Blaine is too busy being Lord of the Blings to be King of GC.

Ok ok, let's all put aside the fact that cashmoney's using a pseudonym for two secs....I actually think their post brought up a couple good points.
This is kind of a random post with two opposite sides, so bear with me....:rolleyes:

Personally, I think there are people who take GC way too seriously. Yes, it's a public board, you have the right not to be flamed when you post your opinion, etc. But the converse of this is that is is a PUBLIC board. On the INTERNET. Everyone else on here has the right to make comments, however smart ass they may be. Don't get me wrong, when someone's posted a thread about being overweight or something its out of line to make fun of them. But that's human nature, and whether it be here or in "real life" some people are going to have less class than others. Your 'right not to be flamed' is not a GC right, but a societal one...Its not ok to do, but where do you draw the line??? I guess my irritation lies in those who are way too sensitive for their own good. As of late I feel like I can't say certain things, because someone will whine about it not being fair or not PC.

In addition, I think we have some fabulous mods on the boards. Even in the face of some of the trashiest assholes on the board, they have held their head up and spoken respectably, most importantly adhering to GC policies. There are many of you who are great examples of class, and I really respect you.
However, I find it incredibly ironic that we ban people who are only on the board to cause trouble, yet 2 mods on this board (that I know of) lie about their names, ages, GREEK AFFILIATION and an array of other things, but we're just delighted to have them here. If they were my brother or sister I would be outraged. I've talked about this before, it is this double standard that exists on GC. Except in most ppl's minds its the "popular and mods" vs. those who don't post that much....and in mine its the mods who pm people and threaten to ban them (which they cannot do), vs. everyone else. Its gotten to the point where some people know what's going on and don't do anything, I say something and look like an idiot or an instigator, new people come on and think the place is hostile, it really just makes you not care and not want to post.

Sorry if this seems out of line, just my lengthy 2.5 cents.

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Cry Me A River

Re: Hierarchy on GC?
 

Funny, I thought I was chosen as a Moderator because I have been a good contributor of GC, been fair, and have not caused (huge :)) problems on here. I didn't know that I was chosen because I used to "fight" with UF_Pike....if that were the credentials needed to be a Moderator then I would have been chosen sooner than I had been...

I'll answer you in the order of each paragraph:

It's not about my feelings or what-not. A) it was an implied threat, if you didn't have moderator status then nobody would have understood the comment and b) I highly doubt most members on GC actually know you, the way you portray yourself on GC sends out an image as to what you're like. Somebody who registered today could have read that comment and thought you were anal towards someone who spoke their mind. It's kinda like being greek, you have a positive image to uphold as a moderator. And as for the banning comment it really wouldn't matter, I'd just get a new name.

The list:

You break the rules, you suffer the consequences. The terms of agreement are set by John. Repremanding should take place for anyone who breaks the rules, no matter which ones they break or who the person is. The person who has been a member of GC for 2 months, should his/her post be given less lienentcy because he hasn't been around as long as person X? NO! Thats wrong! Thats basically saying a newcomers opinions and feelings don't mean squat when compared to say, someone like yourself.

If someone has BEEN here for a long time and lets say they get into a mudslinging contest with a newcomer and they both start going at it, whats there to discerne? They broke the rules. Ban them both. The individual who's been here for a long time knows the rules but thinks that since they have seniority they can get away with things, the person whos the new comer should have read the rules before they clicked the agree button. There should be nothing to debate in that situation. If either of them want to come back they can then get a new screen name. Maybe next time they'll play by the rules. That goes for profanity or flamatory posts, which are both on the "Not allowed" list.

Threads do get locked, some screen names tend to have more threads locked than others. I would think that if administration actually stood behind it's word/code of conduct on here, ZetaAce and other mods would have a lot less work to do deleting posts. Once people started getting banned for not being good people would then learn to play nice and there would be no need for moderators. Yet, I can understand that John would be busy banning people and would probably loose whatever hair he still has left. So, maybe then he should designate 3 other individuals who would then assist him in banning rule breakers. Discerning the banning would be simple, if you break any of the rules your gone.

Truth alert! Great post...

Someone call me a cab - looks like the curtain's coming up on some DRAMA and I don't want to be late

I agree. He is "provoking" other people.

