THIS SAYS IT ALLLLLLLLLLL!
 

AMEN!
AMEN!
AMEN!

^^^^^5s

All I can say is
 

I hope he dresses lightly to avoid sweating!

Re: All I can say is
 

I hope he brought his sunscreen:cool:

Well if i came in here and started saying things bad about your dead grandfather would you all be mad. Thats how i feel about you all saying things about Brother Thurmond. He was a pillar of America and showed change from his days as a segregationist. Please let me know when some one you like dies so i can come and say bad things about him.

We have to give this person props for crossing the RR tracks. Make sure you come back to the forum. WE WELCOME ALL!

Regarding your "what ifs" Whatever man, whatever!

The thing is I, nor we cannot control you. Say what you will. (Just don't touch me) LOL

He's YOUR pillar, not mine.

Well said/written ;)

You're comparing Thurmond to someone's "dead grandfather"? WTF? How does that even measure up?

Secondly, when someone "we like," whomever he/she may be, dies, then come on over and say whatever it is you like. Hey, maybe we can do the same thing that you all did and DELETE THE POSTS! Wouldn't that be great?

Thirdly, I can only speak for myself, though I can support the comments of others that have posted here or otherwise on the topic, but nothing "bad" was said about your "Brother Thurmond". Most of the comments were THE TRUTH! Was he not a segregationist? Was he not a racist? Did he not do the absolute least possible in terms of integration, equality, etc. when he decided to "change"?

Just like it took your brother damn near 50 years to "change" his views, holla back at me in 2053 and see how it has turned out.

Thanks for stopping by!! Come back soon!

FWIW, here's a GREAT thread from MetaFilter.com on Ol' Stromy:
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/26659

(I've given up on the Chit Chat thread about him and thought I'd post it where it would be appreciated.) ;)

How old is Jesse now? I had forgotten about him when I was thinking about dead segregationists.

I am really glad that everyone's holding it down here in AKA-land. No one over in CC wants to talk about, or even remember, the reign of terror ol' Stromboy had going on for decades in the South (love that revisionist history!), but it cannot be denied. Even though in my recent memory, Strom has been basically a joke, we cannot forget how terrible a person he was in the 1950s and so on. It's not just racial stuff, either--the man was a chauvinist pig, even up to his last term in Congress.

Nothing bad has been said yet, like Refined Diva said--just the truth. If you can't handle the truth...

In the words of Monteria Ivey, host of HBO's 1995 "game show" SNAPS
 

....Shame on your black [behind]

I certainly don't cheer at anyone's grief or hardache and truly wish no one harm, but do people REALLY expect someone to feel sadness toward someone who obviously meant them no good?? Would you chastise (sp?) a rape victim for not shedding a tear when her rapist dies?? Of course not. Folks want to mae-like ol' Strom had a change of heart. Do you remember how he treated Carol Mosley Braun when she joined the Senate?? That was NOT that long ago. Oh, and the argument about him hiring someone black... Hate to give you this newsflash, but they have been "hiring" us for years..... Sometimes we were paid, and sometimes we were not :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Must...fight..to..control...fingers....

Must...not...go...to...chit chat......

Really though, I'm not. I already KNOW what I'd be reading and why waste my time feeling bad that all those people still dont want to acknowledge that black people are human beings?

I am with you guys. Good riddance. Hope he brought a fan. Maybe they'll give him one with MLK at the gates.

A girlfriend of mine (who is white) posted this on another board I belong to:

That is some http://www.spacespider.net/emo/sign_funnyshit.gif

That is messed up what your girl said but funny in its own way.

I did not like the man regardless of what he stood for and I will leave it at that. I also don't have time to wish evil on his soul because I don't want nobody to with evil on me, regardless whether anybody like me or not. At the same time, I'm not going to put him on no pedestal either. I don't have time to argue with folks anyway.

Oh no I don't wish evil on his soul either...just thought it was hilarious

So THAT'S why America is so shaky...we had Strom as a pillar!

