Re: this is true in some glo orgs though
 

It's NOT always true. It is NOT true with SAI, or many other GLOs.

I'm sorry your "brotherhood" is so shallow that you can't look beyond the surface and accept a guy for who he is and get to know him. I'm sure you're passing up some awesome potential brothers by doing this.

And as far as a sorority on a campus that the criteria to join is being beautiful...if I knew a sorority had this policy, I'm sorry, but I wouldn't even consider joining.

Sorry, but you don't have a CLUE what REAL brotherhood and sisterhood is all about. I can't speak for what Sig Ep stands for, but in SAI, we believe in LOVE. As in loving our sisters for the wonderful, special people they are, NOT for how pretty they are, rich they are, thin they are, etc. Too bad you can't do the same.

That's not necessarily true. Some girls just don't really care about clothes that much.

I think a few of you are not thinking of something. Girls that are fat because of cumpulsive eating are LONELY, nine times out of ten. And a sorority could be the best thing in the world for them. I speak from experience. I used to be a compulsive eater, and because of it, I was 60 pounds overweight. I was lonely and depressed. ANd then SAI came along...and they loved me anyways! I'm so glad they didn't look at my weight as a factor in giving me a bid.

And, uwwsweetie, this makes me ask again: what does it MATTER that a potential new member is overweight?

Re: this is true in some glo orgs though
 

nooo, dude. please open your teeny tiny closed mind. there IS a world outside Gainesville. I'm sure there are some butt ugly DG's (just as in every other NPC) and believe me, I know some Sig Eps that wouldn't even walk past the gym let alone do anything athletic. maybe that is the way your chapter is, but your org is a helluva lot bigger than your chapter. If you can't realize that and can't accept your brothers from other schools that aren't "the best" in your shallow view, maybe you should resign your membership.

Re: Re: this is true in some glo orgs though
 

Ditto to this...and SigEp_Stud, seriously, simmer down. You've got "unattractive" brothers and "dorky" brothers and you are making a great fraternity out to be jerks. :rolleyes:

I think there are different ways to think of this.

I think that our society is still immature. Fortunately, many people have outgrown ignorance and intolerance. Unfortunately, some haven't.

The obvious intolerance would be that of racism. We have come a long way, but still not far enough. Even religious intolerance has come quite far, yet still people showed their ignorance after 9-11.

But one form of hate that is almost still considered "safe" or "acceptable" by society is that which is directed towards overweight people. I am not one. I am a small girl. But one of my best friends from waaaaaaaay back in grade school, and from church is extremely overweight. She always was, from childhood. And she ate better than I did! At her house, even a dolop of ketchup was measured, to control calories for her whole family, who all have weight issues. She cannot help it. She is an amazing woman and friend. She is one of the coolest people I have known and definitely one of the funniest!

When she went to college, she majored in music (just like me) and found a wonderful sisterhood in Tau Beta Sigma. The stories she tells!! She had a great time! With people who love her for who she is!

So I think about this. Would she have gotten into a social sorority if she had rushed an NPC? I dunno. And that makes me pissed! I think that groups are willing to take an overweight girl. The catch is: They are not willing to risk showing others that they would!

"If we invite her back, then all the rushees will look and say, 'this sorority's rushees are not as cute as the ones in the other parties I went to'. And then the guys might not invite us to have mixers...and you KNOW what happens to sororities who have little or no mixer bids....." blah, blah, blah...

I think that SUCKS!!!!!! Anyone looked at your alums lately? Are they all Miss America? Probably some of them are....*gasp* FAT!!!!!!!

Anyone looked at yourselves lately? OMG, some of you are overweight too!

And I don't even want to get into how many people I know have had lipo, breast jobs, nose, ears, you name it!

Why can't we just all be who we are and love each other and not care about what others think!?

I am getting a little rambley in my post, so I will close by saying that the panhellenic creed (a creed for ALL NPC orgs) says nothing about size dammit!:cool:

That is all...;)

dzsaigirl, I have PMd you :)

SAIrose....we did have SAI; I just wasn't sure if that is what is was. I actually ended up joining Mu Phi Epsilon which is a music fraternity. I guess SAI is for girls, I believe it is Phi Mu Alph which is for guys, and Mu Phi Epsilon - co-ed. No house though, so don't anyone go getting excited.

Now about that weight thing.......you are all having a decent discussion; it seems like you realize that what is good in one person's eyes isn't always the same in another. I would have to say that most of my days at college I was probably about 20 pounds overweight. However.....I did get a bid from DG so.....go figure!

I've seen "stuff your face fatties" that are amazingly well put together and dress wonderfully, carrying designer bags and whatnot.

I've seen motivated and healthy eating fat women that dress like grungy slobs or any other number of things.

In my bigger days, I ran the gamut from being well put-together in couture to scrubbing it in sweats. The only reason I was ever overweight is because of hypothyroidsim.

You can't really tell. I'm sure you'd like to think you can, but you can't.

You can't tell what an overweight person is like by the way they dress, no more than you can tell what a thin person is like by the way they dress.

All I was saying with the concern about overweight people was that: I would seriously consider them on basis of personality above all, since I know that overeating is indeed a compulsive disorder stemming from loneliness. I know, because I suffer from it too.

HOWEVER I reserve the right to express my concern over NMs and actives who moan and groan and do nothing to show they've tried. I would care if I knew of medical problems their family suffered from (in which case I'd go into ultra-mommy mode- I swear, I need a pet to channel my energies into) If they keep to a healthy diet and exercise but still can't bring their weight down, then more power to them for being healthier than some of my skinnier sisters.

At the same time, those who don't eat healthily enough, either in variety or quantity, often find themselves being gently coaxed into an extra dish of much needed nutrients. We had a bulimic sister who subsisted on nothing but doritos and diet coke. This was of HUGE concern to everyone and we did our best to help her.

I think I'm meandering here, but I'll say it again: I don't care about the weight of PNMs (if I worried about everyone I came across I'd be exhausted), but once they become my sisters, they're family. And being family means you do your best for one another.

I'm glad everyone on here is openminded. That SigepStud guy has, unfortunately, a point: I love SigEps as much as anyone, but on some campuses looks are indeed a factor. Isn't that at least partially true at the uber competitive schools? I'm guessing from the all the comments on GC about huge southern rushes, since I go to school in the north.