The one thing I would like to know is why I can't ignore a mod. I have big issues with this one.

Re: Re: Hierarchy on GC?
 

Nodbody said that. In no way did anyone say that. Don't make things up or twist what I said. You're totally missing the message and point I'm trying to make clear.

Re: Re: Hierarchy on GC?
 

Shoot, if the credentials to be a mod were fighting with UFPike, over half this board would be mods :)

Sorry guys, I'm going to double-post here - please don't ban me!

Look dude/dudette, whoever you are - take off the sock-puppet account name, and tell us what the hell got your goat. Your rules are ridiculous - and here's why:

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN BANNED IN THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR?

You probably don't even have to take off your socks to count that high. It's just not a problem, it's a non-issue, NO ONE should even be giving it a second thought. The 'old regulars' aren't out to get you, the mods aren't out to get you - don't be a douche bag, and soon you'll be one of us. Word?

word.

This isn't an attack so don't take it as such. But who or what gives you the authority to say what is right or wrong on this site? John runs the site, John pays for the site, so to sum, John says what does and does not go. Since John does pay for this site, and I don't see any of us paying a membership fee, I think he is entitled to handle the site in a manner in which he sees fit.

I don't much agree in banning people, even those that I do not care for. UF pike was the ultimate exception. Just the way he talked and acted toward some of the female members should have had him banned. But he was given chances, and still kept at it. That is how he was banned in the end. Only to come back again, still given more chances and when those were gone, he was banned again. ONLY to come back a third time, I think we see the pattern here.


In all, John makes the final decision in everything.

Cashmoney
 

People on here do know me, and do know each other because a lot of us converse off of GC too. If you are a faithful member under a different name, you would know that.

Personally I'm not going to say another word about defending Billy anymore because we obviously don't see eye-to-eye.

It seems to me, from your list, you would only be happy if there were a strict set of guidelines that were followed all the time? Am I correct? If that is so, then tell me, what sort of environment would that make? I'm just curious because you talked about this not being a fun environment NOW, then what sort of BIG BROTHER environment would this be if you suggest we ban everyone who messes up?

And furthermore, like you said, "I'd just get another name". So what does that solve?

I honestly don't understand where you're coming from. You either are someone on here who has had posts edited, threads deleted, or been banned...OR, you just like to argue?!?! I don't know? If you have a problem, and are like the first person I suggested, then you need to take your issues up with John. He is the ONLY person that can help you. If you have been banned before and warned and don't agree with it, then I suppose you're not agreeing to the rules John has set forth, so why should the rules you're suggesting be considered?

Just something to think, nothing personal okay :)

LOL and ditto.

Haha, I saw that and I was like "Kiwi is going to go crazy."

Also, Kiran and I aren't the same person, contrary to popular belief. zntke711 jokingly stated it in chat, and some other people apparently thought it was true - but trust me, we aren't the same person.

I definitely agree with everything said here also...especially the mods that take behavior that should obviously be kept in the "mod's corner" or whatever it is called and bring it on to the boards by calling people out. This goes back to wanting to have the ability to ignore mods, but hey, for what I pay for GC, I'm getting a pretty good deal. ;)

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A+++ post of the year.

LOL at the sock-puppet reference.

GP, I know we talked about the ignoring mods before, and I tried and was able to do it (this is before I was a mod) but another poster couldn't. We came to the conclusion that it was some sort of glitch in the GC system. If you want, you can try to ignore me and see if it works. :p I'll even PM you.

Thanks Amy-Good looking out.

Deja-I'll never forget.

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahah ahahahahhahahahaaahahahahahahahahaahhhahahhahaahah haahahahha

Hmmm, spoken directly from a guy who was banned before!!!!

LOL! Maybe CashMoney needs to sit down with you and watch some Little Mermaid ;)

i am cashmoney ;)

And I'm the V's...so what?

:(

I needed a good laugh today. I agree with what others have said. If you have problems with a mod or anyone else pm John. He is the owner / admin. He makes the calls and choosed ban who he feels he needs to. It's his right since he owns it. Mods may give their opinon to John if someone should be banned but he has to decided by what he see's throught what people say and the actual post that bothered people.

AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *pause for breath* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Oh, I do love a good intrigue.


