getting you ass beat with a paddle and yelling "Thank You Sir, May I have Another, is rather out of dated!:o

When I started the Local, my first words were,"There Will be no hazing".

But we did have The Then Pledges come to the House on Sat. Mornings and do a clean up job on the common areas of the House!

They were made to attend study times to learn the History and to get grades.

There was "NO" physical abuse of any kind! I guess I was way ahead of my time!:cool:

Within the school Year, we were Colonized by LXA, and in talking wth the second in command, the idea of Pledge was going to be changed to New Associate member, no hazing was to be allowed. Worked for me as that is exactly what I had in mind!

Now, if you like to get your butt beat with a paddle, locked into a small room to think, then, you have another think coming!

Risk Management has become one of the Biggest Liabiliatys in National Greek Organizations. Insurance costs.

If you have any doubts that it still goes on, look up in the search at the bottom right for hoosier postings! It talks about a lot of Greek Chapters Kicked off of csampi and having thier Charter Yanked!:(
If you will perjur youself for the sake of your Fraternity when someone is hurt, they what kind of Brother are you?
Yes, and LXA has had its share even today!:(

If you think I am happy, you are very sadly mistaken! It sickens me!:mad:

cashmoney and Imthechamp, that is why you are not a Moderator.:rolleyes:

Excuse me? I didn't ask him what chapter he was from, I don't give two sh!ts.
What gives you the right to jump all over me in 2 different places in this thread where I said nothing to warrant it at all? Get off my back. I don't talk to you, I don't usually even participate in any threads that you are a part of. Or at least have the balls to say who you really are...

/hijack

I wasn't trying to judge--just looking out for you. :)

Don't go blaming the fraternity for the way you drink--you made the choice to participate, and there's help available if you can't stop.

Well you're apart of this one, now aren't you? And this is my thread, isn't it?

Thanks for being an up and up AOPi ;). In contrast, though, I have every right to blame my frat for making me become the drinker I am today. I was actually a good kid before I got in a fraternity. I never even tasted alcohol while in high school. I maybe smoked weed once or twice. I didn't drink until I got to college and joined my GLO, after that it was all she wrote. I don't think it's bad enough for me to go get help. I'm not going to an AA meeting when I don't have to.

cashmoney, while I do agree with kddani on manythings , and disagree with her on manythings, I disagree with you more!:p

Tom Earp, I'm fine with that.:cool:

kddani: Brava! You can break it down like no other.

On a separate note, the man has a point here. What I don't get is people who see pledges being hazed on their campus, turn around and join that org, then get their panties in a bunch when the same is done to them. Crazy.

But how much hazing, especially physical hazing, is done out in the open? I had no idea who hazed on my campus until I became a part of the Greek system and saw my friends going through it with their pledge classes.

I can't believe some of the things I'm reading on this thread. I know that "I didn't go through it so I don't understand," but I CANNOT BELIEVE that anyone would condone or justify physical hazing. Someone made a good point back that while interviews and scavenger hunts are generally harmless, that's usually what makes way for physical and psychological hazing, which no one deserves. So in order to stop this "slippery slope," any sort of hazing needs to be banned.

I want my sister to respect me for the person I am and the things I have done in the past to make her sorority what is today, not because I told her she was worthless and made her drink until she blacked out.

You are right. I was thinking more the public humiliation route of hazing. There have been many tales about pledges being forced to dress crazy, do line-ups on campus, etc... that would make me NEVER want to join a group like that. Maybe I'm going down a slippery slope thinking, "Well, if the group does this to you in public, what would they do in private?"

I agree with you Moxiegrrl i completly disagree with the public humiliation route of hazing some groups on our campus do that and i wouldnt want to be a part of that either. Why would you want to make an ass of yourslef in public to me it just makes the whole organiztion look bad. But i disagree with Lil' Hannah. If you have no hazing at all then joining a GLO would be just like joining a ski club all you have to do is show up and pay your dues. There should be more to joining then that.

So those of us who joined a GLO that doesn't haze just joined a ski club???? D'oh! Wish someone would've told me that. I don't even ski!

I think everyone here, regardless of whether they were hazed or not, can agree that there's A LOT more to joining a GLO than paying dues. There is more to a GLO than paying dues, and there's more to it than being hazed or hazing new members. And if you don't realize that, then I really pity you for not having a true greek experience.

I'd strongly disagree with this. We do not haze at my chapter. Period. However, I'd challenge you to find a house that hazes and is any more tight than we are. I'd wager most on here were not hazed. Are you calling us members of the ski club?

I was never hazed. Nor have I ever witnessed any hazing within my group. I am pretty sure our founders were never hazed, I see no reason why our new members should be.

::sigh::

First, please don't ever belittle my sisterhood or my organization like that. But just as us who haven't been hazed can't understand your experience, you can't understand the experience of those of us who bonded over love and laughter, instead of pain and humiliation.

And by the way, I was a member of the ski club at my school, and never once did I cry in front of the whole club because I thought what we were a part of was such a beautiful thing.

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Ummm...ooooooooookay!! With all the haze-free things my org did, that would be one complicated-ass ski club!!!!!

I didn't bond over love and laughter. Then again I'm not in a sorority, I was in a Frat.

Was?

Although my organization does not haze and is not known for such activity, I would be lying if i said i NEVER saw it. It wasnt like people were forced to do it but were, lets say looked down on if they did not partake in the event. BUT this isnt a greek problem like everyone thinks it is.....i can go to any party (rugby, lacross, football) ANY and the same things are going down there but now its in all fun?! Bottom line: If you DONT wanna do it then DO DO IT stand up for yourself..no one is making you.

Yea, we got in a little trouble.

hmmm, I know correlation is not causation, but...

I pledged in the mid-60's, and there was certainly hazing during that era. And there was Hell Week.

More recently, I have advised chapters that don't haze.

I do not see any indication that hazing makes a group any closer together or brotherhood any stronger.

But that argument does make breaking the law and the rules of your organization easier to justify -- at least among yourselves.

I don't think they have a chapter here in Colorado.

You could charter one! Then you could be like Tom Earp and go "DA, was chapter founder!"

I'm in agreement 100%...Matter of fact, it broke up my sisterhood...It's devastating to the morale of the chapter as a whole and the members who make up that chapter...

Maybe it could be a big secret and get shown on TV. We could call it "The Broken Skull and Bones Society."

The only hazing would be making oldtime skiers stay on the same slope with a bunch of snowboarders.

Oooh fun! And making me ski. ;)

You could be the one who has go save seats for all of us in the lodge. Now that would be hazing. Everyone would be yelling at you.

Do I get a cabana boy?

And more importantly, can I haze him?

I don't think ski lodges have cabana boys, Kath.

You're probably right, BUT............

They do have Ski Instructors!!!!!!!

I'm happy to subject myself to getting yelled at for the good of the group.

And of course, the chance for a date.............:D :p LOL

Ho ho ho...they will do!

Great sorority sisters think alike! ;)