How did he SHOW CHANGE?

Who is "someone like [us]"? Let me know. Are you "someone like Strom"? If so, I find that sad.

I just think it is funny the way people are acting over there like they have NEVER said anything bad about a dead person. So I guess we all must respect Jeffery Dahmer's memory. He is dead, so of course we mustn't speak ill of him! :rolleyes:

Hitler did great things for his nation as well...but he also did some *bad* things. You don't hear people in Germany saying "Shh!! Don't speak ill of him, he is dead!" Come on now. It is yet another case of pople trying to silence views simply because they don't agree with them. VERY common in chit chat.

I will 110% agree with this one!

As for the Jesse Helms comments -- we used to have these two morning dj's on one of the popular R&B stations who were so freakin' funny -- they would do this weekly bit where "Jesse" supposedly would call in. Of course whomever was doing his voice was HILARIOUS and would add in just enough of the overkill on the Southern drawl to make it so funny you thought you'd have a wreck while driving. Well everytime they would be "ending" the conversation, you'd hear a buzzer go off in the background and then Jesse would say (think overkill Southern drawl voice now...) "Oh, I got to go - the sheets must be dry" and you'd hear the phone hang up -- every week you knew it was coming, and every week I would still have to pull the car over so I could quit laughing long enough to get to work! Anyway, they stopped doing it a couple years back and I really do miss it because every week you knew you'd be having to go to the ladies room and re-do the eye makeup!

As for the CC forum - I think more than anything, the summer heat has gotten to a lot of us! I'll admit that several people on GC have been all fired up over this or that (not the thread this or that though ;) ) every day for the past few weeks (guilty!). I think that once the "shouting" begins, that many of us are guilty for not being able to fully comprehend the meaning behind others posts. Now I am not saying that this is always the case - I am simply trying to say that once the emotions heat up, that in many instances the point is lost.

Y'all have a good day on the Ave!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!;) :D

Thanks for stopping by, AXO Alum!

I understand what you mean about the posts. Everyone is always in such a heat to make their own points that they don't take time to comprehend what everyone is saying. However, it seems as though everytime "we" or whomever else tries to come in to the perfect "homeostasis" that is known as Chit Chat, most people jump on the defensive. "We" do not come over to stur up trouble or make everything a "race issue," as we are so frequently charged with doing. We simply want to state a point-of-view from the "other side of the tracks." Since we are stating comments that do not conform to the norm, then we are censored and accused of trying to start "race wars" and whatnot.

We just want some people on GC to open their eyes and realize that WE ARE HERE! Stop trying to blend everyone into on perfect little non-colored/one-colored package. God created us as such. Some people need to stop trying to devalue our experience as Black Americans and take what we say into consideration. Even though, here on GC, it seems like A LOT to ask. However, it will continue to be put out there becaus eit deserves to be heard... UNCUT AND UNCENSORED!

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!

hello, sorry to invade your board.

I did not know he had a black daughter. Did he marry/sleep with a black woman? Was she adopted? Can someone fill me in with the details? Thanks :)

Anyways, thanks for starting this thread. The one over in chit chat was annoying me. :rolleyes:

Here's the link from the thread that was on DST Blvd

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...Strom+Thurmond

I guess that this is the problem where some people expect to draw lines in the dirt and say that its either this way or that way, but not both. Like the AA thread -- I mean, sure, AA can have a very positive effect, or a very negative effect -- it all depends on HOW it is used. Unfortunately, someone says blahblahblah about it, and then the next thing you know, a flame war has erupted. You know, I used to never go on CC -- I did recently for something, and ended up finding out REAL quick that its prolly not the best place for me. I have too many "gray" areas on my views of things, that people (especially there) expect to be either white or black (as in colors on the chart -- not skin tones).