-winks, and blushes at Billy-


And, Blaine's mistress definately get's his best, I think. A private, Scandalous affair. -yum-

I love you, Blaine. -wink-


Jess

Seriously cashmoney,

if you were someone who has been on here since the ufpike incident went down, don't you think your opinion would carry more weight with us if you used your original name?

I mean, if i was going to post something controversial that i just wanted people to blow off, i'd create the screenname StewieGriffin and post about how i hate hippie liberals and Victory will be Mine.

However, if i had a serious issue with something being done on GC, you can bet your ass i'd use the screenname that i've used for the past year, the one that other GC's have gotten to know me and my personality by. Like it or not, in any group the established members carry more weight than the new ones.

IMO, the reason why established members can get away with more is because they've posted for awhile and the rest of us know that they're here for good as well as bad. They may have their bad days, or have the issues that make them a little nuts, but for the most part, day in and day out, they are positive contributing members to this site. Newbies that get on GC and immediately start talking trash don't bring any positive things to GC in my opinion. They're just like the annoying people in your chapter who are too lazy to contribute but enjoy sitting in the back row spouting insults and starting trash.

Lastly,

props to champ for the 'lord of the blings' pic, that was freakin hilarious.

Kitso
KS 361 balls you need to sack up and post this under your true screenname.

OMG I love Stewie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/hijack


ETA: you all know this is one of those threads that will go down in GC history, that we will drag up a year from now to laugh at :)

What the deuce?

Kitso
KS 361 times your matriarchal oppression will not stand!

Good point, Blaine. I'm not telling people whats right and whats wrong. The rules are simple and clear cut. I just think there's a weak stance behind the rules of the site. If some rules apply to some people but not to others, then maybe the terms of agreement should be changed and reworded to appropriately fit the acceptable code of conduct on GC. It doesn't make sense to say one thing but mean another, right? I think the current rules are just a cop out and a way of justification for getting rid of people or deleting certain members posts and that if you get in good with certain crowds on GC you have somewhat of a free for all to a certain extent. And it sucks. It's not fair. ZetaAce has posted the code of contact and rules of the site far more than I can remember, time and time again I see how many of people here ( no names) dodge repremandation or don't have anything said to them publicly. I kinda get the feeling that some people think it's about UFpike-IMthechamp-theV's or other previous trouble makers, but it's not. It's about the image we portray to non-regulars, lurkers and visitors to the site. What does that say about us? In this thread itself I meant to actually talk about this issue seriously. Still there are many who are far from any serious conversation in their replies, moderators included. And since a lot of mods are the ones responding in this thread I guess I could take this time to throw in my .02 cents on how some moderators make the others look bad.

Mods are supposed to be serious, they are on a different level from the regular GC user. With greater power comes a different level of responsiblity and thus a different level of appropriate behavior is called into play. You don't see Zeta Ace, IowaHawkeye, bucutie, Amycat, most recently James, OTW and a few others pulling some of the stuff that other no-named mods pull. Why, may you ask? Because they understand that people on the site actually look to them for many different things and in the process take them seriously. Again, it's not just some mods who get away with a lot of stuff but it is also quite a few regular users. All I'm saying is that a lot of crapp on the chit-chat forum that has been going on is making the rest of GC look bad and since a lot of you know each other and have actually met one another, do you not care what others think of you? Sure you can say it's just the internet but many people look at this as real life, I can name a few users and mods who have said publicly that GC and/or certain people on this site have affected their life or the life of their friends. At the same time some of those people and/or mods are the very reason for this thread. Each and every one of us is apart of this site, all I'm hoping for is that some people clean up their act a little bit and everyone be treated the same.

Cashmoney
 

I'm PM'ing you...

See, more and more I really feel like you are talking about me, if you are, just say it. Yes, I have met ppl on this site that have affected me. Yes I have met ppl on this site that I do consider friends. No matter what, everyone sees me as the same. As those that have met me, I can be nice in person, but I can be up front and speak my mind as well, which is what I tend to do on Greek Chat.

You say that mods should act seriously? All the time? Everyday? They shouldn't be allowed to comment on certain things or have a good laugh here or there because they are supposed to be serious? That's bs. That's like saying a chapter president should be serious and not have fun. I don't buy it. I do speak my mind and I always will. If I don't make it onto your list of "nice mods" I can accept that, I really can. I'm really not that bad of a guy and I think most people on here know that, if all don't I'm sorry but I can't change that, nor do I want to. I don't wish to be liked by all, that would be living a fantasy.

As for your nice mods, yes, they are a nice bunch, I think all mods are nice. But to say that none of them have flown off the handle is kind of funny? OTW used to stick it to me a lot before I became a mod :)

On top of it, this is all your opinion of what a mod should be, John has his opinion, and the mods have theirs.

cashmoney, pm heading your way ;)

Hey, I'm a nice mod! :)

See, we mods are just like GCers. We get angry and offended by what others post. Like the GCers, we think a lot of posters are jerks, troublemakers, etc. But, since we are mods, *most of us* hold ourselves to higher standard and try not to get involved. Sometimes, though, it's hard not to. When someone is attacking you personally or someone says something that really hits home, it's hard not to get emotions involved. I don't think there's a single mod out there who's not guilty of lashing out at another member. Even some of the mods you put on your nice list have lashed out from time to time.
It's not to say that it's right of us. It's just hard to take a backseat sometimes when you feel that a flame is directed at you personally.

Are You Greek

No, I'm not singeling you out Blaine. But I do think that if you are a mod that you should take into consideration you aren't only representing yourself but also your fellow mods. It's the same as representing your chapter. And the chapter presidents that I have met are usually are really straight edged. They don't do some of the stupid stuff other members do because they know that they, above anyone else, represent their chapter more than anyone. I know your not a bad guy, but what about those who don't know you and see you going on and on like you did with decadence? Calling things like you see them isn't a bad thing, but UFpike did the same thing. I'm not comparing you to UFpike or any other trouble maker because you don't strike me personally as a trouble maker. But, sometimes it's better to hold your tongue rather than speaking your mind. If everyone spoke their mind on here there would be more people banned or more posts delted than what there currently are. That in turn brings me back to what I stated before, some people can speak their mind within a certain limit and not suffer the consequences that others are dealt.

ZTAngel I agree with much you've said....but I think it's important to recognize that this thread isn't an "us" vs. mods thing....i mean, part of it is to some people, but there's a whole other problem going on as far as respect and people not agreeing with the GC rules.

Let's face it, any time there are rules, someone is going to disagree or be pissed off b/c they're not how they would like it to be.

The issue I brought up was just the honesty thing....how can we expect to get along and have a working lil "community" or whatever the hell you want to call it, when there's so much bullshit and lies being spread? And some of that carries over into being against certain mods, b/c while they are more than entitled to express their opinion, get angry, be sarcastic/funny, in other words, human , they shouldn't be threatening banning and lying about who they are. That isn't fair.

But good sir, I do hold my tongue, I dont' always "speak my mind" in every instance. For the most part I do hold myself to a higher standard and I have been the person to put a stop to a quarrel a few times. I often post pretty decent topics and I have some pretty nice replies I think. That doesn't mean that I should act accordingly every second of my day.

Yes pike did speak his mind, he liked to call womein "bitches and tricks and the like."
I never have. I don't go around calling people 'Fu#*ing this and Fu#*ing that." and to be honest, the whole thing with decadence, I posted a picture, nothing more. I thought it was funny because to be honest he was getting annoying. He decided to call me an asshole, well, I didn't hold my tonuge, but I didn't continue to call him a "fu#8 this or fu#8 that."

Not everyone is going to be satisifed with GC. Some people like it the way it is and some don't. We can't make everyone happy.


And please don't compare me to UF Pike again, i'm nothing like he is/was.

Some people get banned and have posts deleted because they say things that shouldn't have been said. I know one of the times pike was banned, after it was a mass bulidup, he said "fat rice eating mouth" to a girl that was asian. Not called for.

I know you're a nice mod, ZTAngel. The mods on the so called "nice" list were just the ones off of the top of my head. Yet, you don't see them lashing out anymore. I think some mods as well as regular GC users, who in the past lashed out at people, have come to realize a few things that others have not and have since cleaned up their act.



I'm not posting anything else about moderators from here on out. The last thing I want is to be bashing the leaders of this site. The comments on the moderators were just a few things I had on my chest and I wanted to dump it all off. I know it sounds like I'm whining, but I feel like users need to know what some people are seeing these days in this forum. That is all.