I think that a big problem regarding race, color of skin, what-have-you, is that people only KNOW what they have experienced in life. So if Sally has only lived her 20 years of life knowing that people in her school are white, black, green, and red -- she really has no experience with the fact that just a few years prior to that, that people who weren't white weren't even allowed in school! The same applies for my friend who was the first black girl to attend public school -- even now, all these years later, she cannot get over the fact that not all people are trying to get her (I included somewhere the story where she parked in a maternity parking space in the mall - she isn't pregnant and has no small kids - and said that she was parking there because she knew that it wasn't really for pregnant people, but rather so that the mall officials could keep black folks from parking up front! -- Yes, she can get carried away!) I can totally sympathize with the stories she tells about being spit on and hit in the halls -- and that is a TERRIBLE thing that NO ONE should have to live through -- but she also needs to realize that parking spots aren't designated that way!

Some people also can't look past race to know that you can talk about things regarding race, without always having to make a war about it -- this goes for black and white folks!

If there was a perfect world out there then we could all share our stories and experiences and really learn from each other -- but that isn't the case, and unfortunately, you get people on a touchy subject, and somebody somewhere is going to go overboard with it! Then people are dumb enough (okay, using that loosely) to agitate it knowing that they aren't going to get anywhere with it! Next thing you know....BOOM....Chit (Chat) happens -- heehee, okay, so they just come to me! :D

Thanks for the link :)

You brought up some very interesting points that I am glad you shared. :D (And I agree. Your friend is just a tad bit extreme!)Yes, some people (all races included) don't know how to see past their own race and their life experiences. The problems arise, however, when those people totally shut themselves off from even hearing, let alone learning, about others. We all need to learn how to take the experiences and lives of others into consideration.

I think not living in a perfect world makes some of us stronger and more eager to share and serve our communities in a means to, at least, reach one person. Some people are going to be who they are and constantly create controversy. Oh well. As long as there a few open-minded people in the world that understand or are willing to learn, then some of our "rants" are not in vain.

Ladies, I've just read through this thread and found some terribly interesting responses. I know that I will be reflecting on many of the comments for weeks to come. I'm mindful of the response that one of Sally Hemings' descendants made upon being asked if she attended the meeting of Thomas Jefferson's descendants in hopes of being asked to join, to which she responded (and I paraphrase), "I know I have the right to be here. I wanted to see if this is an organization to which I choose to belong!" Even as I type that, I worry that it may be inappropriate, and if I've offended, please forgive me.

All I can add to this is a hearty AMEN!

Strom Thurmond
 

His name was Lester Maddox.

I am glad to see so many have crossed as AKA2D called the "RR tracks" to discuss the passing of Strom Thurmond.


I was not as enlightened about Strom like others were so thanks to those of you who enlightened about Strom's politics. I do remember the infamous telephone book session though.

I value good, intelligent discussion where ideas are presented and even if you disagree, you still come away having gained further insight or information without name calling and insulting comments being exchanged.

:)

i just wanted to stop by and "salute" the women who have tried to give more than just one perspective over on the cc board.

i think that what you said probably made some readers take time to think about the history behind thurmond... i know that you've helped to educate me :) ... the little i recalled from my high school american history class was a vague picture of the man involving his filibuster, but i didn't put two and two together on the reasoning behind it...

learning to consider various perspectives and wading through opinions is something that is difficult for many people, especially when they have limited experience. the more often you push others to do so, you *are* helping to end the backwards thinking and ignorance that still exists, even if you encounter some narrow minds (or um, strongly opinionated people, or whatnot) on the way...

so anyways, like i was saying, thanks for speaking up and knowing that it was important to do so, more than to just watch :)

ROFL!!!! Maybe MLK will pass it to him and say C'ya!

I'm not evn going to go over to chit chat and read that mess.

I would also like to hop on the RefinedDiva and Bamboozled love train. It takes a lot of confidence and courage to go against the current, especially when it comes to sensitive topics such as politics, religion, and race relations. I really respect that.

Do you think it's possible that he really did change? I mean, Malcolm had a change in ideology as well as Minister Farrakhan. I'm not putting Strom Thurmond in the same league as Malcolm or Minister Farrakhan (don't revoke my ghetto pass just yet!), I'm just saying maybe he really did have a change of heart?

Can anyone from SC enlighten me? Thanks.

Oh yeah, I was over in the Chit Chat area, and it's vicious over there man! Straight gangsta!

I just turned to the funeral for a minute and people are talking, laughing, joking, and whatnot. Not one person looks sad or broken up. Is it just me? Did I catch a bad clip? I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it...

Change?
 

I am in SC right now and everyone is soooo sad, all over the news saying how great Strom Thurmond has been to SC. Puhleeze, I remember not to long ago, they asked Thurmond if he was still racist and he said "No, I swim everyday." Huh, WTF?

Now his daughter, she is his not adopted. And he did take care of her. He claimed her, visited her at school, paid for college, and took care of her financially. But he has more than one black child, I just can't remember the details.

I must say, though, as racist as he was, Strom loved Black women. When I was in high school, we went to the capital and he was all over the Black girls-hugging, "mistakenly" touching them. Just makes you wonder...

Well, I am off to CC to see how wonderful Strom was:rolleyes: ...

Re: Change?
 

That's not surprising. It falls in line with the American paradigm of Black women being "the seductress" who "white men can't resist." Just like slave times when this excuse was used by white men who raped our mothers, daughters, and sisters. Even today we continue to be seen for our physical attributes instead of our minds. Evidence: The Williams' sisters who get talked about for their "beauty" and "power" rather than their skill. Beautiful and power, sounds kind of like how one refers to animals to me. Hmmm...

http://slate.msn.com/id/2085087/

Here's an article, with links to others, about Strom's daughter. The editorial cartoon linked at the end is right in line with the discussion...

From his hometown....
 

I am from Aiken, SC, his hometown.
Went to high school with his daughter (oh yeah, old dude was still strokin at like 70 something).

I knew it wouldn't be long after he retired that he would kick the bucket. Now, I will give him this... he was a politician. He said what was popular at the time. At the time, to get elected in SC, he had to be a segregationist. There is a longstanding rumor that he has a black daughter that he actually put through school and took better care of than most fathers take care of their illegitimate kids today. I've read the article, and knowing my hometown... I believe it!

I don't think he's the devil at all. I think that he did what he had to do to stay in office. Was he still preaching that segregationsist stuff after desegrigation? No. That would have been unpopular. He protected his job, and put on the good ol' boy face that would see that he remained in office. Was what he did right? Of course not. But I know people who have done even less noble things to keep their jobs. How many of us can say we've been at the same job for that long? Not many... because like him, we'd probably have to sell our souls to do it.

Just giving the unpopular opinion. Remember, no hate mail please, I am sensitive....

Re: From his hometown....
 

WE are not terrorists (unlike others on GC). Here, no one sends hate mail or deletes posts simply for opposite opinions. I respect what you say and I like to hear from all sides of the spectrum. Of course, some people see him as a "devil," as some of us just see him as someone who will say and do whatever it takes to get what he wants. Some of us are guilty of doing that at one time or another. I think that the overall consensus is that he did horrible things in terms of keeping minorities down. Sometimes, those deep wounds are hard to heal...

Either way, he has to face the demons of his past now. Who knows? All these people that claim to be racists or segregationists may get a rude awakening if the head honchos in Heaven are Black.... :D

ya know....i read this whole thread and this is the most interesting view point i've read yet, honestly. i was on chit chat, and i saw the heat......just like to stress again that i don't believe that strom was a saint, either.....i personally just didn't think that was the particular place to bash someone who had just died. everyone just started out wanting their share of respect for their feelings, and it didn't really happen.

and the listings of all that he voted yes and no on.....real eye opener for me. i'll be the first to admit, i don't always know everything about everything.....i hope everyone on here, though, was able to recognize those who were being out of control on there, and who was not telling anyone to mourn, but just be a tad more respectful.....and that i came across how i wanted to!

but anyway.....i think maybe he was partly only trying to keep his job...ya gotta change with the times....so who knows.